Sour Diesel Vs. New York City Diesel

[Weed-Luver]

somewhere between my last post here and now i got lost..Liven explain to me how rez's sd ibl is an f1..would it have been more of an ibl if he reversed the clone to find a male seed then used it on the original clone?
i grew his sd ibl it was pretty uniform and def. headie..i got nothing sour perse' mostly burnt rubber some fuel but nothing lip smackin' sour//maybe i need another pack..it was pretty damn good tho..my only problem is the price, i mean it's almost cheaper for me drive to a legal state and have a relative buy me clones..actually it is...i never tried the clone either so comparison is out..
Damn Crave sweet looking plants you got there..

 

[WhiteMountain]

Ok if your saying sour for the buzz & nycd for te flavor you clearly have not had the real ecsd clone.
If it's not lip- ssmacking & super delicious is ain't the sour d. Ecsd is the most delicious cannabis in the world. The flavor is so strong & the aftertaste is just the best. I've smoked some great nycd samples but bone of them even come close to the ecsd as far as flavor or high.
The other thing is the yield on the real ecsd clone is totally huge! If dine proper it grows giant dense sour colas that r incredible. Biggest yields I've ever seen by far, I've gotten well over 3 lbs a light a bunch of times, consistently well over 2. My boy in vt pulle 13.5 lbs off 50 plants & 3k. That's 4.1 elbows a light! What other strain can u pull that while pulling down top quality, best in the world type shit?
I've never seen anyone even come close to that with nycd, I've seen people do it w the real NY diesel (from NYC not Amsterdam)
The ecsd clone is just the best,& clearly rez's aren't touching it for yield r flavor or high

 

[Bi0hazard]

somewhere between my last post here and now i got lost..Liven explain to me how rez's sd ibl is an f1..would it have been more of an ibl if he reversed the clone to find a male seed then used it on the original clone?
i grew his sd ibl it was pretty uniform and def. headie..i got nothing sour perse' mostly burnt rubber some fuel but nothing lip smackin' sour//maybe i need another pack..it was pretty damn good tho..my only problem is the price, i mean it's almost cheaper for me drive to a legal state and have a relative buy me clones..actually it is...i never tried the clone either so comparison is out..
Damn Crave sweet looking plants you got there..

The Sour Diesel has a very specific (Sour/Chem '91/Skunk) funk - Unmistakable. If you have access to the actual ECSD clone, I would highly recommend grabbing that - It will always produce the wanted results and may be some of the best weed you ever smoke bar none. I agree with WhiteMountain though - Sour Diesel is Lipsmacking good, I enjoy the NYCD taste a lot, but if I could have one taste pallet in my mouth all day it would be Sour Diesel. Although, I always appreciate the vast amounts of other great smells and tastes in Cannabis, Sour Diesel is very very special.

But, if you have access to the cut - what are you waiting for. It's one of the best specimens of cannabis ever. Just make sure you check dispensary reviews for the ECSD to make sure its the original cut. Like many strains there are lots of non-originals floating around, going to review websites should help you choose the best location to get it.

Dank Regards,
Bi0hazard

 

[Stray]

love them both to bits!!

 

[Weed-Luver]

The Sour Diesel has a very specific (Sour/Chem '91/Skunk) funk - Unmistakable. If you have access to the actual ECSD clone, I would highly recommend grabbing that - It will always produce the wanted results and may be some of the best weed you ever smoke bar none. I agree with WhiteMountain though - Sour Diesel is Lipsmacking good, I enjoy the NYCD taste a lot, but if I could have one taste pallet in my mouth all day it would be Sour Diesel. Although, I always appreciate the vast amounts of other great smells and tastes in Cannabis, Sour Diesel is very very special.

But, if you have access to the cut - what are you waiting for. It's one of the best specimens of cannabis ever. Just make sure you check dispensary reviews for the ECSD to make sure its the original cut. Like many strains there are lots of non-originals floating around, going to review websites should help you choose the best location to get it.

Dank Regards,
Bi0hazard

i wish.. i lve in a non mmj state down south and don't know a soul..my family lives in colorado and some are mmj compliant..do you think the real ECSD resides there at dispenceraries.. i could possibly obtain that way..my sis got me my ogk clne from a client there..sounds like i would be heaven...really i just need to move back home..if the housing market didn't crash and i could sell my house here i would..
thank you for the info..so no matter how many packs of sdibl i buy nothing will be close..why does weed have to be illegal...

 

[Bi0hazard]

i wish.. i lve in a non mmj state down south and don't know a soul..my family lives in colorado and some are mmj compliant..do you think the real ECSD resides there at dispenceraries.. i could possibly obtain that way..my sis got me my ogk clne from a client there..sounds like i would be heaven...really i just need to move back home..if the housing market didn't crash and i could sell my house here i would..
thank you for the info..so no matter how many packs of sdibl i buy nothing will be close..why does weed have to be illegal...

I'm sure you should be able to find the Origianl ECSD cut, or at least Riri or clones that originally came from seed at dispensaries in CO.

It is absolutely possible to get a very strong ECSD expression in seeds. I got one that completely carried the smell/taste in an Alpha Diesel Pack, although the high died off after 45 mins or so.

It is a matter of how something was bred, which isn't fully public for the SD IBL. It can take a pool of seeds to find the pheno you are looking for in different packs. It all depends, no one is saying its impossible to find something very close or indistinguishable from the cut.

However, if you have family who have access to any dispensary in CO, you should look at their Dispensary review websites and see which places have ECSD that people left very positive reviews for. You should see a lot of people confirming that it is legit or not (hopefully accurately). I would say try to get the cut to you, they can be in the dark during which ever form of transportation for 3-5 days - no problem. As long as they have mist in a closed bag with a tiny tiny bit of water at the bottom. Rooted is recommended.

 

[2cents]

yes the sour d cut is common in CO as well as many wonderful others


I know many people would place sour d in their top 5... I can't say the same about NYCD

 

[CranAppleGemz]

.......My boy in vt pulle 13.5 lbs off 50 plants & 3k. That's 4.1 elbows a light! What other strain can u pull that while pulling down top quality, best in the world type shit?
I've never seen anyone even come close to that with nycd, I've seen people do it w the real NY diesel (from NYC not Amsterdam)
The ecsd clone is just the best,& clearly rez's aren't touching it for yield r flavor or high

its actually 4.5 per light....but whos counting...

smdh

 

[Liven]

somewhere between my last post here and now i got lost..Liven explain to me how rez's sd ibl is an f1..would it have been more of an ibl if he reversed the clone to find a male seed then used it on the original clone?
i grew his sd ibl it was pretty uniform and def. headie..i got nothing sour perse' mostly burnt rubber some fuel but nothing lip smackin' sour//maybe i need another pack..it was pretty damn good tho..my only problem is the price, i mean it's almost cheaper for me drive to a legal state and have a relative buy me clones..actually it is...i never tried the clone either so comparison is out..
Damn Crave sweet looking plants you got there..

No. That would be an S1, meaning it self pollinated itself. An F1 is when two different strains are crossed creating a F1. When you go into further generations of breading it goes up in number. But at F6 They will lose potency, strength and start to even mutate. But what you are refering to would be a S1. and then you have no clue what charactoristics will show. If a hybrid it could either be a Sativa Dom or a Indica dom. You won't know till they grow. But S1's are usually real headdie beans.

 

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

if you people are going to involve clones, it should become an original diesel vs. ECSD discussion. the seeds are not the same as the originals for either nyc or the sour.

Both are good, the sour never lasts long enough for me. Even a sickly delightfully grown sample I had "more fingers than you got" years ago. I was high, but it was a short ride.

 

[PicosPoisonftw!]

ecsd and any chem family strain you can think of is in CO. ecsd is probably in every state in america, just gotta find the right folks. Try joining your local norml chapter. For high I like giesel better than ecsd, but flavor the ecsd shits all over it.

 

[WhiteMountain]

That's funny you say that about the giesel bc I've heard it talked about so much but I've never seen a sample that even comes close to the sour or chem.

I'll explain how Rezs beans r an f1 hybrid. If you cross plants from truly different parents you make a true f1 hybrid. A true f1 hybrid Has little variation & the buds are almost uniform. So if you find the right male to cross the ecsd you will get uniform plants that r sour for the most part. Obiouvsly it's a watered down version, which exactly what rez's is. I would venture further to say his other strains like "exotic sour" r also f1 hybrids, just different males, different results. Honestly if it is an f1 hybrid there is nothing wrong with that. Why not breed w the best plants in the world? Seems like a much better idea than many others I've heard. Claiming it's an ibl is basically nuts, Rez is just crossing headies, all the real work was done years ago by heads in co, w mass & NY. These are the guys that actually selected the strains & then clones that we see today. They did some seriously epic work on this family, kinda shit a breeder like Rez is just no where even close to. I know the sour was made by luck but the selection of the chem family is just unparrelled anywhere.

& yes your right that's 4.5 a light, which is fkn nuts I still can barely believe it, but it happened & those were some of the sickest buds I've ever seen & def as good as any weed anywhere in the world no question. That's 16 plants a light, a little over a 4z's a plant. It's totally possible u just need to get every single plant perfect, & he did that run.
Did it with pure blend for base nutes run all the way up to 45ml/gallon, with hygrozyme & a stash of AN additives for nutrient boosts @ different stages.
You also need a sick strain

The other thing about ecsd that makes it the only thing I wana do is the fact that it's so easy to trim! It's a breeze to trim perfectly dense sour nuggets

 

[Bi0hazard]

if you people are going to involve clones, it should become an original diesel vs. ECSD discussion. the seeds are not the same as the originals for either nyc or the sour.

Both are good, the sour never lasts long enough for me. Even a sickly delightfully grown sample I had "more fingers than you got" years ago. I was high, but it was a short ride.

I enjoy your sense of humor. It's good to lighten the mood.

I agree that an Original Diesel vs ECSD or even a 707 Headband x ECSD thread would be great and more consistent for comparisons given the steady expression of clones. As I was saying earlier I had the same experience from the Sour seeds with the shorter high duration. The ECSD cut seems to last for at least 2-3 hours for me - pretty consistently with little tolerance build up.

 

[Liven]

ecsd and any chem family strain you can think of is in CO. ecsd is probably in every state in america, just gotta find the right folks. Try joining your local norml chapter. For high I like giesel better than ecsd, but flavor the ecsd shits all over it.

First off. C.O. does have a lot of S.D. But as far as every state. I would not give someone false hope. The name is in every state. But that does not mean the original clone is. Most of the S.D. in the whole world is a bean copy. There are states that the cut is more common. But again that is specific states. If you want to find the real clone only cut, I would suggest MA, CO,NY,CT,VT,NH. Other than that you might find it, But chances are its just a bean copy. I wish you the best of luck. Also I would not trust any collective when it comes to buying clones. I have many friends that have bought clones just to find them mislabeled, or even infested with mite's. they don't really want you growing it on your own. Or you would not go back. The only way to get a true cut of ECSD is by networking and meeting people who are willing to give away cuts. Just to keep the strain alive. Those are the ones with the real passion for the cut, and not a passion for "Transparency"

 

[Liven]

if you people are going to involve clones, it should become an original diesel vs. ECSD discussion. the seeds are not the same as the originals for either nyc or the sour.

Both are good, the sour never lasts long enough for me. Even a sickly delightfully grown sample I had "more fingers than you got" years ago. I was high, but it was a short ride.

I would agree completely. But the thread is to compare NYCD to SD. Now the real S.D. is a clone only strain. So this thread was made to compare any S.D. to the dutch worked NYC strain. But to me I don't feel it is S.D. unless it is the clone only vs. Other than that its just a sour cross f1.

 

[PicosPoisonftw!]

Giesel has a sick creeper body to it that smacks you after five minutes and keeps your head ringing. Its a sick strain. Id bet $ ecsd is in every state.

 

[Liven]

Giesel has a sick creeper body to it that smacks you after five minutes and keeps your head ringing. Its a sick strain. Id bet $ ecsd is in every state.

It might be. But I would bet everything I have. that it is not easy to obtain. I live where it was created. And still I only know a few people with the real cut. And non of them are willing to ever give a cut away. Think about it. The only people in this thread who know ECSD does NOT have a lemon head taste are from this area. Kinda showing that the ECSD is a lot harder to get on the west coast. And every picture of SD that has been pasted in the thread is a seed copy. So if it is that easy to get, why the need to buy packs of beans that will never stand up to the real deal?

 

[Weed-Luver]

WM,Liven,MBA Poison and anyone else i forgot thankx big time for the info..i'll make some calls back home..maybe even start networking TN a bit..although i'm pretty untrusting of people here..western boy in the south..lol..all the info has been great..
peace WL..

 

[Liven]

WM,Liven,MBA Poison and anyone else i forgot thankx big time for the info..i'll make some calls back home..maybe even start networking TN a bit..although i'm pretty untrusting of people here..western boy in the south..lol..all the info has been great..
peace WL..

Good luck doing what you do! And I am very glad to hear you talking about how networking is a must. Keep us updated.

 

[Bi0hazard]

WM,Liven,MBA Poison and anyone else i forgot thankx big time for the info..i'll make some calls back home..maybe even start networking TN a bit..although i'm pretty untrusting of people here..western boy in the south..lol..all the info has been great..
peace WL..

Definitely go with your relatives who have access to cuts, I wouldn't recommend networking in a non Medical MJ state in order to find the cut. I mean you can and it could work, but that is so much extra risk when you could just have someone you know and trust send you it and others cuts.

I say go for the safe sure bet, and have a family member go to one of the better dispensaries and get the real ECSD cut.