Sour Diesel Vs. New York City Diesel

[Iron_Lion]

Whitemountain, here is a piece of recorded SD IBL lineage and a link to the SD IBL information thread.

THE SOUR DIESEL PROJECTS:

1-Sour Diesel Clone x (soma's) NYCD = Double Sour Diesel (DSD)

2-DSD x DSD = DSDv2 (DSD was never released,only DSDv2)

3-Sour Diesel Clone x DSD = Sour Diesel BX 1.5

4-SD BX 1.5 selectively incrossed = Petrol

5-Sour Diesel Clone x SD BX 1.5 = Sour Diesel BX 2.5

6-Sour Diesel Clone x SD IBL = Omega Diesel (Very Limited Release)

7- SD BX 1.5 (selectively incrossed) = Sour Diesel V3* (Not a BX!)

8-Project SD1 (selective inbreeding) <not released>
9-Project SD2 (selective inbreeding) <not released>
10-Project SD3 (selective inbreeding) <not released>
11-Project SD4 (selective inbreeding) <not released>

12- X x X = Sour Diesel IBL* (Not a BX!)

https://www.icmag.com/ic/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1601578

 

[ShroomDr]

Way to hijack the tread with completely irrelevant semantics. Seriously... Rez said more than you have fingers, so that would have to be more than 8 either way. You didn't add anything positive to the actual conversation.

And this post adds what?

'irrelevant' 'semantics', two words that should never be grouped together.

 

[KITCHA]

Las Vegas 420 in Amsterdam? Interesting. Are you reffering to Dj's blueberry as an ibl? Grew a few packs plenty of mutants no berry to be found.. Maybe if you ask nice enough Coca Cola will tell you there ingredients and process how to make your own cola.

What makes you think Rez needs to tell you exactly what he has done to create his ibl? And if it differs from dj's book then it surrely can't be a true ibl? Thanks for your " help " discovering the truth mr 5 posts in 7 years and mr joined a month ago all posts ripping Rez.

 

[Bi0hazard]

And this post adds what?

'irrelevant' 'semantics', two words that should never be grouped together.

irrelevant in relation to the context of your semantic ego trip.
For you it seems semantics is more about just being oppositional for the sake of it, rather than adding to the actual context of the argument.

Again, Whether it's 8 fingers or 10 both show that Rez was disingenuous. So either interpretation whether 8 or 10 both provide the same outcome in the context of what was discussed. But I see you don't concern yourself with things like the context of what is being discussed, when you go on your oppositional crusades.

What really matters is what Rez meant when he said it, which is what was is in question (the only reason fingers even came up). And either way whether 8 or 10 it's the same outcome, but keep thinking you added something. And made some smart comment afterwards, when in reality your oblivious to your own obliviousness, mainly the context of what everyone else is discussing.

 

[Bi0hazard]

Las Vegas 420 in Amsterdam? Interesting. Are you reffering to Dj's blueberry as an ibl? Grew a few packs plenty of mutants no berry to be found.. Maybe if you ask nice enough Coca Cola will tell you there ingredients and process how to make your own cola.

What makes you think Rez needs to tell you exactly what he has done to create his ibl? And if it differs from dj's book then it surrely can't be a true ibl? Thanks for your " help " discovering the truth mr 5 posts in 7 years and mr joined a month ago all posts ripping Rez.

Actually Coca cola does just that. They don't produce the majority of the soda that gets packaged and sold. if you look on the back of the plasic soda bottles you will see the different packaging/bottling facilities they were made at. Each facility buys the rights to make Coca Cola products and gets access to the Gel/Solution that is dilluted into water to make the soda. They have to make the bottles, soda and fill them on site.

But that is different than someone Who in front of everyone here got caught being disingenuous multiple times. He even lied to cover previous dishonesty. That is public record. He claimed f10/f14, then got called on it and basically said: 'Oh, when I said it was f10/f14 I meant it could have been that if I had put in the work...' it seemed he was going around fudging numbers to make it look better than it is, again saying more Generations than we have fingers.. When he had to fall back and admit it was only f6/f8.

It's this level of open distortion, reworking his own story with more lies - and then using other reasons why he needs to keep his story secret.

Everyone knows the genetics of the ECSD clone - this isn't a secret.

 

[KITCHA]

Bio so you say coca cola supply a gel/solution, do you think they would give the manufacturing plants the recipe to make there own?surely not so why would you expect this from a breeder? Reservoir are a business and if every detail was given this could effect future sales, I don't think Rez is trying to fool anyone only protect his intellectual property/business

 

[Bi0hazard]

Bio so you say coca cola supply a gel/solution, do you think they would give the manufacturing plants the recipe to make there own?surely not so why would you expect this from a breeder? Reservoir are a business and if every detail was given this could effect future sales, I don't think Rez is trying to fool anyone only protect his intellectual property/business

As far as a company keeping their ingredients secret, that only exists during the patent period. Then Walgreen's, CVS etc all make their own version. But, sure lets say he wants to keep the process behind how he created his IBL secret, that's fine. That is a completely different issue than him making claims to make it look better than it is, that are unfounded, where he then goes on to change his answer without admitting to his disingenuous initial posts.

I'm not trying to make it a big thing or anything, it's just for some reason you are being hard headed about whats really at the core of the issue. Not whether he should be able to be secret about his breeding process, which is fine, but rather that he made dishonest claims about the process openly and then had to change his story.

That he would openly say "Even bred at 2 gens/yr both would be at f10/f14,respectively." then when called on it He said "The first post was a hypothetical based on if I'd done constant back to back to back inbreedings for that many years." - It wasn't even a hypothetical, Rez said "Sour D IBL & Chemdog have been inbred and recombined more generations than you have fingers." not "if I did everything I could it would have been f10/f14..." Big differences.

But w/e, I'm not here to continuously bash over the same thing - I just wanted to give some resolve to the people who were too stuck on semantics or other out of context reasons why they were not addressing what was being discussing.

But in Short, His secrecy has nothing to do with him openly making false claims, and then disingenuously changing the answers. If you can't see that, and want to still talk about the secrecy which is a separate unrelated issue than his non-secret false claims - You might as well have Aphasia .

That's all...

 

[REZDOG]

Actually Coca cola does just that. They don't produce the majority of the soda that gets packaged and sold. if you look on the back of the plasic soda bottles you will see the different packaging/bottling facilities they were made at. Each facility buys the rights to make Coca Cola products and gets access to the Gel/Solution that is dilluted into water to make the soda. They have to make the bottles, soda and fill them on site.

But that is different than someone Who in front of everyone here got caught being disingenuous multiple times. He even lied to cover previous dishonesty. That is public record. He claimed f10/f14, then got called on it and basically said: 'Oh, when I said it was f10/f14 I meant it could have been that if I had put in the work...' like Seriously, he is going around fudging numbers to make it look better than it is, again saying more Generations than we have fingers.. When he had to fall back and admit it was only f6/f8.

It's this level of open distortion, reworking his own story with more lies - and then using other reasons why he needs to keep his story secret.

Everyone knows the genetics of the ECSD clone - this isn't a secret.

BiO-Last warning: Shut the fuck up.
Your trite,silly ramblings are so full of shit your eyes must be brown. I wasn't lying or being disingenuous, I was illustrating that many many generations of the IBL Project(s) can,(by the calendar for you,numb-nuts),and (many generations) have been bred over the years.
I don't owe you exacts,(or jack-shit,for that matter) and Reservoir's year-in,year-out (Newest News: Reservoir's Strawberry Diesel WON The 2011 LV420 Cup two weeks ago!) multiple award-winning results speak loudly for themselves,not to mention 1000s of satisfied growers,worldwide,over the past decade-plus and their rave reviews.
Reservoir doesn't talk specifically about how the IBL Projects are created. The absolute specifics are Proprietary Information and aren't a matter of record.
Over the years Reservoir has happily shared lots and lots of information and been relatively transparent about a good portion of how Reservoir Does what Reservoir Does-more so than most,in fact.
Your "liar liar pants on fire" rhetoric is annoying,unfounded,and if you insist in trying to spin my words into something they're not,it'll be off to the cyber-cornfield with you,champ. Capish?



~RD~

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Well getting back on topic...... looking back I can see i was a little arrogant on my opinion of the nycd. So i'll justify my opinions..... I've come across NYCD maybe a handfull of times (handfull being 5 ) and i just wasn't turned on and brought something else. I bet that if i came across some NYCD from the right person then I would love it. Also, I'm guilty of having preconceived notions on Soma bc of what DJ says about him getting all his genetics from eugene, oregon and him not having a good reputation there.

 

[DrLongbottom]

This Thread is totally useless....other than a place to thank rez for releasing his version of sour diesel and making the original clone all the more valuable. DLB

 

[DrPoison]

Johnny, I can tell you that there are some very nice NYCD's out there. Matter of fact I know Cravenmore has an amazing looking NYCD (very SD looking) from 2003 seeds. Maybe he will drop in w/ some pics of her. I have grown alot of annaC's gear who was a huge fan of the grapefruit NYCD. Currently growing some of his old Apophis (ChemDbx2 x ChemDbx2 x Alpha Diesel) beans and have grown many of his NYCD f2's, ELE's (NYCD x Alpha Diesel), NYCD x Biko, and can tell you that the NYCD is indeed a very tasty herb and works incredibly well in crosses. Hopefully you'll find some that you like in the near future. Still waiting to judge the real ECSD clone for myself too. Peace.

 

[Bi0hazard]

Ya, what a free and open discussion... I guess posting actual quotes and holding people to what they say isn't tolerated here? Sorry, I spoke against the power-structure. My bad.

I don't have anything against Rez Genetics, like I have said in previous posts I have had good strong plants from his genetics. I was just posting actual quotes of discrepancies and responding to people who asked me questions regarding it. Why is the messenger shot for re-posting public record? Either way, I'm still going to be smoking the shit out of my ECSD cut and loving it.

 

[Liven]

That said,I welcome a good Sour Diesel/Chemdog/ChemFamily discussion-All the hoopla & interesting (and many-times-revised) stories are a pleasure to sift through just for shits n' gigglez.
Cheers!

Well why so defensive???

 

[187020]

soma's 2003

soma's 2003

the exotic sour

 

[187020]

rez DD from the initial cross

rez DD from the initial cross

the exra krippy

10pc hot and krippy

 

[187020]

east coast homies

east coast homies

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

My thoughts right now are this: :jawdrop:

 

[dramamine]

NYCD, a really special cut, strong rhubarb flavor and finishes in 52 days...and is an ass kicker.

 

[WhiteMountain]

Whitemountain, here is a piece of recorded SD IBL lineage and a link to the SD IBL information thread.



https://www.icmag.com/ic/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1601578

Ok did u actually read that? Look at # 6, he says he uses the sour diesel ibl to create his sour diesel ibl? How does that work?
& I gotta say, this ain't cokes secret recipe, anyone could just get the ingredients & make it if they released the actual recipe. This is breeding top qualit cannabis we r talking about here. To make an ibl you need tens of thousands of plants & years of time. If Rez actually has an ibl he should be able to tell us roughly how he did it, without giving out details like his male selection process(which is the hardest part of breeding). I understand some things I wouldn't tell either bc u inky learn them after yrs of trial & error. Do u guys actually think that other people could recreate that if he just told us how? It's not like we even have the same plants as him. Even w the same clines it should b almost impossible bc of male selection. It would take years. That is unless its an f1 hybrid, then anyone could recreate it. If it was just ecsd x big bud for example anyone could make it. I've made uniform sage seeds by crossing sage x sensi big bud male. I crossed em just for shits bc I hit all my strains w the bb pollen that run. The sage seeds came out fkn awesome. Every single one of em tasted exactly like perfect spicy & sweet sage. They all had the same giant pinecone cola too. Everyone I gave those too loved em so much. I coulda called it trainwreck ibl & everyone wouldnbelieve me bc it was so dank , but that doest mean it's really an ibl. People can call shit whatever they want, but that doesn't make it so.

I didn't realize it was a Vegas cup, which I gotta say is def more impressive than anything in Amsterdam. Although Vegas bud is better than amsterdam it still ain't got shit on the northeast sour/chem & skunk lines. Everyone who grows in vegas thinks their bud is the absolute shit but I def wasn't that impressed. Again, nothing that even comes close to the sour & chem dawg that comes around ne.
But yea Rez, congrats on that win that's a good one. Who grew the weed? Did reservoir actually grow it?

Again, Rez beans r straight. I actuKky suggested someone to buy them today bc they r the only seeds that I know of that are actually heady weed. Im stirctly talking about his ridiculous claims about his strains.
U guys gotta c the new strains that r coming out in the northeast, like the candy chem & a couple others I can't think of. The whole family is just taking nugs to the next level. The question is whether or not this family deserves it's own sunspecies "kafristanica"

 

[eric stoner]

Sour D for the Buzzzzz!!

Nycd for the taste!!

thats exactly what i think , i grow the nycd , and the sour diesel , and they are two different strains
nycd : big yield and really strong (i like it) smell , nice high ( i feel like sitting in a bubble and everything gets damped)

sour diesel : hard and compact buds , srong sour taste and the high is bzzzzzzy