sound proofing room and room design

[greenbeen]

thanks guys I bought a 10 gauge wire last night at home depot and only got about 1 meter. so not my plan is to run the wire through a cement wall about 13" thick right behind my stove to the bed room. I didn't want a risk of fire at all so I went bigger than I needed to I think... anyways I will be wiring up the timer board up tonight hopefully and I will just hook it into the stove and use the 240 volts for the lights and pumps not to sure how much power I can use with the stove on so right now I will only have flower lights and pumps on it. the breaker is 40amps now so i will have plenty of power and can always up grade the wire later.
sorry for the lake of photos in this post I just don't have a computer at my house or even internet.... so I have to use the computer at my work but I will be posting pics when things are close to finish so you can see my set up I think It will look good

thanks again for all the help guy just one more question when I splice the power from the stove should I just attach my new wire to the stove as well? like the red goes on red than both are connected to the stove ? than the red for the grow room just goes from the stove to the room? I have done wiring before but tat was in high school construction class so a bit rusty

 

[greenbeen]

oh and before I drill into the walls or fool around with the power I take out all my breakers so I know that I have no electricity in the apt so I cant get shocked.. one thing I don't want is a fire or to be killed so im playing it safe

 

[noobs1988]

10-3 is what people use for most ovens, YOU CONNOT SPLICE ONTO IT. The oven is supposed to be on its on circuit for a reason. IT USES A LOT OF POWER WHEN ITS ON. You need to run your own circuit bro. Go out then and get a few 20 amp breakers and some 12-2 wire. Or you can run a sub panel to you grow. Say 60 amp if you have an open space for 220 breaker

 

[greenbeen]

what I have is like a timer box thing so the oven will be on lets say 9 am to 9 pm than the grow lights will be on the other 12/12.... so what your saying is I should buy a 30amp breaker and somehow attach it to the wire I bought and somehow attach that to my other breaker box?

 

[greenbeen]

or would it be like this the power comes from my breaker to the sub panel than that branches off to my oven and also to my 240 volt timer? I think that's what you mean right?

 

[rocketman420]

no what he is saying is you have to run new wire and breakers from the box. the 10 guage wire you got is only good for 30 amps you will burn your shit down. don't try to rig up something you will get fried or catch something on fire. be careful electricity is no joke. like noobs was sayin get some 12-2 wire and some 20 amp breakers and run a few home runs. but then you need to make junction boxes and everything. you really need someone who knows what they are doing, if you mess one little thing up it will be very bad.

 

[rocketman420]

best thing to do is go to the hardware store or home depot and get an electrical book and read and study it very good and take every safety precaution. its all pretty easy but it is dangerous and you should have anything you do checked by someone who knows electrical. be safe

 

[Iffy]

Greenbean,
I second everything that's been said above - you CAN NOT fuck about with electricity, especially in your mums house. If the defecation hit the oscillation and the worst was to happen - you'd NEVER forgive yourself!
However, all that said wiring isn't that difficult. It's common sense. Get a book or go online to find out what you need but using junction boxes is dead easy. Always use the heaviest gauge of wire you can get and I would recommend fitting an RCD consumer box. This not only gives you circuit breakers for safety (water & electrical equipment!) but it also gives you control of your 'growing' circuit. You may want the ability of switching everything off with the flick of a switch for example.
Anyway, take care & best of luck with your growroom.

 

[greenbeen]

so that's what im wiring into.... than from there the other end would be going into a metal box that is connected to the stove plug.... I called my hydroponic store and they said it should be fine with 10-3 wire... so im not to sure what to think.... that box has like a timer board in it so I can run my flower lights at 240v and have the timer go on 12/12 while the other 12/12 I can use the stove

this is not my parents house its my apt I moved to a 2 bedroom instead of moving to parents

 

[rocketman420]

your hydro guy is stupid. you need at least 8 gauge wire to run 40 amps. you need to run home runs unless you disconnect your stove and put a junction box with a 8 gauge wire running to your room. do yourself a favor and read an electrical book. you have three people telling you its a bad idea. its like anything if your gonna do it do it right. if you do electrical wrong its bad. and those plugs are 120v if you wire those you will for sure burn down the building. the 240v plugs have horizontal slots on the plug. just do yourself and everyone telling you a favor and spend a little more time with a book electricity. I have that same timer running my 4k room and it says in the directions wire with 8 gauge wire with 40 amps max. a quick lesson, if your room tries to pull more than 30 amps of power that 10-2 wire will get so hot it will melt the plastic and catch anything flammable like wood on fire. its like a heating blanket they run max electricity through a wire and it get very hot, same with your situation you will overheat the wire and poof your getting arrested and sued. just be safe and really think it through. good luck

 

[greenbeen]

i was planning on just running 30 amps through that's why I only got a 10-3 wire, but if I understand correctly since 40 amps is going to the stove I would need 8-3 wire so there is no difference. so I will go out and buy some new wire 8-3 today and I will try and get a 3/4 inch concrete bit that's 2 feet long....

rocketman420 how much approx.. do you pay in hydro for your set up?

 

[rives]

Those receptacles are rated for 15 amps. If you feed them with 40 amps and no intermediate protection, shit is going to get really ugly when you have a problem with your equipment.

 

[greenbeen]

are you taking about the oven receptacle? or the ones for the timer board? because I didn't make that board myself I bought it like that on the wood

 

[rives]

I am talking about the receptacles on the timer board. They are all 120v, 15a receptacles. The oven circuit is 40 amps. If you have any type of a fault, the 15a receptacles will only be protected by a 40a breaker. The circuit protection (breaker) needs to be sized to the lightest-rated component in the circuit. You could install a small sub-panel between the timer and the receptacles - the timer appears to be a standard Intermatic water-heater timer, so the contacts are rated for 40 amps. You could then feed the sub with the timer output and break the 40a circuit down to appropriate levels.

I should also mention that using 120v receptacles for a 240v circuit is a piss-poor idea.

 

[sureshot66]

greenbeen, you need to learn electricity basics before you fuck with this, it takes some effort but stop buying shit and saying things like "attach it somehow" and READ ABOUT THIS..,draw diagrams but get this right 1st time..figure out how many amps you need, this includes lights,fans,pumps, EVERYTHING that will be used...and stop saying splice youre scaring people, you live in apt building,dont burn it down..there are no shortcuts with electricty...determine how many amps are in your unit total,how many youre already using will tell you how many you have available (use math) use the appropriate sized wire heres a wire size calculator http://www.paigewire.com/pumpWireCalc.aspx...build a sub panel bringing your avalable amount of amps to a sepearte panel,hence sub panel...build circuts off the panel,110 and 220 are wired differently,use the proper rated breakers, receptacles and wire for your circuts...it cost money and knowledge to do right, study this before you buy shit,make a list and do it right...ps you dont have to remove all the breakers just turn the main off

 

[rocketman420]

I just set up a new 4k flower room, framing, running power, water, hookin AC up, and equipment, I spent $9,500. that's only if you have the spot to put it. to procure a spot with bedrooms or shop to set up then add those costs. cost is about $500-700 a month to run. I just started to get my mothers big enough to get cuttings to start it. don't worry man I started with a 400 watt light and $700 to invest. I just got to the point were I am breeding and doing a lot of seed runs trying to make my own dank.

 

[greenbeen]

I am talking about the receptacles on the timer board. They are all 120v, 15a receptacles. The oven circuit is 40 amps. If you have any type of a fault, the 15a receptacles will only be protected by a 40a breaker. The circuit protection (breaker) needs to be sized to the lightest-rated component in the circuit. You could install a small sub-panel between the timer and the receptacles - the timer appears to be a standard Intermatic water-heater timer, so the contacts are rated for 40 amps. You could then feed the sub with the timer output and break the 40a circuit down to appropriate levels.

I should also mention that using 120v receptacles for a 240v circuit is a piss-poor idea.

this is what I was asking I needed things broken down more simply thank you and I wont be doing any more wiring because im going to get my coz to look at it and tell me what he thinks since he has wired his hole house up..

and Rocketman420 that sounds amazing that you are doing breeding I think that's what I will one day work up to do I think I may try some autos crossed with cheese and master Kush x northern lights, chimera s blueberry grapefruit, and his c-plus and see if I can combined those to get something good, thank you for the incite of energy costs, was that per month or every 2 months?

and this is my dilemma since I cant run wire really or I cant use any other breaker since they are to small I have to run it off the 40 amp oven breaker but still be able to use the oven when the lights are off. so a diagram would help me I know now that I will have to get a sub panel and attach that to my breaker panel... than from there it splits off? into one breaker for the oven and one for the grow. I have been reading a little about electricity but I haven't find out how to divert energy to a different place... ill keep on looking today tho

 

[Born Loser]

this is what I was asking I needed things broken down more simply thank you and I wont be doing any more wiring because im going to get my coz to look at it and tell me what he thinks since he has wired his hole house up..

and Rocketman420 that sounds amazing that you are doing breeding I think that's what I will one day work up to do I think I may try some autos crossed with cheese and master Kush x northern lights, chimera s blueberry grapefruit, and his c-plus and see if I can combined those to get something good, thank you for the incite of energy costs, was that per month or every 2 months?

and this is my dilemma since I cant run wire really or I cant use any other breaker since they are to small I have to run it off the 40 amp oven breaker but still be able to use the oven when the lights are off. so a diagram would help me I know now that I will have to get a sub panel and attach that to my breaker panel... than from there it splits off? into one breaker for the oven and one for the grow. I have been reading a little about electricity but I haven't find out how to divert energy to a different place... ill keep on looking today tho

you could buy or make a box like dxhydro's 'power theif' that plugs into the outlet, and allows you to run the stove only during lights out.

 

[greenbeen]

born loser that is exactly what I needed to hear but last night I got my one buddy over who is going into become a electrician and now he knows what I need and what not but apparently apt buildings are the worst electrical wiring ever and when we opens the main breaker box you could tell some amps were changed to 30 amp when really its only 15.... so I assume its like that through out the whole building... but he has figured out what I need and what and he is getting all the parts and installing something to make my grow safe so im happy I just planted about 9 seeds of cheese and 5 more of my master kush x northern lights: only cheese is in the picture as seedlings the other plants I have going are chemo, and blueberry and im getting a clone hopefully this month of green crack which im exited about 8 out of 9 seeds are alive, one I dropped and couldn't find

 

[noobs1988]

Can you maybe post pictures of what he did with an explanation if you could. Me knowing a little bit about electricity makes me curious.