-
As of today ICMag has his own Discord server. In this Discord server you can chat, talk with eachother, listen to music, share stories and pictures...and much more. Join now and let's grow together! Join ICMag Discord here! More details in this thread here: here.
SOUR DUBBLE INFO THREAD
- Thread starter Hammerhead
- Start date
Last edited:
finally got one in flower, she was looking alot nicer in veg but when i flipped her she got a little hungry on the straight maxi diet. Not looking near as nice as the pics in here but its my first time with her and im blessed to be able to smoke some here in a few!
Dansbuds GB BX1 #8 on the left, sour dubb on the right in the back, had to raise em both up because the gg4 in the foreground out grew wm good ha! Just hitting her with some epsom foliar to keep her decent while she shoots, another week of stretch... Shes hungry and my defol made her hungrier hehe... I'll get her dialed in a bit more next time for sure.
Dansbuds GB BX1 #8 on the left, sour dubb on the right in the back, had to raise em both up because the gg4 in the foreground out grew wm good ha! Just hitting her with some epsom foliar to keep her decent while she shoots, another week of stretch... Shes hungry and my defol made her hungrier hehe... I'll get her dialed in a bit more next time for sure.
that top nug looks like ecsd or sour diesel
The person who took those pics also did a smoke report. He said she was all Sour Diesel.
The S2 Seeds should be done on 6/1. That will be 45 days from pollination.
The S2 Seeds should be done on 6/1. That will be 45 days from pollination.
B
BAKED_BEANZ
love the work hammer . good shit .
HH
Darealkingjames
Member
Hammerhead SourDubb s1 on the way to me and can't wait to get them cracked and going. Anything as good as his s1 keeper will make me a very happy man. Thanks for putting them out there bro
Lunaesverde
Member
S2
S2
How different will the expressions be in those compared to the S1s?
S2
How different will the expressions be in those compared to the S1s?
Where do I send my left arm or do you prefer one of the children?
Dont go cheap tony. It is a arm and leg. You may have already lost your chance at them now.
s2 will have much more genetic diversity. Much of hidden traits will come out in a s2. This can be good and bad.
Sorry but not at all! If you breed one organism to the same organism genetic diversity is lost because of inbreeding (self pollination is the most extreme form of inbreeding) thus lost of heterozygosity. There is no source of new gens. The deeper you go more homozygotes appear in the population.
If you start breed with heterozygot than S1 generation rate of hom./het. will be 25% AA, 50% Aa, 25% aa. S2 generation: 37,5% AA, 25% Aa, 37,5% aa.
True. The hidden trails will come out because of the large number of alleles becomes homozygous compared to S1. Therefore homozygous alleles can be expressed in the phenotype.
I grew a lot of the s1 all where pretty much the same. The major difference was in the Aroma/Flav. From what I have read s2 will be more homozygous than an s1. The recessive alleles will show more in an s2 line. Unlocking the recessive alleles in the s2's opens up more diversity then I saw in my s1 seeds.... Sdubb and my keeper s1 are very similar in every way. I think the s1 is better. The only way I know how to open up the recessive traits is to make s2. Maybe I can find some plants better than sdubb.
Last edited:
I am working on population and conservation genetic of vertebrates. I am not a plant breeder so I am also guessing. Would like to hear some expert.
Unlocking the recessive alleles opens up more diversity (in phenotyp). I guess you are right but it is not increasing of genetic diversity. If you hit for example Sour dubb with Sour dubb pollen you still work with the exactly same gene pool. Recessive alleles which were initially inhibited just come into the foreground. There is no way to enrich the gene pool of offspring than use genetic different father/mother (or mutations but they are really rare).
I need to look to plant breeding book to find the right word for the diversity in population with unlocked recessive alleles.
The other way how to open up the recessive traits is classic m/f inbreeding but this way is slower. You need go deeper.
Unlocking the recessive alleles opens up more diversity (in phenotyp). I guess you are right but it is not increasing of genetic diversity. If you hit for example Sour dubb with Sour dubb pollen you still work with the exactly same gene pool. Recessive alleles which were initially inhibited just come into the foreground. There is no way to enrich the gene pool of offspring than use genetic different father/mother (or mutations but they are really rare).
I need to look to plant breeding book to find the right word for the diversity in population with unlocked recessive alleles.
The other way how to open up the recessive traits is classic m/f inbreeding but this way is slower. You need go deeper.
Your taking my meaning of genetic diversity the wrong way from what I intended.. My explanation is above. I do not quote books. The terms I use might not be what's in a breeders book.. What I try to relay to others is correct but my terminology doing so might be different. Inbreeding depression wont happen until much father down the line so no worries here. I have no plans to go passed s2. I think Mutations show up more in inbreeding than normal breeding. I dont typically use any of these terms when talking to others. I try to relay the info in layman's terms so all will understand.
Last edited:
B
BAKED_BEANZ
i feel that , i like the book worms and know there knowledge is great , but it always feels like there trying to school you and critique lol
you lay that layman,s out all day , i,m down with that .
@mightyka , that wasn,t directed at you either ,man . i took some of what your saying also .
you lay that layman,s out all day , i,m down with that .
@mightyka , that wasn,t directed at you either ,man . i took some of what your saying also .
I didn't want to be offensive but if we are talking about breeding/pollen chucking we are on genetic field whether we like it or not. There is no other meaning of genetic diversity (number of different alleles of all genes in the species/population). Thats why I reacted... I absolutely understand what you mean and don't contest validity of your experience!
It is obvious that you know what are you talking about and I respect your work, your experiences and your relationship to this "hobby". Everyone can make a mistake we are just human.
Now why I have been talking about book/professional literature. I mean it in general, nothing personal. I saw a post of unnamed well known breeder (200$ pack) which defend a high amount of hermaphrodites and males in his regular strain by another (bad) type of soil during the seeds making process. When I saw that I felt like I need smash my head against the wall. The amount of money running in the seed making business is huge but the biologic/botanic/genetic knowledge of the people who profit on this is pathetic. There is thousand pages of fighting whose cut is legit, which cuts are original, who should we respect for keeping mothers etc. But where is respect to the nature and to the profession which those people do. Personally I don't see nothing bad about pollen chucking for example, but it would be great if the people who do it (especially those who sell it) know some deeper genetic/biologic background not just for better results but mainly because of it is fucking interesting... Sorry I just needed to say it.
Lets go back to the topic!
It is obvious that you know what are you talking about and I respect your work, your experiences and your relationship to this "hobby". Everyone can make a mistake we are just human.
Now why I have been talking about book/professional literature. I mean it in general, nothing personal. I saw a post of unnamed well known breeder (200$ pack) which defend a high amount of hermaphrodites and males in his regular strain by another (bad) type of soil during the seeds making process. When I saw that I felt like I need smash my head against the wall. The amount of money running in the seed making business is huge but the biologic/botanic/genetic knowledge of the people who profit on this is pathetic. There is thousand pages of fighting whose cut is legit, which cuts are original, who should we respect for keeping mothers etc. But where is respect to the nature and to the profession which those people do. Personally I don't see nothing bad about pollen chucking for example, but it would be great if the people who do it (especially those who sell it) know some deeper genetic/biologic background not just for better results but mainly because of it is fucking interesting... Sorry I just needed to say it.
Lets go back to the topic!
Last edited:
