soil remineralization: process and discussion

[GetUpStandUp]

Yes if your p is to high over 6 your micro hurd will die off from starvation since the plant stops sharing carbs for p it get it for free from you, you can get near as good of anything without the mycorrhizae, or the correct balance of gypsum, limestone, calcium,, and phosphate, teas are a necessity as they re populate dead micro life with freash new life to keep a constant system going. Using hardwood non dye mulch as a 2 inch top dress is almost a must as it gives housing to micro life, it stops fast evaporation giving micros longer life. Look into high brix methods of growing if your organic, the results are ten fold in comparison to just organics with common amendments like greensand, azomite, etc. not saying they are bad, just you get bout 10% out of what you can actually achieve from mixing in correct ratios, depending on strain or genetics. The bar is way higher than we think, we are so stuck on synthetic ferts we forgotten bout nature, plants, and all life use to be huge because of the mass minerals available then, now its all depleted, and we failed to understand this major significance to life as a whole. Just take the best soil sold for growing, you can barely make it alone thru flower with out adding, so what does this tell us, when just by adding minerals changes the whole picture. Its about more than understanding minerals, its mycorrhizae, timing, of break down, using nature to work with itself to gain ten time more than any man made thing, even Hydro! Nice to see us getting on track and educating ourselves back to where we should be. Sorry for you organic growers out there who cant see this, even tho some have major nice grows, learning hi brix will only make you ten times better, and easier, because your not doing the work the micro are your just supervising, and adding an enviroment that can house the most micro life possible, you will see google high brix, and start some true growth! Good luck, and nice thread!

 

[GetUpStandUp]

Also look into adding yucca to your teas, as when adding calcium that is used by plants in high levels it build massive strong cells, as bones in humans, when this happens you get very large plants, fruit, veggies, but as I am still in study of high brix I still am growing myself, but adding yucca makes the cell structure more elastic, which means more storage space which means more brix count, bigger juicer fruit/ ie buds! But this yucca teas is to be applied in a foliar spray and then enters the plant thru leaves, and feeds mirco hurd thru roots, and is affective, and is the only way this can work, and you must have all levels of rocks in correct harmony as well, hence the importance to have your soil tested to find your strengths, and weak points in your rock ratios, until then it will be all guess, but most would be tremendously happy with just the minimal results. Also a great note for you cigarett smokers out there, the yucca plant has amazing healing properties, and effects for quitting, something to look into for those who hate making evil killers wallets fat! Trust me I know its hard to quit!

 

[GetUpStandUp]

Also sorry for just jumping in your thread, and blasting off, its just your on to something, just dont stop there we who know about brix have already set the bar really high for pot growers now, and the most important thing is its nature at its best, we the people need this as government, and big pharrma is killing us thru our own ignorance. Thru phoenix tears mj oils have already stomped out all pharma pills, as the oils are already have cured cancer diabeties, and just about everything being thrown at it. I believe if high brix is ten times better product using its natural processes, and abilities, then the mj medicine should be even more powerful to cure the worlds most harmful diseases, hey its uncharted territory, and waiting for one of us to take charge, and find it, trust me big pharma dont want you to know, this is why this info will sound unreal, well if so research the mj oil there are plenty of testimonials videos that make your jaw drop at the healing properties, then research the governments guidlines called Codex Alimentarus, and tell me you havent been lied to on all levels, so if your a synthetic grower it should urk you the same bastards pushing the criminality of mj back in the day with big pharma, and corperate tycoons, are the same who fund, and collect from our current market of major ferts being sold! Just sick, Id rather make my own compost, find my own minerals, use mother earth around me, and produce a better me with healthy food, and medicine, not a pill that takes 90 days for your liver to eleminate that you took to sleep, but now you have the runs because its side effects! please, anyways I ramble, but this is how big this thing minerals, and amending your soil means, not just good tasty buds!

 

[GetUpStandUp]

Dont use doliimite lime, it will throw off your mineral readings stick to limestone instead, once your soil cooks, and all your amendments have been added, and mycorrhizae, and micro colony are in harmony, you shoul never have to ph, but if your adding, and adding, and not allowing the ph spikes to settle you will have problems, all things put into the equation add a situation, even heat, and cause ph issues. Let the hurd do its thing, just feed the hurd. The hurd is so strong of a power that you can harvest, and chop the plant, and plant a new plant in its place, top dress when needed with more rock dust mixture, and that plant will do better than the one before it, its all because the hurd is established, your mycor are bustling, and your just feeding worm poo, and organic mild ferts thats all!

 

[GetUpStandUp]

Oh and on restabished soils, mixing humus into teas is a must for continue of hurd speed

 

[GetUpStandUp]

Any ratio will help, but remeber mag is needed, but not in the amount of calcium, its a 10.1 ratio, too much phosphate can lock up others, so it is ideal to know your soil content before going crazy adding , and adding. The test I believe cost 60 bucks, and it breaks it down to everything you need to know any level of whats lacking, or whats abundant, also it has to do with how your plant reacts, as not all strains grow the same. The test is much to do for a common grower trying to just get some good meds, but Have you ever bought something that was kinda like what you needed, but you got the cheaper one instead thinkin it would be the same, well same thing if your reaching for stars, and want the most out of your work, then buy the test, save time, money headachs, and fine tune your work, it will only pay off ten fold, or you can guess, and accept everyone elses guesses too. If not it will be trial and error, and twiking, and scratching head, or you could just be happy with the minimal benifits as even those are big to not amending at all! Good luck

 

[ixnay007]

Any "doctor" that says that all disease is due to (fill in the blank) sets off alarms in my head.

Well mineralized soil is a good thing, plants grown in that soil are better for you, more minerals make healthier food, all these things are true.. extrapolating that to the lengths he has is just stupid.

 

[GetUpStandUp]

Easy partner, none should be called names as a school yard, this info is far beyond any name you would call it, its very dissmisive to say things like crazy, and stupid, life is alot grand-er than ones single opinion! Plus what is crazy is Hunter S. Thompson real life, as we only saw the surface of it with his life, most of his quotes from the Gonzo era til his death/murder were true as the music industry is exacty that along with Hollywood even being worse. Thompson himself was involved in major sick things only to be linked to by stories, like being a pedo snuff film maker for elite secret circles, playing part in housing kidnapped children around the U.S for elite ritual child sacrific, hey the man even basically publically admited it in the 80s on the dave Letterman show when he was twacked out of his mind on drugs, now thats stupid crazy even if its rumored, interesting person to pick to quote!

 

[ixnay007]

All disease is the result of mineral deficiency?

I'll leave it at that..

Otherwise, I'm fully supportive of people eating more fruits and veggies grown organically in properly mineralized soil. I'm positive people who eat a diet containing such things are healthier. I just think blanket statements like that are reductionist crap.

 

[SeaMaiden]

GSU, I appreciate you jumping in and offering your experiences, but the way you write is impossible for me to read. Whaddaya think about using some paragraph breaks so we can follow what you're trying to convey?

I won't get into the discussion of how what we eat affects our health, because the vast majority of people have some really weird beliefs. My mother is a PhD dietitian who raised me to understand that doctors are NOT food scientists, no matter how they fancy themselves to be (dad's a doctor, ya shoulda heard some of the arguments between them when I was a kid!).

 

[Microbeman]

Also look into adding yucca to your teas, as when adding calcium that is used by plants in high levels it build massive strong cells, as bones in humans, when this happens you get very large plants, fruit, veggies, but as I am still in study of high brix I still am growing myself, but adding yucca makes the cell structure more elastic, which means more storage space which means more brix count, bigger juicer fruit/ ie buds! But this yucca teas is to be applied in a foliar spray and then enters the plant thru leaves, and feeds mirco hurd thru roots, and is affective, and is the only way this can work, and you must have all levels of rocks in correct harmony as well, hence the importance to have your soil tested to find your strengths, and weak points in your rock ratios, until then it will be all guess, but most would be tremendously happy with just the minimal results. Also a great note for you cigarett smokers out there, the yucca plant has amazing healing properties, and effects for quitting, something to look into for those who hate making evil killers wallets fat! Trust me I know its hard to quit!

Which sort of teas are you recommending adding Yucca to? If you mean ACT, really the only ingredients which are necessary and effective are ones which feed bacteria, archaea and fungi [current science].

It is possible that yucca serves this purpose but if you wish to maintain the attributes of yucca to the plant, it may be better applied separately.

Also, can you quote any supportive literature regarding your statement?

But this yucca teas is to be applied in a foliar spray and then enters the plant thru leaves, and feeds mirco hurd thru roots, and is affective, and is the only way this can work,

 

[Microbeman]

Yes if your p is to high over 6 your micro hurd will die off from starvation since the plant stops sharing carbs for p it get it for free from you, you can get near as good of anything without the mycorrhizae, or the correct balance of gypsum, limestone, calcium,, and phosphate

I don't understand. Are you suggesting the use of gypsum, limestone, calcium,, and phosphate or are you suggesting not using it?

And, you are addressing this to 'organic growers' who theoreticlly do not use any 'P'?

 

[Microbeman]

Thru phoenix tears mj oils have already stomped out all pharma pills, as the oils are already have cured cancer diabeties, and just about everything being thrown at it.

Legitimate evidence please. There is a lot of solid research successfully using cannabinoids as an ant-tumor and this is very encouraging but there is very little hard fact evidence supporting the use of cannabis oil extract used orally as an anti-cancer in serious cancers.

On the other hand there is hard scientific evidence that noscapine, an alkaloid found in poppies (papavar somniferum) has astounding anti-cancer/tumor attributes when taken orally. I tried attaching a second study but the stupid 1MB size restriction....

 

[Microbeman]

Dont use doliimite lime, it will throw off your mineral readings stick to limestone instead, once your soil cooks, and all your amendments have been added, and mycorrhizae, and micro colony are in harmony, you shoul never have to ph, but if your adding, and adding, and not allowing the ph spikes to settle you will have problems, all things put into the equation add a situation, even heat, and cause ph issues. Let the hurd do its thing, just feed the hurd. The hurd is so strong of a power that you can harvest, and chop the plant, and plant a new plant in its place, top dress when needed with more rock dust mixture, and that plant will do better than the one before it, its all because the hurd is established, your mycor are bustling, and your just feeding worm poo, and organic mild ferts thats all!

You are mostly preaching to the choir here. I advocated this style of living soil perpetual growing on this forum the first time in 2008, having practised it for 10 years prior, however, I only needed to use any rock minerals once at the beginning, thereafter using only vermicompost, ACT [and occasionally fish hydrolysate & AEM]

I'm not sure if you are inferring that mycorrhizal fungal spores are mixed into the soil prior to planting but just in case; it is best to apply the spores to seeds, cuttings and/or roots as the fungi will not sprout without root contact.

 

[Microbeman]

Oh and on restabished soils, mixing humus into teas is a must for continue of hurd speed

Humus, meaning? And from where? What is hurd?

 

[Microbeman]

Any ratio will help, but remeber mag is needed, but not in the amount of calcium, its a 10.1 ratio, too much phosphate can lock up others, so it is ideal to know your soil content before going crazy adding , and adding. The test I believe cost 60 bucks, and it breaks it down to everything you need to know any level of whats lacking, or whats abundant, also it has to do with how your plant reacts, as not all strains grow the same. The test is much to do for a common grower trying to just get some good meds, but Have you ever bought something that was kinda like what you needed, but you got the cheaper one instead thinkin it would be the same, well same thing if your reaching for stars, and want the most out of your work, then buy the test, save time, money headachs, and fine tune your work, it will only pay off ten fold, or you can guess, and accept everyone elses guesses too. If not it will be trial and error, and twiking, and scratching head, or you could just be happy with the minimal benifits as even those are big to not amending at all! Good luck

Some people seem to do well with the testing. My belief is that most potentially microbially generated nutrients cannot be tested through typical laboratory means. They are mostly able to test for available nutrients and not sequestered nutrients, especially using the crude extraction and reagents employed in cheap soil tests. I've also found big differences from one lab to the next. I have not used my soil testing chemicals for many years. [a waste of $2K]

 

[couchlockd]

what just happened?

 

[GetUpStandUp]

Hey sorry everyone, I admit I have no typing skills, and I promise to work on this, foster care worked wonders for my education I swear, my freshman year I went to 5 high schools, 13 schools total in high school, so yes I am not educated book smart, computer, or threads, so again me being adult set back from unfortunate events, sorry!
To answer your question Microbeman, yes I am adressing organic growers, only because its all over the place, little of this little of that, with reference to hi P on the npk just telling those who use guanos that are high in p will kill the hurd(mycorrhizae) All I am try to do hear is say how much closer organics is to high brix growing, and when worried more on the hi brix method you get more out of your organic grow, by just using the powerded rock mixes alone.
Because every fruit has a brix number, and you achieve this (high) brix by the ratio of rock powers, ie Gypsum,limestone,phosphate, and calcium, and yes a well mixed soil like the one you named works, as well as Just Right Xtra. No one knows what the ratio of those 3 rock powders are to get cannabis highest brix level value YET, as no body will report on it or admit to even doing it with mj, most mj growers are hydro, synthetic, and organic. 2 guys I found this info from are experimenting on what I am, learning myself, so nothing I say is exact due to learning, and the playing feild, as no one out there has a clue what I am talking about. Dont worry I made myself look like an idiot when first heard this method, as I was just perfecting my organic soil.
Yes mycor, comes added to my bag of soil, but I put more Trichoderma harz., and koningii, I mainly only used it for cloning, and transplanting, but I put it in the soil cuz in theory the roots will eventually grow to fill the soil space. But I could be wrong, but no bad reports, only good. For my humus I use just general organics brand ancient forest, good stuff.
As far as mj oils, yes tons of research is under way on many, AND I mean many other forms of disease, as a man out of canada Rick simpson I believe came under scrutany for growing mass plants in his back yard, and making the oils, and just gave em away to people with life threating symptoms of all sorts, he only did this because he had cancer lumps on his face, and years, money, and fail surgeries he acted on a all natural form of healing from old times, which is mj oil.
Since people have been making there own documentary videos of them using the oils, and bro its working, so much so the government, big pharma are trying to kill his testing, his is now got labs involved to start testing, so this info can be approved for us ppl to trust in it! I am not sale-ing anything here just relaying info as I learn it, this phoenis tears campain in my opinion, every grower, smoker, and dieing person should watch the testimonial videos alone, you will see what its all about. Try not to barf, the simple facts alone are sickning!
Yes I should be putting point of reference for others to read instead of trusting someone to google, so I went back to where I was reading bout the yucca addative, and What I was trying to convey was when using yucca, AS a FOLIAR spray only, this does something to the plant cell structure to become more elastic to hold more juice, hence brix readings, a way to gain more brix mass to your plant, when you overload the intake of calcium your plant cells are built huge hence bigger plant in hi brix growing, yucca is another manipulation of nature by building the cell structure will the calcium to make big walls, then soften the walls with the yucca, this is my understanding anyway, what levels, or mixture, I have no clue, yet as I am still saving for this kit that has it all with prcise measurments.
I also copied the site for you.http://tandjenterprises.com/tandjenterprises/category/high-brix/





Yucca Extract, 1 pint.
5 Gallon: Bucket, Lid, Filter Bag.
Modified Hose Sprayer, 1 qt.

How to use this Gardening Kit:

Prepare the soil by growing cover crops or applying finished compost.

Spray with Microbe Tea and till the compost or cover crop into the soil.

Apply BioVam onto plant roots and seeds when planting.

Weekly, brew Microbe Tea, add Yucca Extract and BioMinerals and spray on plants and soils.

After the 24 hour brewing cycle is finished, BioMinerals and Yucca are added to the brewed microbe tea. The tea may then be applied using a hose end sprayer. The tea can also be diluted 1:9 with water and commercial spray equipment can be used to apply the tea to Plants and Soils each week.

Application Using the Modified Hose End Sprayer: Put ½ gallon of filtered tea into a 5 gallon bucket. Add ½ gallon of water. Add 1/8 cup Yucca Extract. Add 1 cup of BioMinerals. Each quart of this tea will cover 340 square feet of plants and soils.

How this system works:

Nature’s Own Growing System Microbe tea makes the nutrients from the BioMinerals 2.5 – 4 – .2 fertilizer available to the plants.

After the second weekly spraying, the soil pH will go to 6.4 and energy available in the soil will be above 500 ERGS. The available mineral nutrients in the Microbe tea will have a strong buffering effect on the soil and the nutrients will remain available in the soil and to the plants.

With the help of the Mycorrhiza fungi and beneficial bacteria in BioVam, and the hyper active soil life biology and chelated minerals of our Microbe Tea, biologically dead soils can be revived, recharged and re-mineralized in 1-2 weeks.

Plants will grow to have higher brix levels and much higher nutrient density levels due to the higher production of plant nutrients and the uptake and utilization of those nutrients by the plants. The specific gravity (nutrient density) of these plants can be significantly higher than in conventionally grown produce.

Once the higher energy levels have been set in the soils from the BioMinerals energy sources, weeds will not grow. The higher energy levels will be in place by the 1st or 2nd application of the Microbe Tea to the soils.

By thoroughly spraying the dormant wood of fruit bearing trees and berry shrubs once or more with our Microbe Tea product, before bud break with only Yucca Extract added, the buds and blossoms will be protected from late frosts.

Plants will also be protected from early frosts with subsequent weekly applications of the complete tea, which contains Yucca and BioMinerals, from initial planting through end of harvest to plants and soils.

Even though BioMinerals 2.5 – 4 – .2 can be mixed into the soils at a rate of 1.25 cups per square foot, we recommend that you do not mix the fertilizer into the soils. Much higher nutrient availability and far less BioMinerals fertilizer is used by mixing the BioMinerals into the Microbe Tea with Yucca Extract and spraying that Microbe Tea on the plants and soils each week.

 

[GetUpStandUp]

Yes bro I seen your work good stuff, I am far from your caliber, I learn so much on a given day now but I am getting there. Yes the lab is a whole different world, I only suggest soil test to get the grower more on track with what he is working with, and to know what he all ready added. I chosen to excape synthetic myself, as so many points of reality tell you you can get better, or at least what you desire from nature alone, just dial it all in, because nature came first, and still will be around after us!

 

[GetUpStandUp]

Yes minerals are a must for all life even mj, the only reason I brought it up is we are all like mj plants, you ph is to high or low you will be affected, so you are what you eat, as your mj is what you feed it. There is no arguement, I am no doctor, scholar, or dietionist, just a joe who found a way to communicate bout things I like in the free-est of venues, anyone believeing me, or anyone else without your own research is foolish, empty responses to any point withanother point gets now where, on the other hand when my man says he cant read because my typing, I can adjust, and work it out, but making you understand me about any point is not my responsibility.
We can say hey this guy makes some sense, let me look it up, not, hey I have no clue what your saying, and you must be a college professor to teach, when all I am doing is relaying info, so sorry if its not clear, most of the time when I come to this bridge I just research about the subject then understand, then chime in, but hey no hard feelings, and lets smoke one he he!