-
ICMag with help from Landrace Warden and The Vault is running a NEW contest in November! You can check it here. Prizes are seeds & forum premium access. Come join in!
Sour Diesel Vs. New York City Diesel
- Thread starter caduceo
- Start date
Soma's NYCD = Diesel Bagseed (probably orig, not sour) X (Afghani X Hawaiian)
DNL = RFK X Hawaiian
RFK = NL X Shiva
The sativa comes from skunk. Two different types Mass. Super Skunk, which was in the Under Dawg Diesel and RFK skunk which was bred into the DNL. The newest confirmed breeding. The DNL was a RFK skunk female/Hawaiian male x NL male. The breeding on this strain has been very unclear over the years . First thought to be a Diesel x NL cross
(that’s how it got its name DNL) this plant grows tall and stretches very similar growth to the Sour.
But to compare the two is just not even fair. S.D. will dominate NYCD everytime.
DNL = RFK X Hawaiian
RFK = NL X Shiva
The sativa comes from skunk. Two different types Mass. Super Skunk, which was in the Under Dawg Diesel and RFK skunk which was bred into the DNL. The newest confirmed breeding. The DNL was a RFK skunk female/Hawaiian male x NL male. The breeding on this strain has been very unclear over the years . First thought to be a Diesel x NL cross
(that’s how it got its name DNL) this plant grows tall and stretches very similar growth to the Sour.
But to compare the two is just not even fair. S.D. will dominate NYCD everytime.
It could but has it??? NO. So why ask why? The question is if they are IBL's and if people are happy with the packs they get. And the answer to that appears to be yes. As to the other question. Rez did say in a month he is open for discussion. So I guess we might get the answer to that one too.
....Ah,look how they line right up like good little boys and snap back in line when Admin pops in.... 
I've always been open to discussion,just not with ignorant kids who think they "know" when they really have No Clue.
I'll suffer fools gladly at times,but blind ignorance wears far too thin on my nerves- And y'all are,I'm afraid,quite ignorant.
Take it personally,and use the criticism to learn something. Or not.
I've had The Sour Diesel Clone since October/November of 2002. Longer than anyone on these 'boards that I know of,by far.
(If any legit poster here at IC has had it longer,I'm unaware of them-) I know Sour Diesel inside and out,backwards and forwards,likely better than anyone else on the planet,given my extensive,continued experiences growing and breeding it.
Reservoir also has had the "Chem Family Clones" Light Years ahead of most.
Over the past eight or nine years myself & my friends have grown thousands of Sour Diesel clones,won a few awards with it along the way,and generally had a blast smoking & growing the hell out of it. Ran a few metric tons of Chem 'D',too....
That said,take a month and learn:up and if you can present intelligent discourse in my forum on this topic,then I'll entertain the notion of a discussion.
~RD~
I've always been open to discussion,just not with ignorant kids who think they "know" when they really have No Clue.
I'll suffer fools gladly at times,but blind ignorance wears far too thin on my nerves- And y'all are,I'm afraid,quite ignorant.
Take it personally,and use the criticism to learn something. Or not.
I've had The Sour Diesel Clone since October/November of 2002. Longer than anyone on these 'boards that I know of,by far.
(If any legit poster here at IC has had it longer,I'm unaware of them-) I know Sour Diesel inside and out,backwards and forwards,likely better than anyone else on the planet,given my extensive,continued experiences growing and breeding it.
Reservoir also has had the "Chem Family Clones" Light Years ahead of most.
Over the past eight or nine years myself & my friends have grown thousands of Sour Diesel clones,won a few awards with it
along the way,and generally had a blast smoking & growing the hell out of it. Ran a few metric tons of Chem 'D',too.... That said,take a month and learn:up and if you can present intelligent discourse in my forum on this topic,then I'll entertain the notion of a discussion.
~RD~
Undoubtedly some will confuse the word ignorant which is lack of knowledge, with that of stupid. So, I figured I'd help you out and supply the definition for others so hopefully fewer take it personally than necessary:
ig·no·rant/ˈignərənt/Adjective
1. Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
2. Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular: "ignorant of astronomy".
ig·no·rant/ˈignərənt/Adjective
1. Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
2. Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular: "ignorant of astronomy".
rez, thanks for creating a highly sought out "elite" clone in seed form that was almost impossible to obtain for some, i definitely commend that. But your condescending smugness in posts like ^ is pretty sickening man. RESPECT TO THE BREEDERS OUT THERE RELEASING FIRE AND STAYING HUMBLE!
but back to the thread: sour d and nycd are among best tasting strains i've had but don't even touch the top ten or so in potency. although nycd is tasty, sour d pretty much has it beat in every aspect- high, taste, bag appeal, and potency.
but back to the thread: sour d and nycd are among best tasting strains i've had but don't even touch the top ten or so in potency. although nycd is tasty, sour d pretty much has it beat in every aspect- high, taste, bag appeal, and potency.
CranAppleGemz
Member
there are gonna be 230460346 opinions on which is better...who gives a shit..
what i wanna know is....am i the only one who saw the 13.5lbs per 3k comment???
we need to talk about that!!!!!! lol..
still trying to figure out if its a completely gross exageration or complete BS....hmm...
what i wanna know is....am i the only one who saw the 13.5lbs per 3k comment???
we need to talk about that!!!!!! lol..
still trying to figure out if its a completely gross exageration or complete BS....hmm...
Personally, I haven't seen any one come close to 2 grams a watt. I have seen some people get 1.25 per watt on occasion - however it also comes down to genetics, conditions, amount of LST training, and the total amount of wattage. I have heard people mentioning close to 2grams a watt with the original sour diesel cut - but really haven't seen much proof.
If it is true and:
You have to have absolutely perfect conditions. I'm not saying I have done it, or run just sour diesel in a 3k setup. But it has been reported many times to produce up to 2 Grams per watt.
3,000 Watts = potential of 6,000 Grams. 6,000 Grams = 13.24 Pounds. Again I am not claiming to have done it, but it is in range of what others have reported when fully dialed in.
bull.fucking.shit
A
AWoll
Liven, bio and white mountain this question is for you guys without looking it up on wikipedia which i have already stated is a bad source in post #294 retorting mountains ridiculous claim that rez's Ibl is an f1 cross. What makes an IBL? And other than a "cubing" method ( for example Mr. Souls method to make C99 which isnt an "IBL" but a very good Breeding method to select certain features in plants.) What ingenius Breeding method would you use? Here ill answer it for you...selection.
One of you said it right "anyone can do what rez does". okay if so then why doesnt anyone just do that? Here I'll answer that too.. because they might not have the resources, SKILL, and last but not least time. Rez has had people test for him ( its all right here for anyone to see in these good looking forums), which when i bought the 04' sour queen I believe he was working on ECSD version 3 people were in fact testing those...and giving critiques, opinions and what not. What Im trying to get across is Rez has stated that he wanted to bring ECSD in a reworked seed form to the world for people that arent lucky enough to have access to the actual clone. By an overwhelming popular opinion ( having not tried the IBL yet, only the original.. shhh got 2 packs stowed for a rainy day!) I think he has succeeded in doing exactly that. So I'll ask again. What makes an IBL?
And...Why dog the man for running a business and bringing kickass genetics to the world?
Oh and mountain I do believe your statement that an f1 hybrid will make alike progeny is just plain wrong, seeing as how most if not all ( landraces excluded ) cannabis has been breed and rebreed, Inbred and crossed...rinse lather repeat.... unless you got 2 cuts from 2 indegionous regions you have a poly-hybrid. read the mendel thread on wiki again brotha.
Im not a spokesperson for Rez, never met the man if he is male, he could be an asshole... i dont give a shit... I just smoke the buds he breeds, and its head and shoulders above most Ive tried.
Maybe you should bitch to god on why there are so many assholes in the world... it'd be a better argument
good day
stay stoned
AWoll
One of you said it right "anyone can do what rez does". okay if so then why doesnt anyone just do that? Here I'll answer that too.. because they might not have the resources, SKILL, and last but not least time. Rez has had people test for him ( its all right here for anyone to see in these good looking forums), which when i bought the 04' sour queen I believe he was working on ECSD version 3 people were in fact testing those...and giving critiques, opinions and what not. What Im trying to get across is Rez has stated that he wanted to bring ECSD in a reworked seed form to the world for people that arent lucky enough to have access to the actual clone. By an overwhelming popular opinion ( having not tried the IBL yet, only the original.. shhh got 2 packs stowed for a rainy day!) I think he has succeeded in doing exactly that. So I'll ask again. What makes an IBL?
And...Why dog the man for running a business and bringing kickass genetics to the world?
Oh and mountain I do believe your statement that an f1 hybrid will make alike progeny is just plain wrong, seeing as how most if not all ( landraces excluded ) cannabis has been breed and rebreed, Inbred and crossed...rinse lather repeat.... unless you got 2 cuts from 2 indegionous regions you have a poly-hybrid. read the mendel thread on wiki again brotha.
Im not a spokesperson for Rez, never met the man if he is male, he could be an asshole... i dont give a shit... I just smoke the buds he breeds, and its head and shoulders above most Ive tried.
Maybe you should bitch to god on why there are so many assholes in the world... it'd be a better argument
good day
stay stoned
AWoll
I have a theory on Bi0polar, whitemountain, and liven.
Bi0polar has imaginary friends or multiple personalities, in real life Bi0 is very text book smart, uses lots of big words to try and fool people, disingenuous, aphasia to name a few. Whitemountain his friend he made up back in 04 just for this occasion grows ecsd and yields 4.1-4.5 elbows a light pretty neat for a guy with 10 fingers and two thumbs, liven bi0's new imaginary friend who he dreamed up just last month loves the ecsd diesel taste with the lemon after taste knows everything about breeding and anything that doesn't go down exactly like it does in his favourite bed time story by Dj short just can't be true.... It could be my aphasia or are all these 3 characters a well known Cali breeder who f@cked everyone one in the arse with his autoflower ghani leaning rubbish???
Bi0polar has imaginary friends or multiple personalities, in real life Bi0 is very text book smart, uses lots of big words to try and fool people, disingenuous, aphasia to name a few. Whitemountain his friend he made up back in 04 just for this occasion grows ecsd and yields 4.1-4.5 elbows a light pretty neat for a guy with 10 fingers and two thumbs, liven bi0's new imaginary friend who he dreamed up just last month loves the ecsd diesel taste with the lemon after taste knows everything about breeding and anything that doesn't go down exactly like it does in his favourite bed time story by Dj short just can't be true.... It could be my aphasia or are all these 3 characters a well known Cali breeder who f@cked everyone one in the arse with his autoflower ghani leaning rubbish???
A
AWoll
I have a theory on Bi0polar, whitemountain, and liven.
Bi0polar has imaginary friends or multiple personalities, in real life Bi0 is very text book smart, uses lots of big words to try and fool people, disingenuous, aphasia to name a few. Whitemountain his friend he made up back in 04 just for this occasion grows ecsd and yields 4.1-4.5 elbows a light pretty neat for a guy with 10 fingers and two thumbs, liven bi0's new imaginary friend who he dreamed up just last month loves the ecsd diesel taste with the lemon after taste knows everything about breeding and anything that doesn't go down exactly like it does in his favourite bed time story by Dj short just can't be true.... It could be my aphasia or are all these 3 characters a well known Cali breeder who f@cked everyone one in the arse with his autoflower ghani leaning rubbish???
hah oh smurf i mean sw-erve, maybe but i think their just full of "hubris". thats a big word too..looked it up on wikipedia
because knowledge is power!! Im so smart i haven't posted since '04!...because it took a tag of "IBL" to bring me out of my cave
I have a theory on Bi0polar, whitemountain, and liven.
Bi0polar has imaginary friends or multiple personalities, in real life Bi0 is very text book smart, uses lots of big words to try and fool people, disingenuous, aphasia to name a few. Whitemountain his friend he made up back in 04 just for this occasion grows ecsd and yields 4.1-4.5 elbows a light pretty neat for a guy with 10 fingers and two thumbs, liven bi0's new imaginary friend who he dreamed up just last month loves the ecsd diesel taste with the lemon after taste knows everything about breeding and anything that doesn't go down exactly like it does in his favourite bed time story by Dj short just can't be true.... It could be my aphasia or are all these 3 characters a well known Cali breeder who f@cked everyone one in the arse with his autoflower ghani leaning rubbish???
Really? Are you serious. You are making claims of imaginary stories, when your whole post was making up an imaginary story in your head. Try to be a little more mature than that. Secondly, it is pretty apparent you don't really get what Aphasia means, I think you are thinking of Amnesia.
I never said that Rez's SD was IBL or not, read any of my posts - I have never commented on that matter. So don't pull me into it. I was just curious about his f12/f14 claims - that is all. I've also expressed the differences I've seen from his seed line to the ecsd cut - which is just my personal experiences, others could have their own. Again, I have positive things to say about Rez's genetics as a whole. I'm just expressing my experiences with his SD ibl, Alpha Diesel and Chem DD.
Again, I have made no claims as to whether rez's SD is an IBL or not, check my posts.
WhiteMountain
Member
Ok i have to adress this, you guys actually think I'm making that up?? 4.5 lbs a light is def possible, that's a gram per watt per month. That's pretty much the max that any strain can get & yes it was gotten withthe ecsd!! I've never hit that but I has consistently gotten over 3lbs a light myself, let's do the math here.
16 plants per light, 4' tall pinched through veg to encourage secondary branch growth.
Bottom foot of the plant trimmed to concentrate growth on top colas.
Mini-split A/C & a Santa fe dehumidifier
If you get 1z/p you get 1lb/light
If you get 4 z a plant you get 4 lbs a light.
My friend who pulled that huge harvest got every single plant perfect & got over 4 per plant. How is that not possible? I know most people only get 1-2 a light & I've gotten that many times but that doesn't mean other people don't pull that all the time.
Also I've never pulled over 3 a light with anything but the ecsd, the yields I've seen from this clone are simply amazing.
The 4.5 lb a light grow is documented, I have documented shitloads if grows I've gotten over 3 a light.
Now a gram per what per month isn't possible? Do you guys honestly think I'm just making shit up? That's hilarious
16 plants per light, 4' tall pinched through veg to encourage secondary branch growth.
Bottom foot of the plant trimmed to concentrate growth on top colas.
Mini-split A/C & a Santa fe dehumidifier
If you get 1z/p you get 1lb/light
If you get 4 z a plant you get 4 lbs a light.
My friend who pulled that huge harvest got every single plant perfect & got over 4 per plant. How is that not possible? I know most people only get 1-2 a light & I've gotten that many times but that doesn't mean other people don't pull that all the time.
Also I've never pulled over 3 a light with anything but the ecsd, the yields I've seen from this clone are simply amazing.
The 4.5 lb a light grow is documented, I have documented shitloads if grows I've gotten over 3 a light.
Now a gram per what per month isn't possible? Do you guys honestly think I'm just making shit up? That's hilarious
WhiteMountain
Member
Anyone who has the clone & the males could do what Rez is doing. All the hard work was dine years ago when these strains were selected & saved. There are people doing it & getting awesome results, like the candy chem for example. Shits sick & WAY better than anything I've seen of rez's
Why is Rez so defensive? Seems if my suggesting that it's an f1 is so stupid it should be pretty easy to explain exactly why it isn't. Instead he is being ridiculous & calling us kids who look up our info on wiki. Is that a joke? Do you really thinkthat i would look at wiki for info on weed?? Lol, c'mon
& since when does an f1 hybrid need to be pure sativA & indica landrace? Who the hell ever heard of that. If you are trying to discover an entire new strain that would be ideal, but clearly Rez isn't doing that. They just need to b from different families & you get an f1 hybrid. Look at how many f1 hybrids seedbanks sell, none if those are landrace crosses.
This shit is getting hilarious, we def struck a nerve in rez. Clearly we are onto something here, otherwise he would argue with some facts. Not accuse us of being kids that look stuff up about weed on wiki! WTF would wiki know about what were talkin about right now? Anyone who needs to put up such arguments is probably wrong.
Whil the lv420 cup is fairly impressive, Listing contests won def ain't convincing me of anything. Besides for the fact thats more of a growers contest. Did you grow the entry? I bet that if those strains were all grown by the same grower the ecsd would beat the strawberry. I've never puffed your strawberry so I can't say for sure but are you saying that your strawberry is better than the orig ecsd clone ?
So far Rez you've done nothing even close to make me think it's not an f1. What's with the list of stages of how you make the ibl, how did you use the sour diesel ibl to make your sour diesel ibl?
Have you seen any of these new sour & chem crosses the northeast kids are puttin out? What do you think of those crosses?
Why is Rez so defensive? Seems if my suggesting that it's an f1 is so stupid it should be pretty easy to explain exactly why it isn't. Instead he is being ridiculous & calling us kids who look up our info on wiki. Is that a joke? Do you really thinkthat i would look at wiki for info on weed?? Lol, c'mon
& since when does an f1 hybrid need to be pure sativA & indica landrace? Who the hell ever heard of that. If you are trying to discover an entire new strain that would be ideal, but clearly Rez isn't doing that. They just need to b from different families & you get an f1 hybrid. Look at how many f1 hybrids seedbanks sell, none if those are landrace crosses.
This shit is getting hilarious, we def struck a nerve in rez. Clearly we are onto something here, otherwise he would argue with some facts. Not accuse us of being kids that look stuff up about weed on wiki! WTF would wiki know about what were talkin about right now? Anyone who needs to put up such arguments is probably wrong.
Whil the lv420 cup is fairly impressive, Listing contests won def ain't convincing me of anything. Besides for the fact thats more of a growers contest. Did you grow the entry? I bet that if those strains were all grown by the same grower the ecsd would beat the strawberry. I've never puffed your strawberry so I can't say for sure but are you saying that your strawberry is better than the orig ecsd clone ?
So far Rez you've done nothing even close to make me think it's not an f1. What's with the list of stages of how you make the ibl, how did you use the sour diesel ibl to make your sour diesel ibl?
Have you seen any of these new sour & chem crosses the northeast kids are puttin out? What do you think of those crosses?
WhiteMountain
Member
That's 2 grams a watt, or a gram a watt a month.
It's possible & totally doable, anyone who says it's not doesn't know what they're talking about. Just because you haven't done it, doesn't mean that it's impossible.
A gram a watt per month should be the goal if every growroom! I've never hit the full 2 grams a watt but I've come close s couple times & have consistently pulled just under that, aroundn1.5
First of all what did you get admin because you just could'nt answer our questions, therefore getting nervous? My little sister use to go get my mother too. Never meant she was right. Also I still think your claims are crazy. I was just being respectful when you could'nt. One of us has to be an adult. And if I have to. It's ok Rez. Also its kinda funny everyone is talking crap. But none are willing to put their cut next to ours. Hmm, Why could that be, is it because people know the original/real cut is going to dominate any of Rezdog's crosses. And still all this diversion from Rez has not once gotten us closer to weather it is an IBL let alone how. So what's the prize male? That's the real question that you don't want out. Or else it would be so easy to prove it's an IBL and that would be better for business than insulting us. Infact I have some snowdawg right here. And well it works. but... Also one last thing. Subcool does make his customers feel confident with what they will be getting. And that is by explaining what made his strains what they are. Instead of simply stating I won a cup with this. And expecting us to want it. lol....Ah,look how they line right up like good little boys and snap back in line when Admin pops in....
Also if you listened to W.M. he already stated he has documented this. And how does this sound. He is a good friend of mine. And I know for a fact he is telling the truth. In all the time I have known him, Never once did he ever brag to me about anything. He is actually very humble. But when people start saying things that are just crazy. Well then he has to give his opinion. Just look at the first post. It started " I havent posted since 04, But I feel I feel there are crazy claims going on here" So how is that anything other than what I said. And if he was a member before BIO. How could BIO have made him up? No wonder you all like the lemon head, soon to have MSG sour diesel.
