Some people get it....

[Hmong]

So, while you may never have the opportunity to smoke a genuine, original Thai Stick from the 70s

shit like that made me start collecting...

that the weed you are smoking today is of a much higher quality than anything your hippy predecessors were ever able to get their hands on.

and that made me start with breeding

I'm generally a non believer of majority opinion and need to see proof first.

today you have 25% THC magnificent looking bud, that's bunk...
while a Hmong Hilltribe joint makes people scared of driving home.

growing & smoking through my collection over the years, I now kinda understand where those myths come from. That kind of herb can really get you with the creeper high, and since there is hardly a ceiling you can easily overdo it or have a bad effect as a first timer.
Good Thai is quite soft on the lungs, little expansion, smooth mouth, so you just keep on toking.
Some varieties are more visual, others more physical in the way they affect blood pressure.
Which means some can make you "trip" in a sense because your eyes are all swollen and vision becomes glossy and bright, while having your thoughts just firing.
Others will cause an overall drop in blood pressure and can just knock you out, it's that pale face type of high. You can often correct that with sugar, hence the munchies.
Also the Thai high is very long lasting, especially when you try to push towards a ceiling it will just stay for hours.

Now imagine how little information and knowledge people back in the day had.
Of course someone being used to Mex brick, would have his head blown off from stick and claimed some lacing with acid or opium. Depending on the type of bad trip they experienced.
Just because it was so much different from what was known as weed, at the time.

As someone who did both acid and opium before, I can see why people would claim certain things. But still there's no reefer madness, nor madness reefer, just weak individuals^^

 

[moose eater]

You got the fakes because the Theravada Mountian Monks used the Opium for pain medicine in the 60s. The Elders used the medicine during the Vietnam War, Thailand borders Vietnam and it was bloody friend. There were more casualties in that war then people killed.

The "Way of the Elders" was limited because they didn't want to get involved in the war but their compassion did. When the US soldiers took leave from Vietnam they went to Thailand and used the sticks that become so popular. When soldiers started abusing the sticks the Theravada Elders stopped making and giving them away for medicine. After they stopped making the sticks, people searched all over Thailand and never found the real sticks again. Only Fakes.

We had opium-dipped Thai sticks wrapped in a sort of thin construction paper in about 1978 in Kodiak, Alaska that were presented by a well-traveled engineer on a crab fishing boat.

I've seen the many back-and-forths here in the forums, claiming there were -not- opium infused/dipped Thai sticks or other countries' sources of hashish layered or treated with such, but we saw it, smoked it, and, more so, enjoyed it.

Edit: If you look into Chiang Chi Fu, aka Kuhn Sa, and the opium production and marketing north of Chiang Mai back then, even 'retail', a half-pound of raw opium was relatively cheap in that part of the world.

 

[Hammerhead]

LOL, this again.. Normally no opium was added to Thai Sticks. Im sure some GI's added it but it was not for exported sticks. Most people today really have no clue how good weed was 50 years ago. The weed back then had a completely different chemotype not found today.

These people are doing valuable work. The public domain idea is very good. I've been into cannabis since late 60's, and just like the man says, Thai stick was easily the best I ever experienced in all my years:

Thast what ive been hearing as well. Its so sad

 

[Donald Mallard]

Thailand borders Vietnam?

Not when I was last there.
But that was decades ago, so things might have changed?

Traveling to Thailand from Vietnam can be done in one of two ways. You can fly from one of three airports in Vietnam to either Bangkok, Chiang Mai, or Phuket, or you can take an overland journey by car, bus, or train, passing through Laos.

 

[Hmong]

I've put the opium straight on the plant...

*click full size

 

[Donald Mallard]

We had opium-dipped Thai sticks wrapped in a sort of thin construction paper in about 1978 in Kodiak, Alaska that were presented by a well-traveled engineer on a crab fishing boat.

I've seen the many back-and-forths here in the forums, claiming there were -not- opium infused/dipped Thai sticks or other countries' sources of hashish layered or treated with such, but we saw it, smoked it, and, more so, enjoyed it.

Edit: If you look into Chiang Chi Fu, aka Kuhn Sah, and the opium production and marketing north of Chiang Mai back then, even 'retail', a half-pound of raw opium was relatively cheap in that part of the world.

this has been discussed and the myth dispelled a number of times on here as well as other forums ,
what ever you think you had , it was not made and exported from thailand ,
because they never made and exported opium laced thai sticks ,
im tired of explaining all the reasons why , so i wont bother ..

 

[Dime]

LOL, this again.. Normally no opium was added to Thai Sticks. Im sure some GI's added it but it was not for exported sticks. Most people today really have no clue how good weed was 50 years ago. The weed back then had a completely different chemotype not found today.


Thast what ive been hearing as well. Its so sad

Yes and I think we could go back more than 50 for the best of the best and the weed seems to get shittier every decade

 

[moose eater]

I've put the opium straight on the plant...

*click full size

I grew ONE crop of papaver somniferum down next to the Tanana River in the early 1980s, and bled the pods with a razor, scraping the scant amount of resin that was produced. I was a novice and they didn't do well in a primarily river silt soil base.

Neighbors through the woods, engaged in a rather silly rendition of domestic violence, smashing each other's cars with large cinder blocks, bringing the State Troopers to the wrong rural driveway (mine), and in expedience, not wanting to waste time as they weren't aware of the nature of the reported DV, parked at my place and walked RIGHT THROUGH my poppies, through the woods between my place and the frisky neighbors'. Bastards.

They managed to not destroy them, and more humorously, failed to have any clue what they were walking through.

Apparently, opium poppies in the sub-arctic aren't common enough for Johnny Law to recognize them when he's walking through them.

Any effort to grow them again, 40 years later, would require greater study on my part to figure out a proper soil medium and such. Though they flower on a long day rather than a short day, so arctic latitudes are in luck.

We didn't have Google then, or at least I didn't, let alone ChatGPT.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Yes and I think we could go back more than 50 for the best of the best and the weed seems to get shittier every decade

it was like a completely different drug to what cannabis is nowadays,
not dulled down with indica as it is now , delivering the same boring results no matter what hybrid ,
sure there are slight variations , but none take u to where they once did ...

 

[Dime]

it was like a completely different drug to what cannabis is nowadays,
not dulled down with indica as it is now , delivering the same boring results no matter what hybrid ,
sure there are slight variations , but none take u to where they once did ...

Yep,we went from getting high to getting stoned and now Ruderalis will f it up even more

 

[Chi13]

None of the Thai sticks I had contained opium. I have smoked cannabis mixed with opium and it is the opposite of a Thai stick high. Opium would have wrecked that.

 

[moose eater]

If the argument is that not all Thai sticks had adulterants, then yes, I get that.

If the argument is that none did, then I have my own experiences to rely on.

 

[Donald Mallard]

If the argument is that not all Thai sticks had adulterants, then yes, I get that.

If the argument is that none did, then I have my own experiences to rely on.

sure ,
but given the source of your adulterated sticks ,
you cant say they originated in thailand ,
or that they were adulterated there either ,

knowledge of the geography,
and the culture and people is enlightening in these debates ,
all those that have that knowledge ,, will debate the existance of exported opiated thai sticks ,
sure at some point it has likely been done , to the detriment of the cannabis high ,
but there was never amounts of those exported ,, it was just not commercially viable , nor was it any benefit to the cannabis , a total waste of good weed in fact...

 

[Hammerhead]

Fast forward to 1:18:12

 

[moose eater]

sure ,
but given the source of your adulterated sticks ,
you cant say they originated in thailand ,
or that they were adulterated there either ,

knowledge of the geography,
and the culture and people is enlightening in these debates ,
all those that have that knowledge ,, will debate the existance of exported opiated thai sticks ,
sure at some point it has likely been done , to the detriment of the cannabis high ,
but there was never amounts of those exported ,, it was just not commercially viable , nor was it any benefit to the cannabis , a total waste of good weed in fact...

I can accept most of that, yet someone, somewhere indeed treated those sticks with a blackish tarry substance, and the effects augmented the high.

Using stimulants to the nervous system in conjunction with depressants is nothing new. The classic 'speedball', originally laudanum or morphine and cocaine, goes back over 100 years, often used with untreatable terminal cancer patients back then, the one to counter the effects of the other though it wasn't referenced as such (speedball) back then.

And though going by distant and cloudy memory, I believe a half-pound of raw opium in that region I previously referred to was around $150 USD tourist price, though shopping was reportedly sometimes risky.

A former miner and dog musher from Tok Jct. who'd hit it big up in the 40-Mile Country, mining when his life was falling apart, was too greedy (or adventurous?) to sell his gold in Alaska and was flying back to Thailand to the infamous gold markets there, which went well for a little while. But then he was found deceased in a motel room in Bangkok, apparently having flashed his wares too openly in front of the wrong folks.

I preferred in those days to keep my experiences second-hand.

 

[moose eater]

Fast forward to 1:18:12

We also had the shorter sticks on Kodiak, sold by the bag or oz. I was selling some of those.

I threw paper airplanes with messages written on the wings, with a half-stick in each paper airplane, in the B&B Bar on Kodiak, on New Years Eve, December 31, 1978.

A 'protected bar' in those days, where fishermen not too uncommonly snorted coke on the bar surface on many occasions.

 

[Donald Mallard]

I can accept most of that, yet someone, somewhere indeed treated those sticks with a blackish tarry substance, and the effects augmented the high.

Using stimulants to the nervous system in conjunction with depressants is nothing new. The classic 'speedball', originally laudanum or morphine and cocaine goes back over 100 years, often used with untreatable terminal cancer patients back then, the one to counter the effects of the other though it wasn't referenced as such (speedball) back then.

And though going by distant and cloudy memory, I believe a half-pound of raw opium in that region I previously referred to was around $150 USD tourist price, though shopping was reportedly sometimes risky.

A former miner and dog musher from Tok Jct. who'd hit it big up in the 40-Mile Country, mining when his life was falling apart, was too greedy (or adventurous?) to sell his gold in Alaska and was flying back to Thailand to the infamous gold markets there, which went well for a little while. But then he was found deceased in a motel room in Bangkok, apparently having flashed his wares too openly in front of the wrong folks.

I preferred in those days to keep my experiences second-hand.

like i said ,
its doable , but not commercially viable , so unlikely just for that reason ,
the thai stick farming area was a long way from the golden triangle areas of opium production ,
just this would have caused a problem , given one product needed to be transported to the other , quite a distance ,
secondly , not the same people involved at all , they did not do business , they were unrelated totally,
and on top of that ,
the opium price , vs cannabis , was quite expensive ,, so adding that to cannabis , would have increased the price quite a lot ,


yes i know some folks say they paid more , but there is no evidence they werent just paying for good weed and being extorted for more using some wild story ,
i am sure that is the case here ... you know that sort of thing is common in the drug world ....

lastly , the effect of one , totally opposite to the other , overshadowing the cannabis effect , as though it was not even there , so crazy do even do it ,
no farmer would do that to such a good product ,, it detracts from it , it doesn't enhance in any way at all

 

[Jellyfish]

I have no reason to lie friend and I won't say another thing about it. I'm damn sure not going to argue with a civilian. I'm a Vietnam veteran and I was f__king there and have no reason to lie about this. Anyone that says different I know they don't know what they are talking about. I know for a fact what I said is true.

I think the issue here is what is "real" Thai stick. Creeperpark's story might be true, and for him the only real Thai stick is how he remembers it.
But it's also true that in 1977, my brother, who was stationed in Thailand, brought back Thai sticks from Thailand, they had no opium in them. Seems like for Creeperpark, that's not "real" Thai stick. But that was Thai weed, and it was on a stick, so to me and my crew it was Thai stick.

 

[troutman]

What kind of Thai is in Nevil's Haze that makes you whisper?

 

[Hmong]

What kind of Thai is in Nevil's Haze that makes you whisper?

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