Sour Diesel Vs. New York City Diesel

[187020]

oh they are so close homies...

oh they are so close homies...

the soma nycd 2003 cut and ecsd clone grow in the same pattern, and are visually identical...ecsd is all sour fuel and the soma is all that and a twist of grapefruit...pretty sure the soma NYC bagseed was some ecsd herm bastards !! stay heavy peacin' homies

ecsd@51

and NYCD 2003 also 51 day flowering...nobody's bitch !!

 

[PicosPoisonftw!]

That sounds like it would be a great cross. Amnesia Haze (G13Haze) seems to improve what ever it's crossed to. I never got a chance to try Sour Cream (Original Sour Diesel x G13Haze) that should be intense as well.

Fairly positive amnesia isn't g13haze. Soma claimed it was a Laotian (he found) x Hawaiian/Afghan (from shanti). All soma has of g13haze is one male, it's all he got to pop from the beans he received of neville's.... a project neville decided to abandon, after a very limited run, in lieu nl5xhaze.

 

[Bi0hazard]

Fairly positive amnesia isn't g13haze. Soma claimed it was a Laotian (he found) x Hawaiian/Afghan (from shanti). All soma has of g13haze is one male, it's all he got to pop from the beans he received of neville's.... a project neville decided to abandon, after a very limited run, in lieu nl5xhaze.

Thanks for the update, Good info.

 

[REZDOG]

FACT:
Soma's G13 Haze seeds were given to him by Ed Rosenthal,who had kept them since the late-1980s.
Out of several,only one germinated,and was a male.
It makes for truly exceptional hybrids,Reservoir's G13 Sour Diesel Haze used his G13Haze male as a parent with stellar results. It's been used by others as well,with great success.
Soma attempted an Amnesia Haze feminized line,but it didn't take and if the seeds germinated the plants were severely mutated and in the worse case completely intersex (hermaphrodites).
The original Amnesia Haze Mom of Soma's was easily some of the strongest,most psychedelic cannabis that I have ever smoked,though the flavor wasn't memorable at all. (Kinda' like Soma's NYCD Clone was memorably flavorful,(tasted like ruby red grapefruit with absolutely ZERO "diesel" influence) but the mild high and "low ceiling" was infinitely forgettable.)
Soma's original "Amnesia" Haze mom was lost in a Dutch police raid in 2005,and not recovered,as it had been held just a wee bit too closely and not backed-up in multiple locations.... Soma selected a new "Amnesia Haze" Mom from his "Haze Heaven" genetics and that's where it stands today.

Fwiw.



~RD~

 

[sweet-emotion]

question: here ------------> Original Diesel »»» Chemdawg x {MassSuperSkunk x SensiNL}, which was male and which was female?

What was the Chemdawg? male or female?.......what was the MassSuperSkunk? what was the SensiNL?

can you tell?

 

[Bi0hazard]

question: here ------------> Original Diesel »»» Chemdawg x {MassSuperSkunk x SensiNL}, which was male and which was female?

What was the Chemdawg? male or female?.......what was the MassSuperSkunk? what was the SensiNL?

can you tell?

The Chemdawg was definitely "Chemdawg '91". It's pretty well confirmed that the Chem 91 in Original Diesel was the original cut, meaning it was female.

According to JJ-NYC the cross of SensiNL/MSS = Sensi NL was the Male and the Mass Super Skunk was the female cut - which produced seeds - from those seeds a male was chosen and then crossed with the Female Chem '91.

"[FONT=&quot]Originally posted by JJ-NYC
Let me give everyone a history lession about the Diesel. The Chem Dawg
was a unknown indica strain(Kush,HP,or NL?) old school, from
Colorodo. (Does anyone know what strain or its orgin?)This is the
orginal NYC DIESEL. Two friends met on Dead tour. A pound of Chem
was mailed to Mass. around 93-94.Seeds were found and started.My
friend met Mass.G. at Phish tour 93-94.Clones of the Chem Dawg and
Super Skunk made their way to NYC. With no male,The Weasel crossed a Sensi NL male with the Super Skunk. Took a male and crossed it with
the Chem Dawg creating the Underdawg Diesel or (Diesel no.1,Headband Diesel,or Daywrecker Diesel).Another strain in his room the DNL (NL/Shiva(RFK)/Hawiian cross) self seeded the Under Dawg a seed was grown and The Sour Diesel was created, no planned breeding, it just happened. This is the Diesel gospel. I challenge anyone who questions this fact, for I have been involved with the Diesel since it came to NYC."

He goes on to say "[/FONT][FONT=&quot]RFK was a skunk strain developed from seeds found in a bag scored at
the 90-91? Dead shows at RFK there were 3 different versions of RFK
Skunk 1,2,3. The strain was given to a friend with some Hawaian
seeds(still investagating source) and he crossed the two. Had a
female and added some NL pollen(investagating source) creating the
DNL, which hermi and seeded the Under Dawg Diesel. I know its
confusing. But I think it should be like this...

Original Diesel = Dawg/Chem X (MassSuperSkunk X SensiNL)
Sour Diesel = Original Diesel X DNL
DNL = (RFK Skunk X Hawaiian) X NL
RFK = Skunk strain from RFK dead Shows 90-91"

---

The original finder and breeder of the Chemdawg strain - who goes by the name chemdog also replied and gave his story of the creation of Original Diesel, Og Kush and Sour Diesel. This is his words, I wasn't there so I cannot confirm or deny.

"[/FONT] The Sour diesel is in fact a total mistake the
chemdog which was started in co from a very old farmer got seeds to a
person in ma not cali which was started then in 91. It was the best
bud i have ever smoked smelled or tasted. By 1993 it was the sickest
shit around. Then the kids met these guys from ny at a phish show and
they were begging the kids for a cutting which at that point was
scarce.The kids were very tight and knew they had something special.
We then became good friends and the kids traded the chem dog for a
super skunk which is better then any skunk i have seen.We made
promises to not give the shit away it was the bomb. Now this is were
we get a little pissed off but are over it by now the nyc guys didnt
like the name chem dog so they had a idea to chang the name to DIESEL.
So the orig Chem dog is Diesel so what happend next explains the
Sour The kids in ma had the best shit around everybody wanted the
Chem dog people were coming up from albany to get the Diesel in bud
form and they found some seeds in one batch. The super skunk that the
kids were growing hermd and hit the chem dog aka diesel and the albany
crew started those seeds and named it sour diesel also the orig
chemdog aka diesl is og kush. its Chem dog also the ma kids are the
only ones who have orig seeds of chem dog aka diesel still from the
early 90s everybody got cuttings the kids still have 6 seeds left.
hope you all find this info helpful i will soon give full details
about the chem dog,sour diesel,diesel,og kush.Its time to settle all
the bullshit that people seem to know peace to all

Guys your all right except the the og kush is a hermi seed from the
chem dog from back in 96 their were only two people in the day to
take the chem dog to the west coast it first hit lake tahoe. My
friends chem dog got stressed and hermi a little so he decide to try
the few seeds and the buddy who gave the chem dog seeds to us said
the old farmer said it hade kush in it so my buddy to this day thinks
its a strain of the orig kush and said if the ny kids can change the
name from chem dog lets call the west coast version OG kUSH that is
the truth. If anybody ever smoked the chem dog back in the day early
90s it taste like the sour but fifty times more The chem dog is the
mom of the sour so basicly the og kush is a newer seed of the orig
chem dog. peace to all. I have true males and
females of the Chem dog,Sour diesel,Bubble chem, i have crossed a
male Chem dog Aka Diesel with all of Sensi seeds good females already
back in 96 they have been in storage since then and i know are still
viable because the me kids just started the Super dog which is the
Superskunk crossed with the chemdog and its sick enjoy the info a lot
more to come

Part of what you say is true. But you have some of the facts mixed
up. First of all, I go way back to the begining 92-93. my good friend
from NY, was the one who got the Chem Dawg and Super Skunk first.
And yes the Chem was first called Diesel because people did not like
the name and because it was the "Cock Diesel" But you don't talk
about the next strain created from the Chem Dawg. Also known as
UnderDawg, Daywrecker, Diesel no.1 (Chem Dawg x super skunk/NL) from
this the Sour was born hermied from the DNL(skunk). That is were it
gets its vigorous growth and some of the taste. Any one who has grown
or smoked it would know. And yes the Albany kids were the first to
"find " the Sour, the "bro" and his crew did not invent it. It was
grown out of seeds found in head bags bought in NYC. The upstate kids
were begging for a cutting of either Diesel and wound up with bag
seed to grow."

 

[REZDOG]

JJ-NYC is the generator of all sorts of BS "history".
Too bad HE wrote it,and it's not wholly based on actual events,but based somewhat,instead,on his pea-brained agenda.

~RD~

 

[Tropical Rain]

Rez do you still hold the pre-raid NYCD ?

 

[Tropical Rain]

JJ-NYC is the generator of all sorts of BS "history".
Too bad HE wrote it,and it's not wholly based on actual events,but based somewhat,instead,on his pea-brained agenda.

~RD~

JJ loves you, stop it!

 

[187020]

be back with a smoke report fellas...

be back with a smoke report fellas...

ive got NYCD and ECSD at day 55 so i'll keep this updated for the next few weeks as they finish...

nycd 2003

ecsd

 

[PicosPoisonftw!]

Yeah I heard the amnesia was nuts on potency and ceiling. Like the a5 diesel pheno. 2 hit puke kinda shit.

 

[sweet-emotion]

The Chemdawg was definitely "Chemdawg '91". It's pretty well confirmed that the Chem 91 in Original Diesel was the original cut, meaning it was female.

According to JJ-NYC the cross of SensiNL/MSS = Sensi NL was the Male and the Mass Super Skunk was the female cut - which produced seeds - from those seeds a male was chosen and then crossed with the Female Chem '91.

"[FONT=&quot]Originally posted by JJ-NYC
Let me give everyone a history lession about the Diesel. The Chem Dawg
was a unknown indica strain(Kush,HP,or NL?) old school, from
Colorodo. (Does anyone know what strain or its orgin?)This is the
orginal NYC DIESEL. Two friends met on Dead tour. A pound of Chem
was mailed to Mass. around 93-94.Seeds were found and started.My
friend met Mass.G. at Phish tour 93-94.Clones of the Chem Dawg and
Super Skunk made their way to NYC. With no male,The Weasel crossed a Sensi NL male with the Super Skunk. Took a male and crossed it with
the Chem Dawg creating the Underdawg Diesel or (Diesel no.1,Headband Diesel,or Daywrecker Diesel).Another strain in his room the DNL (NL/Shiva(RFK)/Hawiian cross) self seeded the Under Dawg a seed was grown and The Sour Diesel was created, no planned breeding, it just happened. This is the Diesel gospel. I challenge anyone who questions this fact, for I have been involved with the Diesel since it came to NYC."

He goes on to say "[/FONT][FONT=&quot]RFK was a skunk strain developed from seeds found in a bag scored at
the 90-91? Dead shows at RFK there were 3 different versions of RFK
Skunk 1,2,3. The strain was given to a friend with some Hawaian
seeds(still investagating source) and he crossed the two. Had a
female and added some NL pollen(investagating source) creating the
DNL, which hermi and seeded the Under Dawg Diesel. I know its
confusing. But I think it should be like this...

Original Diesel = Dawg/Chem X (MassSuperSkunk X SensiNL)
Sour Diesel = Original Diesel X DNL
DNL = (RFK Skunk X Hawaiian) X NL
RFK = Skunk strain from RFK dead Shows 90-91"[/FONT]

Thanks for your reply Bio!!...really interesting....but, why all this controversy about all this??....who's JJ, and who are the guys that hit on Rez??...please explain

 

[MasterKhufu]

Gotta love that sour.

 

[187020]

chemdog and sour combined ya can't go wrong !!

chemdog and sour combined ya can't go wrong !!

chemdog d was the mom and dad was sour diesel ibl. chemdawg double d was born with a high pedigree that lived up to the hype...and then some !! rezdog 1st release and this plant yields homies...peace !!

 

[OGvenom]

Nice info bio thnx for sharing

 

[Tropical Rain]

this shit is getting old

 

[DrPoison]

chemdog d was the mom and dad was sour diesel ibl. chemdawg double d was born with a high pedigree that lived up to the hype...and then some !! rezdog 1st release and this plant yields homies...peace !!

Cravenmore...you sure love to fondle your nugs homie! Bet you like that "green thumb" finger hash!

And what's this??? Crucifying the DoubleD?!?!

 

[Bi0hazard]

chemdog d was the mom and dad was sour diesel ibl. chemdawg double d was born with a high pedigree that lived up to the hype...and then some !! rezdog 1st release and this plant yields homies...peace !!

Incredible pheno you have there - Looks like a keeper. i ran a couple Chem DD's and they all yielded heavily, close to 4 oz a plant in the right conditions.

The high yielding pheno I had turned purple and pink in the buds -like it looks like yours did, but didn't have as much a pronounced taste as the Sour Diesel IBL's or Alpha Diesel's I grew from Rez. It could have just been the pheno, I'm sure there are many that carry over the smell/taste more. I definitely enjoyed the Chem DD, really a strong growth structure and packs on long colas. One of the biggest was 18-20 inches long.

 

[sweet-emotion]

there´s one thing I still don't get...is the original OG Kush the same as Chemdawg but with another name, or is it another thing found in the same bag??

 

[Bi0hazard]

there´s one thing I still don't get...is the original OG Kush the same as Chemdawg but with another name, or is it another thing found in the same bag??

According to Chemdog who was connected with the people who discovered OG Kush. It was essentially a S1 or rather an Original Diesel plant that accidentally self pollinated - not a straight Chem 91 S1. I was originally under the impression that it was a Chem 91 S1, but stand corrected.

[FONT=&quot]Original Diesel = (Male) [/FONT][FONT=&quot][ [/FONT][FONT=&quot](M) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]SensiNL X [/FONT][FONT=&quot] (F) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]MassSuperSkunk ] X [/FONT][FONT=&quot](Female)[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Chem[/FONT] '91 (aka Chemdawg)

S1 = a female was sprayed to produce seeds without a male. Essentially crossed to itself.
** I've heard many say it's an S1, however Chemdawg knowing the person said it was an accident and rather an Original Diesel plant that selfed naturally and produced some seeds, one of which being OG Kush. The seed basically expressed a pheno from the Original Diesel gene-pool.