Sour Diesel Vs. New York City Diesel

[TyChe]

lol

 

[WPA]

The Sour d that I am allegedly working with is: {Sensi NL x Mass super skunk} x Chemdawg x DNL. The grower calls it East Coast Sour Diesel

Can anybody confirm these genetics, it is very much like any other sour d that I have smoked

Thanks in advance!

 

[hempluvr]

first find somebody that actually has it... then kiss their ass

ROFLMFAO

 

[Bi0hazard]

The Sour d that I am allegedly working with is: {Sensi NL x Mass super skunk} x Chemdawg x DNL. The grower calls it East Coast Sour Diesel

Can anybody confirm these genetics, it is very much like any other sour d that I have smoked

Thanks in advance!

Yes, those genetics are correct for the Original Sour Diesel Cut (Aka ECSD). To clarify the Chemdawg is Chemdawg '91 - which was originally the one simply named "chemdawg". But this is different than Chem D, Chem Sister, Chem 3, 4 etc.. Many say Chemdawg '91 is the trippiest and most heady of the chemdawg cuts.

 

[Bi0hazard]

I just have to weigh in on this. I haven't posted since 04 bit I feel like there r claims in this thread that r simply ridiculous.
First if all f10&f14 respectively? What the hell r u talkin about Rez? Do u think everyone is stupid or something ? Anyone that knows anything about breeding knows that u can't take plants past the f5 stage without losing vigor. This is why to really breed unmistakable breed a mother and a father line & then cross em at the f5 stage to make an IBl that still has vigor. This is why it's so hard to make an IBl, & no one but dj short has even come close to it. You need thousands of plants & years of time to actually do it. Rez claimed he had sd IBl within like a year of obtaining the clone, which is simply impossible. If your plants were f10's they Woukd suck so fkn bad, which clearly they don't.
Rez's sd IBl is an f1 hybrid, straight up.
If u cross to a different family & get a true f1'the girls come out uniform. All Rez did was experiment w males until he found one where the kids come out sour. Which is pretty cool but the claim of an ibl is simply unfounded.
He is providing a service to the community by hooking people up who wouldnt otherwise have access to the clone. But at the same time he is spoiling the good name of sour diesel. People now think sour d ain't that great bc there's all sorts of people that think they have the real deal but don't.
I was lucky enough to obtain the ecsd clone years ago & it is simply an amazing plant I'm every respect. It is the only plant i grow, everything else is just a waste of time IMO.
The claim that Rez coined the term ecsd is simply laughable. That term started on Phish tour to differentiate between the heady east coast version & the west coast super dense version. I got y clone labelled ecsd like 2 years before that article in high times came out. I was super stoked that the clone I had was named plant of the year. I cannot believe that Rez is claiming that, it's totally ridiculous.
True ecsd is some of the headiest herb in the world. U can def get it in mass, ct , NY & nh I know that. But even here people r starting to talk shot about the sour. There is so much imposter, watered down sour that It's really getting annoyed.
The high from real ecsd is simply the best. Super long and strong, it's also a great in the middle high, not speedy or couchlock. I love puffing it in the morning or at night, pretty much anytime & it's the only nug i haven't gotten tired of after puffing for 8
Years

Well Said...

 

[AWoll]

Well Said...

I dont think so...anyone can read wikipedia, if it is selective breeding that rez does its the same hard work that goes into for example: tomatoes... theres multi generation heirloom tomato strains that are breed and the seeds produce very similar progeny, with not to mention some problems once and a while because they're living matter and thats life. Its quite a claim to suggest the sd ibl's are a mere cross. Similar to Whitemountain i dont post alot either, but how can you come out of the closet since 04' with such an allegation? hmmm?

 

[Liven]

I dont think so...anyone can read wikipedia, if it is selective breeding that rez does its the same hard work that goes into for example: tomatoes... theres multi generation heirloom tomato strains that are breed and the seeds produce very similar progeny, with not to mention some problems once and a while because they're living matter and thats life. Its quite a claim to suggest the sd ibl's are a mere cross. Similar to Whitemountain i dont post alot either, but how can you come out of the closet since 04' with such an allegation? hmmm?

Because he is sick of breeders lying, and banking off of it. It must take a lot to get someone to post after 5 years of not posting. And he is also right when he say's NO known breader but D.J. Shorts has been able to actually succefully IBL a strain. But he has had time. Since his first release was in '81

 

[Liven]

True ecsd is some of the headiest herb in the world. U can def get it in mass, ct , NY & nh I know that. But even here people r starting to talk shot about the sour. There is so much imposter, watered down sour that It's really getting annoyed.
The high from real ecsd is simply the best. Super long and strong, it's also a great in the middle high, not speedy or couchlock. I love puffing it in the morning or at night, pretty much anytime & it's the only nug i haven't gotten tired of after puffing for 8
Years

This is so true! Nothing compares to the real cut. To say NYC can come close. Just means you have not been lucky enough to try the clone only S.D. But knockoff's instead...

 

[Honkytonk]

... And he is also right when he say's NO known breader but D.J. Shorts has been able to actually succefully IBL a strain. ...

You guys are funny.

 

[REZDOG]

Suggesting that Sour Diesel IBL is a "mere cross" is an absolute wackjob claim.
Years & years of selective inbreeding do not a "mere cross",make.
(They make an IBL. Duh.)
The statement that "DJ Short is the only breeder to breed an IBL" is a load of shite,& beyond that I shan't further dignify it with a response except to say that Reservoir has the RESULTS,posted en masse’ at IC,that prove that (silly) statement is 100% incorrect.
Sour Diesel grows like an inbred line because it is one. Period.
Folks with silly conjecture can keep it themselves or be ridiculed for posting fairy tales-their choice.
Results don't lie,but ignorant posts confuse the uneducated,which is a shame but typical for the Internet.
More Precise Tech Notes:
Sour Diesel IBL has been inbred up to F-EIGHT+ & Chemdog (D) IBL is currently at F-SIX. Not hard to do when you've had the Parent Stock & multiple,focused breeding gardens for as many years as Reservoir has had them.

 

[Happy 7]

Let me make this CLEAR,so even happy can understand.
Sour D IBL & Chemdog have been inbred and recombined
more generations than you have fingers.
No "math magic" here- At 4-5 gens of Sour D & Chemdog breeding cycles per year it's not hard to see how many gens they've been worked on. Even bred at 2 gens/yr both would be at f10/f14,respectively.
I hope you understand now.

More Precise Tech Notes:
Sour Diesel IBL has been inbred up to F-EIGHT+ & Chemdog (D) IBL is currently at F-SIX. Not hard to do when you've had the Parent Stock & multiple,focused breeding gardens for as many years as Reservoir has had them.

So, what was the 1st quote about? You make confusing statements. Be careful the uneducated masses might take them for reality.
Btw I have 10 (ten) fingers.

 

[REZDOG]

The first post was a hypothetical based on if I'd done constant back to back to back inbreedings for that many years.
The Tech Note clarifies exactly what Reservoir has done as far as "f,"x" inbred generations have been achieved thus far.

 

[Weed-Luver]

Suggesting that Sour Diesel IBL is a "mere cross" is an absolute wackjob claim.
Years & years of selective inbreeding do not a "mere cross",make.
(They make an IBL. Duh.)
The statement that "DJ Short is the only breeder to breed an IBL" is a load of shite,& beyond that I shan't further dignify it with a response except to say that Reservoir has the RESULTS,posted en masse’ at IC,that prove that (silly) statement is 100% incorrect.
Sour Diesel grows like an inbred line because it is one. Period.
Folks with silly conjecture can keep it themselves or be ridiculed for posting fairy tales-their choice.
Results don't lie,but ignorant posts confuse the uneducated,which is a shame but typical for the Internet.
More Precise Tech Notes:
Sour Diesel IBL has been inbred up to F-EIGHT+ & Chemdog (D) IBL is currently at F-SIX. Not hard to do when you've had the Parent Stock & multiple,focused breeding gardens for as many years as Reservoir has had them.

wasn't your sd reversed to find a male and the chemdog crossed to an afghani then bred back to the chem..i could see how the sd is an ibl but not the chem, being that it was crossed and then bxed...just trying to understand not mock, belittle or troll you Rez..i grew the chem ibl and although it was kill it wasn't real deal chrem either..i thought your sdibl was far better..
great work regardless Rez..t/y..

 

[REZDOG]

Hiya!
There's a huge sticky thread in my forum with ALL the Sour Diesel answers you seek,including how Reservoir has gone about the Project over the years.
Same with Chemdog-there's a comprehensive thread (actually there are many!) with lots of info as well!
If you have any Q's ask 'em over there and I'd be happy to answer after you've read up.

Thanks!

 

[Bi0hazard]

The first post was a hypothetical based on if I'd done constant back to back to back inbreedings for that many years.
The Tech Note clarifies exactly what Reservoir has done as far as "f,"x" inbred generations have been achieved thus far.

Come on. It wasn't a hypothetical, you said "Sour D IBL & Chemdog have been inbred and recombined more generations than you have fingers." not "if I did everything I could it would have been f10/f14..." Big differences.

Why even try to blur the lines in your response?

I don't get why you would..

 

[REZDOG]

Why not practice 100% transparency?
Because a lot of How Reservoir Does What It Does is Very Proprietary.
Why?
Well,if the info was public domain,then everyone would be doing what Reservoir does,then Reservoir would be at a disadvantage. Easy nuff'.

~RD~

 

[iSMOKE.KUSH]

Why not practice 100% transparency?
Because a lot of How Reservoir Does What It Does is Very Proprietary.
Why?
Well,if the info was public domain,then everyone would be doing what Reservoir does,then Reservoir would be at a disadvantage. Easy nuff'.

~RD~

couldn't we just buy a bunch of your seeds. make the right selections, and be doing exactly what you do either way? granted, it would take alot of time, effort, and money. most people can't put that much dedication into it, so kudos on that.

 

[Honkytonk]

I've learned something today...

- 'many, many years' means 8.
- 'more than you have fingers' means 8 or 6.
- Doing hypothetical math disguised as fact is not marketing math.

Thank you for educating the uneducated masses.

Oh, almost forgot the best: No one but DJ Shorts has ever created an IBL.

 

[Liven]

I've learned something today...

- 'many, many years' means 8.
- 'more than you have fingers' means 8 or 6.
- Doing hypothetical math disguised as fact is not marketing math.

Thank you for educating the uneducated masses.

Oh, almost forgot the best: No one but DJ Shorts has ever created an IBL.

Very true! Well as far as documented... My old partner has been doing it to afgan skunks since the 70's. So it can be done, But it takes many years. And did I read it wrong, or was Rez trying to say he created F12's. As far as I know past a f5 will start to mutate the plant. Some strains just can't be made into a IBL. Look at deep chunk (purple monkey balls) they can't go past a f2 without starting to mutate. So it not only takes years of work, time and money. But also many strains you just can't IBL.

 

[Liven]

I just have to weigh in on this. I haven't posted since 04 bit I feel like there r claims in this thread that r simply ridiculous.
First if all f10&f14 respectively? What the hell r u talkin about Rez? Do u think everyone is stupid or something ? Anyone that knows anything about breeding knows that u can't take plants past the f5 stage without losing vigor. This is why to really breed unmistakable breed a mother and a father line & then cross em at the f5 stage to make an IBl that still has vigor. This is why it's so hard to make an IBl, & no one but dj short has even come close to it. You need thousands of plants & years of time to actually do it. Rez claimed he had sd IBl within like a year of obtaining the clone, which is simply impossible. If your plants were f10's they Woukd suck so fkn bad, which clearly they don't.
Rez's sd IBl is an f1 hybrid, straight up.
If u cross to a different family & get a true f1'the girls come out uniform. All Rez did was experiment w males until he found one where the kids come out sour. Which is pretty cool but the claim of an ibl is simply unfounded.
He is providing a service to the community by hooking people up who wouldnt otherwise have access to the clone. But at the same time he is spoiling the good name of sour diesel. People now think sour d ain't that great bc there's all sorts of people that think they have the real deal but don't.
I was lucky enough to obtain the ecsd clone years ago & it is simply an amazing plant I'm every respect. It is the only plant i grow, everything else is just a waste of time IMO.
The claim that Rez coined the term ecsd is simply laughable. That term started on Phish tour to differentiate between the heady east coast version & the west coast super dense version. I got y clone labelled ecsd like 2 years before that article in high times came out. I was super stoked that the clone I had was named plant of the year. I cannot believe that Rez is claiming that, it's totally ridiculous.
True ecsd is some of the headiest herb in the world. U can def get it in mass, ct , NY & nh I know that. But even here people r starting to talk shot about the sour. There is so much imposter, watered down sour that It's really getting annoyed.
The high from real ecsd is simply the best. Super long and strong, it's also a great in the middle high, not speedy or couchlock. I love puffing it in the morning or at night, pretty much anytime & it's the only nug i haven't gotten tired of after puffing for 8
Years

He doesnt post, Because he is to busy really growing/breading. But felt the need to come on here because he heard of this crazy claim. If you guys can't see he has NO hidden agenda then there is something wrong. Just read his past post. Never did he brag, or put someone down and has been very respectful. But I know for a fact, He is one of the sickest growers around. And has a S.D. that will last 2 hrs. Infact he is the reason I gave this strain another chance. Until then I only had seed copy's. And was never pleased. Now I found a true admiration and respect for this strain. (Clone Only) And I have no problem saying it would put any of rezdawg's lines to shame.