'Spicy Cheese & Saxon Axe'

[DocLeaf]

"Pre-Soviet" Afghani Question - http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=27439&highlight=Afghanistan

(one of the best threads on the internet ^^^ )

and

Afghanistan extra reading - http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=50885&highlight=Afghanistan

 

[englishrick]

yeh man...raco is a top guy for sure....all credit to raco an his eye for unique quality!!....im listening to advice from him on my spain project!!...hes got wickid insite

so do you think the quick afghan is a man made outdoor hybrid...or something like that??...thanks for the tip on how to spell afghan...il remember it for life!!

 

[englishrick]

im reading them links now....thanks doc.....your a saint to bare with me!!

 

[DocLeaf]

rick , we each bring our own ethnocentric believes to the table. The real skill lays in being able to recognise our own believes, as well as others, while not becoming abstracted by them.

I n I break bread with mans from all nations,,, from Lionheart to Pathan... mee nah base the consciousness of reality pon religion, colour, nor creed. For these are social constructs made by babylon. Culture is what interests us..

Peace, Peace, Peace

 

[englishrick]

a little info on me... im jewish .....my mum is with a muslim...my sister is muslim, she does namars before bed....there is only kosher food in there house....i speak hebrew..im almost fluent in a language called pahrie used by the people who live in the mountains in kashmire...only because 80% of the people i grew up with talk in pahrie and sometimes you need to knowwhat there saying...some people thinks im afgani...they want to take me over and try to pass me off as one...lol

im respected from rabi to mulvi....i eat jurk chicken rice an pea at least twice a week...the owner and his kids are personal friends who i trust as family,an do business with on a daily basis....chapati most other days...an maybe a shabat meal on a friday if the rabi hunts me down..lol...he allways finds me chatin to the lubervich kids....some of my mates are thai boxing enthuseasts/masters....etc...

i just take people as they are... and try to make money... an have fun...i think ive been totaly desenceatised to this race stuff...i just laugh at the stereotypes

i work with the karma game!!....put + in - get + out....push the - out the equation....i try get the worlds equation working for me!!....i try ...i try for everyone i love.....i try for love

 

[englishrick]

let the quality of taste bring us together.....

 

[Guest]

There are still landraces in Afghanistan, as Vavilov and Clarke both observed, the indigenous cannabis population of Afghanistan are tall, thin-leaved sativas similar to those found inNepal, Tibet, etc. Vavilov wrote that the wild saitvas were to be found at higher elevations above the cultivated fields of hash varieties in the lower valley.

All the short, broad-leaved hash cultivars in Afghanistan are introduced from the East, they are descended from broad-leaved Chinese Hemp from Yunnan and travelled along the silk road.

Sam has stated that the Afghan gene pool has gone through hell since the Soviet invasion and the carefully maintained hash varetials have become interbred with the wild sativas and potency, resin, structure and other key traits have been altered, Sam is adamant the present Afghan genepool has been irreprably damaged since 1979.

mriko and ngakpa are the guys to ask about what's being farmed in Northern India and Pakistan these days, and they have many pics of wild plants, check em out, they certainly ain't the 'Hindu Death Cabbage' type hash varieties we think of when talking abotu Afghan cultivars.

Skunk #1 - a predominantly Afghan type plant.

Skunk is not predominantly Afghan at all, it's predominantly sativa, Cheese being a classic example of this, it's a sweet sativa dom hybrid with minimal Afghan traits (Sam bred them out).

Maple Leaf Indica - is an Afghan Hindu Kush.

No it's not, it's a 3-way hybrid of 3 different lines collected by the late, great Maple Leaf Wilson, and Sensi used to acknowledge this in their old catalogues. Sometime in the late 90s they changed their tune and said it was called Maple Leaf because it had huge, broad leaves like a Maple tree. The old MLI up till about 2001 was awesome, today it's generic and not a patch on the old one. That's because what Sensi purchased from Mr Wilson was shit-hot, a real labour of love by one of the most significant collectors of Afghan genes. Through bad practices and inbreeding, they have ruined it, but that's true of many of their strains.

Northern Lights - Afghan x Thai

The original cut from Washington that was brought to Holland was, but all the NL seedlines are different and there are several, so NL today is a polyhybrid and the Afghan component long mixed with other genes.

There are still lots of traditional Afghan/Kush type cultivars around, I have at least 15 in my stash. Off the top of my head, these all exist:

Pine Tar Kush - Tom Hill
Deep Chunk - Tom Hill
X-18 - Tom Hill
Old World Paki - Tom Hill
Pahari Farmhouse - ngakpa collection
Mazar-i-Sharif - ngakpa collection
Malana - ngakpa collection
Dark Kush - Bluehemp Seeds
Pakistani - Bluehemp Seeds

Bubba Kush is probably a pheno of an old Afghan line, Chemdawg is probably either an Afghan or an Afghan hybrid, there are others too.

There is still good stuff to be found in Afghanistan, but collecting it is a different matter, certainly the recent pictures of cultivated crops show that they are probably not growing their traditional cultivars anymore, the plants look suspiciously like hybrids. Would not surprise me at all if a lot of commercial genes are now being cultivated in the region by the organised cash croppers, we know for a fact that the Mexican and Colombian gangs sent people to Amsterdam to purchase lots of seeds, no reason why the Afghans couldn't have done the same.

The best places to find old cultivars and unpolluted indica landraces would be the former Soviet states such as Uzbekistan, Tadjikistan etc. But with the proliferation of organised crime in the post-Soviet era, not a good region to visit. It was always said that the very finest quality charas came from Yarkand, and I bet if you were to travel to Yarkand, Samarkand etc. and travelled the countryside meeting locals in isolated villages, you would still find this legendary charas, but the criminal gangs handle the hashish trade these days and most of the hash produced is then adulterated somewhere on it's journey through Mother Russia to the west.

Charlie Garcia and others rave about their Uzbeki, and the variety of phenos it produces, I'm much more interested in unpolluted landraces and heirlooms these days, as the commercial genepool, by and large, is played out and needs new blood desperately. There is very little of superlative quality or unusual nature to be found in the offerings from the big seedbanks these days, it's all tired, homogenised genes as they have spent far too long shuffling the pack of genes they already had.

Still quality to be found in Afghanistan:

Recent pictures of Afghan crops:

Balkh Province, 2007:

 

[DocLeaf]

Nice post Hempy

Perhaps we should have said that the Skunk #1 that breeders tend to use / isolate is often a predominantly Afghan type plant,, in visual performance at least,, maybe not in overall resin profile and heritage.

Depends on definition but Colombian and Mexican plants are what we'd call 'sativa' plants ,, Skunk is usually a more compact plant and so we'd say it was indica/sativa. Which semantically are just generic terms anyhow...

.. the word heirloom isn't generic

This here Cheese for example , when clone n grown early the Afghan traits are often less visible to observe... but when grown to maturity Cheese soon reverts back to type and starts producing those big fat fan-leaf.. Pashtun style.

Cheese Bubble hash really reminds me of some of the better Afghan we got back in 1990,, which makes us think this character is also carried through in the resin profile -




Most of the Uzbek hashish (and afghan) ends up in former Eastern Block countries these days,, we hear krakow (Poland) has a great underground jazz scene and some nice hashish

Peace out

 

[DocLeaf]

Saxon Axe and lineage... Saxon Axe was founded from a modern base of commercial Dutch seed strains. Both parent plants came from co-operative seed companies. The Northern Light mother was selected on grounds of health, the Sensi Star male on vigor and fate. (Big up Shinobi @ LGA).

The parent seed came from co-operative seed outlets,,, n the identity of the exact breeders remains unknown,, and quite irrelevant to any debate. The seeds were free The lineage that they produced were healthy donated online n offline for free Mainly as a reaction to the downing of overgrow.com

Pashtun identity... We use the word 'Pashtun' in the colloquial sense ; as a sign of respect ; to mark the spirit and passion of the farmers that part of the plant originally came from; and the traits we are still working with

The culture of the cultigens at hand... is what makes this strain a real Pasthun. Saxon Axe will grow in almost ANY environment !! Handles mites and dramatic over-feeds.. I's just waiting on feed-back from the mediterranean to see if she likes arid salty climates,, otherwise this baby is good to grow anyplace coco, soil, nft, hydro, inside, and loves outside growing in N. Europe



If um have some seeds, then plant a little and watch them grow! She has plenty Saxon spirit,, trust!!

 

[DocLeaf]

Axe clone,, lower node.



Felt like gringo..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sAVpxJxsCE

 

[englishrick]

wow....... them pic`s were special GP

i loved that post!!.........big respect

you have so much to offer GP.....please keep givin

 

[daddy fingaz]

that guy on the right has got the 'thousand yard stare' for sure!!!

 

[daddy fingaz]

Recent pictures of Afghan crops:

fcuk wrong pic haha !!

 

[daddy fingaz]

poor fella dont look to happy!!

 

[englishrick]

the guy in front is thinkin ....i cant believe im with this bunch of wankers...what a waste of good pot

 

[daddy fingaz]

i think the guy 3rd from the back is lookin down thinking ' F*ck me am i in heaven here or hell' !! haha!

 

[englishrick]

hes lookin at the weed like hes in rocky 4....the guy behind him is defo a happy chappy

 

[englishrick]

#number 2#.....#broke back mountain#

 

[daddy fingaz]

..yeah he probly just shot a brit !!

 

[satty]

Those fine men are British or Canadian soldiers.
There holding the REAL fort while so many U.S. soldiers are
in the wrong place.
What a mess.