Some people get it....

[Mimpi Manis]

These people are doing valuable work. The public domain idea is very good. I've been into cannabis since late 60's, and just like the man says, Thai stick was easily the best I ever experienced in all my years:

 

[Creeperpark]

The OG Thai stick was made by temple monks and they used opium infused in the sticks. Their weed was OK but not that great and that's why they dipped them in opium. The OG Thai stick was used for medicine in the villages. Travelers in Thailand ran across these sticks and villages started copying the true sticks. When the monks realized the sticks were being used for fun instead of medicine they stopped making them, however, the trend spread like hell and people started putting anything they could find on sticks calling them Thai Sticks which was a lie. Out of all the true Thai sticks made by the temple Monks, only a few people had ever really tasted the true stick. The rest were copies and fakes. Creeper

 

[Mimpi Manis]

The OG Thai stick was made by temple monks and they used opium infused in the sticks. Their weed was OK but not that great and that's why they dipped them in opium. The OG Thai stick was used for medicine in the villages. Travelers in Thailand ran across these sticks and villages started copying the true sticks. When the monks realized the sticks were being used for fun instead of medicine they stopped making them, however, the trend spread like hell and people started putting anything they could find on sticks calling them Thai Sticks which was a lie. Out of all the true Thai sticks made by the temple Monks, only a few people had ever really tasted the true stick. The rest were copies and fakes. Creeper

Am pretty certain there was no opium on the stuff that turned up in my part of Oz in 1975. Don't know about the Monks part of the deal? I'm sure they may have made med bud. Why would anyone go to all that trouble for export with no premium? It was already stellar world class equatorial out of Thailand. It didnt need no opium. I know the Afghans sometimes bulked out opium with pasawa waste from the opium settling process from earthern pots. (Scraped off the top). I had Buddha stick in Penang some French guys brought in from Burma border 1979 a few times. Same amazing potency. It didnt need any opium. Besides, effects were nothing like opium. I had access to quality opium which I tried in a lovely old addicts den a few times. Chalk and cheese. Most of the opium stories are more myth than fact from my experience. I don't doubt there were plenty of fakes, but why waste expensive opium on already outstanding bud?

 

[Creeperpark]

You got the fakes because the Theravada Mountian Monks used the Opium for pain medicine in the 60s. The Elders used the medicine during the Vietnam War, Thailand borders Vietnam and it was bloody friend. There were more casualties in that war then people killed.

The "Way of the Elders" was limited because they didn't want to get involved in the war but their compassion did. When the US soldiers took leave from Vietnam they went to Thailand and used the sticks that become so popular. When soldiers started abusing the sticks the Theravada Elders stopped making and giving them away for medicine. After they stopped making the sticks, people searched all over Thailand and never found the real sticks again. Only Fakes.

 

[Mimpi Manis]

You got the fakes because the Theravada Mountian Monks used the Opium for pain medicine in the 60s. The Elders used the medicine during the Vietnam War, Thailand borders Vietnam and it was bloody friend. There were more casualties in that war then people killed.

The "Way of the Elders" was limited because they didn't want to get involved in the war but their compassion did. When the US soldiers took leave from Vietnam they went to Thailand and used the sticks that become so popular. When soldiers started abusing the sticks the Theravada Elders stopped making and giving them away for medicine. After they stopped making the sticks, people searched all over Thailand and never found the real sticks again. Only Fakes.

Oh they were no fakes. Top shelf. I've seen and tasted the fakes. Not even close. Had virtually nothing since that topped any of the real Thai. I think we are talking about two different products. Likely out of different places and distributed by different folks. Our was just a hop step away.

 

[Donald Mallard]

The OG Thai stick was made by temple monks and they used opium infused in the sticks. Their weed was OK but not that great and that's why they dipped them in opium. The OG Thai stick was used for medicine in the villages. Travelers in Thailand ran across these sticks and villages started copying the true sticks. When the monks realized the sticks were being used for fun instead of medicine they stopped making them, however, the trend spread like hell and people started putting anything they could find on sticks calling them Thai Sticks which was a lie. Out of all the true Thai sticks made by the temple Monks, only a few people had ever really tasted the true stick. The rest were copies and fakes. Creeper

haha,
nothing of the sort at all creeper ,
who told you that rubbish , there is not a shred of truth amongst it ,
forget that rubbish man , no monks , no opium and they were produced for us , ie westerners ,
temple monks dont do shit like that ever , an never have nor will ,
just forget that and look to what some others have said on this site for truth rathar than the wives tales you havce been told ...

 

[Creeperpark]

haha,
nothing of the sort at all creeper ,
who told you that rubbish , there is not a shred of truth amongst it ,
forget that rubbish man , no monks , no opium and they were produced for us , ie westerners ,
temple monks dont do shit like that ever , an never have nor will ,
just forget that and look to what some others have said on this site for truth rathar than the wives tales you havce been told ...

I have no reason to lie friend and I won't say another thing about it. I'm damn sure not going to argue with a civilian. I'm a Vietnam veteran and I was f__king there and have no reason to lie about this. Anyone that says different I know they don't know what they are talking about. I know for a fact what I said is true.

 

[Donald Mallard]

You got the fakes because the Theravada Mountian Monks used the Opium for pain medicine in the 60s. The Elders used the medicine during the Vietnam War, Thailand borders Vietnam and it was bloody friend. There were more casualties in that war then people killed.

The "Way of the Elders" was limited because they didn't want to get involved in the war but their compassion did. When the US soldiers took leave from Vietnam they went to Thailand and used the sticks that become so popular. When soldiers started abusing the sticks the Theravada Elders stopped making and giving them away for medicine. After they stopped making the sticks, people searched all over Thailand and never found the real sticks again. Only Fakes.

thai sticks were also not made in any mountains ,
they were produced around the provinces bordering Laos,
along the mekong,
its best u learn a bit about the country before making wild ass claims like you have made,

10 000 troops were stationed in the province of Udonthani , a place im very familiar with ,
in fact i just came back from there ,
the locals soon came to learn what the soldiers enjoyed , its rumored they spent over 50% of their wages in the town , of course one of the things they purchased was cannabis ,
its those very guys and their habits that spurred on a roaring trade in cannabis in the years after the Vietnam war,
you can read this history in one of the 3 museums around the town ,
some interesting history there for sure ,
its thought that was one of the places that first grew rice crops ,, over 6000 years ago ,
again information from another one of the museums ,
stop listening to wives tales and deal with facts please since u are a mentor ....

 

[Creeperpark]

You people, are still trying to profit off those Thai sticks and Thai weed. Give me a break friend that's what this is about anyway. I'm out of here.

 

[Donald Mallard]

You people, are still trying to profit off those Thai sticks and Thai weed. Give me a break friend that's what this is about anyway. I'm out of here.

what ever you saw , and were told ,
is not what others refer to as thai sticks it seems ,
and no monks made them either , u didnt see that right??
you were just told ....
the thai sticks everyone refers to were made around where i said ,
but cannabis farmers , not monks , monks dont do that sort of stuff at all ,

who makes money from thai sticks?? no one i know ,
no one these days , some folks sell seed and claim to be thai stick seed ,
i dont ...

 

[Donald Mallard]

Am pretty certain there was no opium on the stuff that turned up in my part of Oz in 1975. Don't know about the Monks part of the deal? I'm sure they may have made med bud. Why would anyone go to all that trouble for export with no premium? It was already stellar world class equatorial out of Thailand. It didnt need no opium. I know the Afghans sometimes bulked out opium with pasawa waste from the opium settling process from earthern pots. (Scraped off the top). I had Buddha stick in Penang some French guys brought in from Burma border 1979 a few times. Same amazing potency. It didnt need any opium. Besides, effects were nothing like opium. I had access to quality opium which I tried in a lovely old addicts den a few times. Chalk and cheese. Most of the opium stories are more myth than fact from my experience. I don't doubt there were plenty of fakes, but why waste expensive opium on already outstanding bud?

yep sounds accurate to me lj,
i mean if they were treating people medicinally ,, why use cannabis with opium on it ,
why not just give them opium , since the weed was of no use with opium added to it ,
or just weed ,
i think old mate is a bit mixed up ,
mountains with monks just across the border from vietnam , there isnt any ,
the base was in Udonthani , yes they had cannabis , but no mountain monks adding opium to thai sticks to treat folks ....
opium was illegal too ,, why would monks be messing with an illegal product and distributing it , sounds pretty dubious to me ,,, maybe some peoples memories are not so accurate after 50 plus years ....

 

[Creeperpark]

Heres another one making money off the hill tribes' Monks' Thai stick. Today its all about making money on the name and not the original stick.

The History of the Thai Stick

Artisan Canna Cigars was created by my partner Nathan and myself, only after acknowledging how much we could accomplish by working together within this amazing way of life. It developed into something much greater than we could've anticipated or imagined. A year and over 50 collaborations later...

hightimes.com

 

[Donald Mallard]

he has it wrong too ,,
mentions thai stick grown by hill tribes in the north east,
north sure , north east no , (the hmong hill tribes are in the northern parts of thailand ,
you can see plenty of them around places like Chang Mai) ,
and if they were growing cannabis ,, they were subsistence farmers ,
they did not grow commercial quantity or were they famous for thai stick ....

ironically , he goes on to mention a book about smugglers ,
who say anything to do with opium on thai sticks is just urban myth and it never happened ...
and they dont mention getting any quantities from any hill tribe people around Udon ,
but they mention Udon regularly as a source of their thai stick ...

many people made money from thai sticks ,
the westerners much more than any thais made ,
they even made up stories about opiated sticks in order to capitalize even further ..

 

[Creeperpark]

Here's another one that will tell it like it was if anyone is interested. Man, I can't believe people are still playing the same tune that was played back in the ole days. Read for your self. MONEY MONEY MONEY

Where Does Original Thai Stick Weed Come From?

Thai Sticks are some of the finest examples of an original Sativa strain, hugely popular in the 70's & 80's - We Look at Thailand and is Marijuana history.

www.marijuana-seeds.nl

 

[@hempy]

Marijuana Botany Chapter 3 - Genetics and Breeding of Cannabis

n) Southeast Asia - Cambodia, Laos, Thailand and Vietnam (10 to 20 north latitude)
Since American troops first returned from the war in Vietnam, the Cambodian, Laotian, Thai, and
Vietnamese strains have been regarded as some of the very finest in the world. Currently most Southeast
Asian Cannabis is produced in northern and eastern Thailand. Until recent times, Cannabis farming has
been a cottage industry of the northern mountain areas and each family grew a small garden. The pride of a farmer in his crop was reflected in the high quality and seedless nature of each carefully wrapped Thai stick.



Due largely to the craving of Americans for exotic marijuana, Cannabis cultivation has become a
big business in Thailand and many farmers are growing large fields of lower quality Cannabis in the
eastern lowlands. It is suspected that other Cannabis strains, brought to Thailand to replenish local strains and begin large plantations, may have hybridized with original Thai strains and altered the resultant genetics. Also, wild stands of Cannabis may now be cut and dried for export.

Strains from Thailand are characterized by tall meandering growth of the main stalk and limbs and fairly
extensive branching. The leaves are often very large with 9 to 11 long, slender, coarsely serrated leaflets
arranged in a drooping hand like array. The Thai refer to them as "alligator tails" and the name is certainly appropriate.


From Rob Clark in MJ Botany.

Opinionated Thai sticks were real not common but existed now from what i managed to find and read they were dipped in a waste product called opium water a by product of heroin production.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Dont believe everything you read guys ,
its often exaggerated and embellished in order to create a "story",
in fact even more often the writers are just writing what they have heard ,
and they never experienced those things , or could tell you if their story is factual ,
and often it isnt ,
as with this opiated thai stick rubbish ,
no one ever went to this trouble ,,
the thai sticks made for export were produced in the north east and not by hill tribes ,
its a whole other part of the country and totally different peoples ,
but yea it sounds like a cool story so folks latch onto it ,
the same folks who probably love the story about father xmas , the easter bunny , and jesus ....
its a shame we have to relive this rubbish continually ,
next thing we will have to go through the perennial cannabis crap again , sheez ...

 

[Donald Mallard]

i mean take a look at this quote from the story relayed above for instance ...

So, while you may never have the opportunity to smoke a genuine, original Thai Stick from the 70s - you can at least take solace in the fact that the cannabis industry has come a long way since then and that the weed you are smoking today is of a much higher quality than anything your hippy predecessors were ever able to get their hands on.

 

[Donald Mallard]

i could totally pick that whole page apart ,
picking out all the holes in it ,
as well as i could with the story hempy has shared as though its a fact ,
these are stories guys and you both should be too old and know better ,
sadly you dont ...

 

[Taima-da]

You got the fakes because the Theravada Mountian Monks used the Opium for pain medicine in the 60s. The Elders used the medicine during the Vietnam War, Thailand borders Vietnam and it was bloody friend. There were more casualties in that war then people killed.

Thailand borders Vietnam?

Not when I was last there.
But that was decades ago, so things might have changed?

 

[Dime]

Dont believe everything you read guys ,
its often exaggerated and embellished in order to create a "story",
in fact even more often the writers are just writing what they have heard ,
and they never experienced those things , or could tell you if their story is factual ,
and often it isnt ,
as with this opiated thai stick rubbish ,
no one ever went to this trouble ,,
the thai sticks made for export were produced in the north east and not by hill tribes ,
its a whole other part of the country and totally different peoples ,
but yea it sounds like a cool story so folks latch onto it ,
the same folks who probably love the story about father xmas , the easter bunny , and jesus ....
its a shame we have to relive this rubbish continually ,
next thing we will have to go through the perennial cannabis crap again , sheez ...

I have heard the monk/opium story before here and there over the years,I'm not here to argue or debunk it but just to relate my experience. In my youth I smoked Thai and Asian weed a few times,(well before Indica got into the current gene pool ) as it was only around my area few times,and I still remember the buzz was really up high,speedy, very clear and anxious and a cple of my friends even found it scary or unpleasant, I have smoked opium that I bought at a Stones concert in Pontiac Mich and it was a confused,constipating ,dreamy,decreased awareness,sleeper like experience just like morphine and just the opposite of the real deal Thai. JMO