SOUR DUBBLE INFO THREAD

[BAKED_BEANZ]

i don,t reckon you give them as freebies, you put the work in under the known facts at the time it was all good to sell them . the works done..... time to be paid. not that you,d be even making that much out of them or its about the money. i think it may of been you actually trying to get something out there you have enjoyed so much.

its very respectful what you have decided to do though. pitty the more personal moral code wasn't made a little clearer before the commencement of making them

 

[bucketswithsoil]

This is how I fell and what is gonna happen....

I should have been told how GS felt from day 1. Telling someone that its OK but leaving out the more important fact. I would not have listed them if I would have known that. There are only 21 packs not 50. I don't agree that im in the seed game. Im the only 1 that can say im in it or not. But If im gonna take this much crap I might as well go full on in... I will work my keepers and offer crosses and s1 of my shit from now on. I will only keep the sdubb as a pollen source. once I have enough I will cull her.. I also have another 150 seeds I can look though and use later.

Now that I know these Sdubb s1 seeds will be given out for free. I will not make 1 cent from them.... Since its OK to offer crosses as nothing was mentioned about these and others have been sealing these for years..The 1st 21 people will get a pack for free if they buy a pack of the other cross.. .. That's the best I can do. I hope that satisfies everyone...

is this still on "stax"?, .... all ya stuff/crosses look on point from the posts and pics, carry on bud..

 

[Tonygreen]

way to try to fuck up a good thread guys. cheers.

 

[heady blunts]

skip a couple days of updates and damn!

that was a bunch of bullshit. anyone that's been following PF's garden can see he's got the skills and the cultivars to make "a name in the seed game" any time he wants/.

he clearly isn't very interested in pursuing that despite many of us having an interest in his projects.

21 packs is like charity. you don't make money on that.

for those of us that can't just waltz over to the corner clone shop and pick up whatever we want, s1's provide an opportunity to try some of these great lines we've only been able to read about.

 

[bucketswithsoil]

. anyone that's been following PF's garden can see he's got the skills and the cultivars to make "a name in the seed game" any time he wants/.
paid alot of attention,in the gg4 thread,like you said his garden and pics speak 1000s, thats for damn sure...


for those of us that can't just waltz over to the corner clone shop and pick up whatever we want, s1's provide an opportunity to try some of these great lines we've only been able to read about.

and lordy lordy, this is so speakin TRUTH, no clone shopping around the FLA, so these killer crosses and what not some like me,would be mega pumped and stoked to get hands on gear mentioned...

 

[Smokin Joe]

This is a lower bud taken from sdubb finishing up outdoors

 

[soserthc1]

Been playing with alien rock candy and a few f1 hybrids of it. Been seeing some really similar phenos to what is pictured as sour dub.
Green crack & alien rock candy super sour plant buds don't get huge but there everywhere and solid

 

[true grit]

She has some issues. She doesn't perform consistent run to run. It's not not something that can be attributed to grower error. I have spoken to a few excellent growers they all had the same issues.

Fwiw earlier- No im not hating because I don't have the 43, pretty sure I was actually the first person to receive her from Jack. I have seen her exhibit nematodes, but once corrected she is 100% consistent for me in product quality over the last several years and out performs most OG clone onlys. Every other top notch organic grower i know with her can say the same, but seems folks running salts or hydro substrates get different results. Or some still have nematodes.

true grit is speaking of ethics, integrity and respect. hes keeping it real. we need more of that today than ever. in todays weed game its all about the cash and not giving a shit...minus a few select breeders/people. whether its 1 dollar or a million profit off of someones elses find/work is extremely low class...permission or not. it took very little to no work for the beans hammerhead made, ie no selection. just reverse, pollinate, harvest and finally profit (reguardless of the amount). he keeps getting worked because someone is trying to make sure things are right. then after GS comes in and clears the air he still whines like a little girl whos having her doll took away. anyone that agrees with him is cool in his eyes, but go against him or say something he doesnt like then your a troll. how hammerhead was ever welcomed back here is beyond me after all the shit he talked about this site payaso, skip etc etc. that mentality is what got him banned from a private site.

What up bud! Glad to see some folks still hold on to the ethics of the game, especially with all the impending legalization and open access of things that haven't been previously available. Folks just want the easy way out these days, but with today's society who can blame em.

There would be very little conflict of interest from me. I'm not in the seed game. My listing is nothing. I wont be doing anymore. There is someone making many of SDubb crosses for sale its not me. What I make is not for sale. I wouldn't think my 1 release would be any conflict. Its those making them continuously for sale. If there's any conflict isn't that where it would be. If I would have been told that's how GS feels these seeds would have never gotten listed. If its just the s1 seeds that causing such a issue that is not gonna happen again. I offered GS compensation as well. is it OK to make crosses with her. is that not an issue?

Maybe I'm just missing something then. I didn't get that from your post my bad. I had No idea there was even a smidgen of an issue. If its about profits there isn't any but I still offered to share what ever was made on the sale. I def learned my lesson. I wont be offering anyone s1 for sale again.

You were missing something and it was the issue of s1's. Thats all and all i stated from the beginning. Not all the dubb crosses out there, or glue crosses or 43 crosses. It was simply about s1's and how that reflects, especially being that your only seed drops were s1's. That could be considered a beginning of a trend, and is why I spoke up in the original post I made. Im glad you are understanding the issue.

I agree with ya jw, not like 50 packs of seeds is going to turn the market upside down....I really don't want to keep going on and on about this but the timing could be better; we all know what happens when s1's get released(gg7 ring a bell?)

I think a big thing being missed in this conversation is GS said he gave the okay, but he also said that he and true grit saw eye to eye on this situation...gs left the ball in pf's court to make the judgement call...does he take the "ok" at face value? or does he read between the lines and see that GS is basically saying the only reason he's giving the thumbs up on it is because so many people have already broken their word on the dubb and it's beyond his control/out of his hands what people do with it at this point(fried spam and aloha)

I'm not trying to get personal with pf or anyone else for that matter, I'm just offering my 2 cents from where I'm seeing it...the dubb was never supposed to get to "glue" status in terms of being shared- which it never got quite as whored out(even after PO re-naming it and trying to pass it to literally everyone they could, against restrictions. but 90% of theirs were dudds).

I don't think that pf is doing anything wrong, he went out and got the ok from GS...not much more a person could do...he even offered a cut of the profits(which could be pretty significant from even 50 packs at an auction)

regardless of scale, if you make seeds to sell you are "part" of the seed game...pf will be marketing to the same customers that GS will be...

What up brotha, funny I wondered if anyone was going to point out the "reading between the lines" of GS's post. Kinda evident from what i was reading.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This is how I fell and what is gonna happen....

I should have been told how GS felt from day 1. Telling someone that its OK but leaving out the more important fact. I would not have listed them if I would have known that. There are only 21 packs not 50. I don't agree that im in the seed game. Im the only 1 that can say im in it or not. But If im gonna take this much crap I might as well go full on in... I will work my keepers and offer crosses and s1 of my shit from now on. that way I don't put myself into a situation like this again.

Now that I know how he feels these Sdubb s1 seeds will be given out for free. I will not make 1 cent from them.... Since its OK to offer crosses as nothing was mentioned about these and others have been sealing these for years..The 1st 21 people will get a pack for free if they buy a pack of the other cross.. .. That's the best I can do. I hope that satisfies everyone...[/FONT]

Good for you bud. Hopefully you can take the moral of this whole situation being- don't make s1's to sell of gear that isn't something you made. Leave that up to the folks who have found/made/shared the cut or at least try to. There will always be shadesters doing it, but don't be one of them plain and simple.

And you are right you are only one who can say you are in the seed game or not, but reality is also as soon as you sell any seeds you will be judged by other seed makers/growers as someone selling seeds.

 

[OneStonedPony]

IMHO if you've got something good, get it out to folks. Otherwise it could be lost for any number of reasons. When I say that, I mean share it, or sell it, or both. Agree or disagree, hoarding doesn't help us as a community. If stoners can't be kind to one another, and not judge, then the world is fucked.

 

[50YardLine]

That horse is dead, stop beating it guys.

 

[subrob]

Ridiculous drama wasted on the wrong thread wrong person wrong strain
I know dude up north is still upset but I would think everyone else would be capable of letting go by now...
The strategy and rules of personal private domain go out the window once a cut is public
I'm not talking about jack gave 5 people 43 so now its public...I'm talking about dubb getting out YEARS ago and is now spread coast to coast...
As the game has changed (and still changing) so have the rules...
If you wanna be in business ya gotta keep your shit to yourself...no more "hoarding is bad and you a bad stoner for doing it" look what the fuck happens!
Greyskull is over the fact dubb is out...he may be upset at himself for not judging better who to trust w it...but he told me he has no beef w hammer...
The peeps(myself included) who didn't work w dubb for YEARS due to duds or other reasons when it wasn't so widespread don't have anyone to blame
The idea that 50 packs of seeds or less is either profitable or capable of putting a dent in anyone else's game is proof that we internet canna heads(again..myself included) focus too hard on small or insignificant deals...because we love this game and are all pretty obsessed...so its a good thing...now let's all take a step back and breathe...or smoke..

 

[Tonygreen]

Tru i feel like s1'ing everything i got cuz your a trip and it's good breeding practise... must got nothing going on in your life to carry on like a self righteous prick in some fantasy world where your ideals are all that matters and is right...

To say crossing is ok but selfing is not just shows your a tool.

I guess if anyone makes nl x skunk they are shadesters.

Your a clown dude.

 

[Tonygreen]

That horse is dead, stop beating it guys.

he cant stop hes too impressed with himself and his ideals...

 

[dannykarey]

Sooooooo, how about that local sports team?

 

[Grizz]

Sooooooo, how about that local sports team?

they suck to.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

they suck to.

Speak for yourself. Our local female roller blade team is great. In fact I chopped some arms off and am cloning them now. Going to see if I can make some s1 roller bladers When those arms are bigger.

Talk about slow rooters. It is taking for ever for these arms to root. That is the reason for the s1's.

 

[DoubleTripleOG]

I have a Dubb that jus hit 7 weeks last night. It is super sticky to the touch, and looks so good. Now that I know what she smells like, I can smell it in the Glue. I can't wait to do a side by side after they have both been in a jar for a bit.

On another note, I have never run a plant that likes to stand up as straight and tall as she does. No floppies over here, unless I'm looking at the glue plants next to her, lol.

 

[DAWGWEED]

Here is my sour dubb done in outdoor hempy buckets ( taken a coupple weeks ago,just about finished).. Sorry about the crappy pics, will try to post some nicer shots later.

 

[DoubleTripleOG]

Here's a bud of the Dubb I have at 7 weeks. First run with her, so be gentle, lol.

 

[50YardLine]

What are the yields on the sour dub outdoors? I am going to fill up maybe a third of my light dep greenhouse next spring with Sour Dub. The yields will be low, but can't be worse than my GSC cut.