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'Spicy Cheese & Saxon Axe'
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daddy fingaz
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Yo Doc mans post wos written in jest, Sarcasm fingaz style! but yes my apologies big buddha cheese is wot was meant, how dare u miss lead mans into thinking it was a cross of uk original cheese, call trading standards!!!
anyways moving on.... LGA crew stand easy!!
relax and lean back!!
anyways moving on.... LGA crew stand easy!!
relax and lean back!!
gp....please tell me what the problem is bro......doc said saxon axe is....NL pheno crossed with "one of" the sensi srar phenos from paradise....
everything is dependant on sorced knolage and that is allways going to be debated.....trying to pick apart NL down to the T is allmost imposible...SS is fucked!
buddahs cheese is almost easy!!....and shanti can provide sorce`s for his contribution to spicy cheese!!
i know you guys wont stop the clash of personalitys but whats wrong with the details??
everything is dependant on sorced knolage and that is allways going to be debated.....trying to pick apart NL down to the T is allmost imposible...SS is fucked!
buddahs cheese is almost easy!!....and shanti can provide sorce`s for his contribution to spicy cheese!!
i know you guys wont stop the clash of personalitys but whats wrong with the details??
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Ganja Pasha said:
What by the CIA perhaps? Who at the time were supporting the Mujahideen (those who struggle) in NWFP Pakistan / N.E. Afghanistan...against the Soviets,,, in the land of the Pushtu.
Sure Mazar market in the West is a point of contact for all,,, Pashtun, poor Hazarr farmers from the south, and those rich Uzbek traders from the North. The hash-grade cannabis seed came from further out N.E ,,from the valleys of the Hindu 'Kush'. The traditional stronghold of the Pastun Afghan farmer.
Pashtun is a tribal term,, try not to let it confuse your western mind :wink:
Uzbek and Pakistani Varieties would arrive later during the Soviet occupation (c.1980's)... when x2 Dutch travellers made way into the same region on a white horse. (Ben Dronkers perhaps?) So did Jason Elliot. other than this few westerners travelled to Afghanistan during that time. Other than warriors.. Kabul was held under gun-fire!!
If you don't like what's happening here hempy,, you know where the door is!
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Next thing he'll be telling us Saxon Axe isn't 'Afghan' .. lmfao 
so why do the leaf blades hold blue edges ?
"You can fool some people sometimes, but ya can't fool all the people all the time."
edit: hempy,, I's nah mean to be rude,, but we've grown more cannabis plants than you've had hot dinners !!
so why do the leaf blades hold blue edges ?
"You can fool some people sometimes, but ya can't fool all the people all the time."
edit: hempy,, I's nah mean to be rude,, but we've grown more cannabis plants than you've had hot dinners !!
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Bullshit, the CIA didn't go to Afghanistan until 1980, Sam was there in 71, and guys like Mendocino/Romulan Joe and Maple Leaf Wilson were working with indica seeds in the early 70s, long before the Soviet invasion and the CIA getting involved. How did Perry make Big Sur Holyweed by crossing an Afghan to a Mexican in 1964-5 if Afghan genes didn't appear till much later?
Broad leaves doesn't necessarily indicate Afghani origins either, you should know that!
if you left the word bulshit out of your last post bro this could be a good discution.....im not getting at you gp...are you not the more acurate person??
sure big sur hollyweed utalised indica way way back.....an even sam is finding it hard to retrace the afgan in the pre sweetend skunk....remember roadkill is hard to find. still
doc made good points too.....with a little more cooperation an a little less antaganistic behaviour from both sides this would be grate to read and learn from...
one thing you guys have in comon is you are both teachers to me!!.....i take the best from both of you and bring them together.....please continue to do this even if you cant fully cooperate fully ....but if you did id be even more gratefull....
there is allot of truth to what doc said about the afgan lands.....i have batarn friends who probbly will confirm it.....we cant be sure but its nice to try...an i think docs not doing such a bad job at trying.....you cant say he dont have a passion gp .....from now on il try to make statement that are imposible for you to dissagree with gp.....i know you would like that bro...lol..no offence
a nice kush haze old scool long bud..for you to chill with
sure big sur hollyweed utalised indica way way back.....an even sam is finding it hard to retrace the afgan in the pre sweetend skunk....remember roadkill is hard to find. still
doc made good points too.....with a little more cooperation an a little less antaganistic behaviour from both sides this would be grate to read and learn from...
one thing you guys have in comon is you are both teachers to me!!.....i take the best from both of you and bring them together.....please continue to do this even if you cant fully cooperate fully ....but if you did id be even more gratefull....
there is allot of truth to what doc said about the afgan lands.....i have batarn friends who probbly will confirm it.....we cant be sure but its nice to try...an i think docs not doing such a bad job at trying.....you cant say he dont have a passion gp .....from now on il try to make statement that are imposible for you to dissagree with gp.....i know you would like that bro...lol..no offence
a nice kush haze old scool long bud..for you to chill with
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The CIA were operational in Afghanistan during the 1970's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f630AeqxLwE
Pathan -
'For over 250 years, they reigned as the dominant ethnic group in Afghanistan ...
...with populations primarily in eastern and southern Afghanistan and in the North-West Frontier Province, Federally Administered Tribal Areas and Balochistan provinces of western Pakistan...
...Starting in the late 1970s, many Pashtuns joined the Mujahideen opposition against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. '
Definition:
'Pashtuns are predominantly an Eastern Iranian people who are speakers of the Pashto language and live in a contiguous geographic location across Pakistan and Afghanistan. This is the generally accepted academic view.'
Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f630AeqxLwE
Pathan -
'For over 250 years, they reigned as the dominant ethnic group in Afghanistan ...
...with populations primarily in eastern and southern Afghanistan and in the North-West Frontier Province, Federally Administered Tribal Areas and Balochistan provinces of western Pakistan...
...Starting in the late 1970s, many Pashtuns joined the Mujahideen opposition against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. '
Definition:
'Pashtuns are predominantly an Eastern Iranian people who are speakers of the Pashto language and live in a contiguous geographic location across Pakistan and Afghanistan. This is the generally accepted academic view.'
Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtun
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daddy fingaz
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hopefully thats cleared a few things up.
hopefully we can now move on and enjoy this thread.
nice to see that your keeping the pics flowing and the plants flowering Doc!
hopefully we can now move on and enjoy this thread.
nice to see that your keeping the pics flowing and the plants flowering Doc!
Mans pon dem ends are,,, 1st Pashtun ,, 2nd Afghan ,, then later religious.
The soil beneath and the blood within always defines true identity!
Red vein stem and leaf joints often show up in lineage.
So does funnelling at the base of the leaf-blades which stand out in a lighter pigment (with less chlorophyll) in these photos:
This funnelling system pools water pon leaf,, and often runs into the leaf-stems. Rock Bud ( www.somaseeds.nl/seeds/rockbud ) grown on NFT SCROG, would be a good example,, characteristically with her pronounced 'U' shaped fan stalks which ran down into the main stems... she was best ran on low humidity,, with care to remove any heavily overlapping fan-leaf :wink:
Funnelling is a plant mechanism that has exist to collect rainfall. moisture / water within the arid environment of the Hindu Kush range / region since long time,, feeding under only 14cm average annual rainfall per year (including snow)!! This method of water allocation and distribution from the leaf is typical within the of shorter Cannabis Afghanica varieties*. This is one reason we reduce water to limited feeds and keep humidity low when growing Pashtun strains in the garden..
Then again sometimes we just take the chance to really display how adapt to mountainous climates Pashtun based genetics really are,, "hardy" is the word you are looking for
These pashtuns will handle temps as low as -10c overnight (yeah that's a block of ice
)
Peace out all
dLeaf
* taller sativa strains naturally tend to funnel water / rainfall away from the main stem into the surrounding laterals,, to help prevent molds forming in the flowers in the more humid conditions of the tropics. :wink:
The soil beneath and the blood within always defines true identity!
Red vein stem and leaf joints often show up in lineage.
So does funnelling at the base of the leaf-blades which stand out in a lighter pigment (with less chlorophyll) in these photos:
This funnelling system pools water pon leaf,, and often runs into the leaf-stems. Rock Bud ( www.somaseeds.nl/seeds/rockbud ) grown on NFT SCROG, would be a good example,, characteristically with her pronounced 'U' shaped fan stalks which ran down into the main stems... she was best ran on low humidity,, with care to remove any heavily overlapping fan-leaf :wink:
Funnelling is a plant mechanism that has exist to collect rainfall. moisture / water within the arid environment of the Hindu Kush range / region since long time,, feeding under only 14cm average annual rainfall per year (including snow)!! This method of water allocation and distribution from the leaf is typical within the of shorter Cannabis Afghanica varieties*. This is one reason we reduce water to limited feeds and keep humidity low when growing Pashtun strains in the garden..
Then again sometimes we just take the chance to really display how adapt to mountainous climates Pashtun based genetics really are,, "hardy" is the word you are looking for
These pashtuns will handle temps as low as -10c overnight (yeah that's a block of ice
) Peace out all
dLeaf
* taller sativa strains naturally tend to funnel water / rainfall away from the main stem into the surrounding laterals,, to help prevent molds forming in the flowers in the more humid conditions of the tropics. :wink:
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il say it before gp does!!...lol...wicipidia is not the best sorce...but yeh doc i think your right about the history!...
how would you acurately define a modern baced afgan??....the area`s for farmers are close enough for people to transport seeds...and the afgan has been farmed for longer than history tells...an like doc said hippys have made the trek for years....
one thing everyone know`s for sure is the axe`s genetics came in contact with 1 or 2 wide leaf genes....and doc aint that bad gp...if you cant tolerate doc you are going to hate me, because people say im untolarable...doc bares with me and my imature ways...please have the same goodness!!..an make this thread a goodun
how would you acurately define a modern baced afgan??....the area`s for farmers are close enough for people to transport seeds...and the afgan has been farmed for longer than history tells...an like doc said hippys have made the trek for years....
one thing everyone know`s for sure is the axe`s genetics came in contact with 1 or 2 wide leaf genes....and doc aint that bad gp...if you cant tolerate doc you are going to hate me, because people say im untolarable...doc bares with me and my imature ways...please have the same goodness!!..an make this thread a goodun
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im buzzin from the block of ice.....that shit needs to be incrossed into an ibl with a AutoFlower...get that shit outdoors ..uk style...
mother fucin crap outdoor hybrids....fucin piss me off bro!...lol...im crap at outdoor at the mo
mother fucin crap outdoor hybrids....fucin piss me off bro!...lol...im crap at outdoor at the mo
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It is very important to recognise that some of the shorter, faster flowering genetics where introduced into the area during the late 70's and early 1980's by way of support,, from Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Pakistan (and possibly Iranian) sources,, carried in by resistance fighters, including European and finally veteran Russian defectors who joined the Mujahideen also.
The motivation behind cultivation,, at that time,, was to produce a high-turn-over hashish crop from seed (double cropping) , in order to procure small-arms at market in Peswar... by barter system.
Sam the Skunkman has long since educated me into the notion that he never personally witnessed wild populations of cannabis during his travels in the region and that patches were cultivated or tended to by way of hand.
Feral populations of cannabis sativa did however exists within the region, during the soviet occupation. see Jason Elliot : 'An unexpected Light - Travels in Afghanistan' . Just as they still do in present day Bhutan and Nepal.
Hope this helps...
The motivation behind cultivation,, at that time,, was to produce a high-turn-over hashish crop from seed (double cropping) , in order to procure small-arms at market in Peswar... by barter system.
Sam the Skunkman has long since educated me into the notion that he never personally witnessed wild populations of cannabis during his travels in the region and that patches were cultivated or tended to by way of hand.
Feral populations of cannabis sativa did however exists within the region, during the soviet occupation. see Jason Elliot : 'An unexpected Light - Travels in Afghanistan' . Just as they still do in present day Bhutan and Nepal.
Hope this helps...
so the short quick heavy tric afgan has never been whitnessed growing wild??....i can believe it too! small wide leaf cannabis is usaly found in alaska and places like that...maybe russian seeds found there way long before the soviets did ...is it posible the quick wide leaf afgan is the oldest man made hybrid in the biz...not like im clever or anything...lol
how do you define a modern baced afgan ??
how do you define a modern baced afgan ??
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its crazy in the afgan.....guns for hash sounds about right!....
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'All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost;
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.'
The Fellowship of The Ring : Tolkien
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost;
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.'
The Fellowship of The Ring : Tolkien
what do you mean doc??.....sorry if im posting too much!...i know some of my last posts are not some of my best
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englishrick said:
Inaccurately. But we'll have a go
The mainstream commercial base of Afghan genetics mans n gals are growing from mostly come from a few selected cultigens that were worked with in the Netherlands during the 1980's and 1990's.
Afghan #1 - is an Afghan plant.
Master Kush - is an Afghan / Kush
Maple Leaf Indica - is an Afghan Hindu Kush.
Afghan Hindu Skunk - is Afghan / Kush
Skunk #1 - a predominantly Afghan type plant.
Northern Lights - Afghan x Thai
For example:
Big Bud ; Critical Mass, Hollands Hope ; Mazar ; Outsider ; Super Skunk ; and Warlock - are ALL Afghan x Skunk plants. Countless other Skunk x Afghan varieties still exist in NL.
Alas much (not all) of the present seed labeled "Afghan" in Europe (or Afghani* in the Americas) is based on a limited number of parent plants. This has formed a bottle-necked population of Afghan cultigens in growers hands... like race horses.
Different Afghan / Kush genetics do exist within the underground breeding community,, with several heirloom varieties being maintained (see Raco, Zamalito, et al.) and often inbred. The degree to which these strains are represented within available/commercial seed lots , is however still limited. Pine Tar Kush is out there!
Big Buddha claims to have sourced his male "Kali" plant from Afghan origin, in this sense the commercial Afghan gene-pool has more recently been added to., although BBC is just another Skunk #1 x Afghan.
Recent interest/investment/corruption in the Afghan Hindu Kush region will no doubt witness a new wave of Afghan genetics travelling West. Hopefully the pashtun based stock in peoples gardens can take another hit in the right direction.
Diaspora suggests she's still heading West... :wink:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIHBUGvAUMo
Hope this helps,
* Afghani = a unit of Afghan currency.
Afghan = something or someone from Afghanistan.
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