Skunkman Sam's Secret Dry Sift 2009

[Mr-B]

If anyone has followed ganja din's posts they know he will discover the method. IMO the method he comes up with will rival the method being used here.


The man is a walking scientific book. I can't think of another person with his knowledge of organic soil and plant behavior in organics.
Ganja's on a mission. Anyone care to bet he discovers the method?
Just look at the ganga's posts in the organic soil forum. Heavy duty lol.


Peace all.

B

 

[ganja din]

Edit, typo: chromatype should be chromotype

Thanks Mr. B, I try to be helpful.

 

[chef]

My god man, a few days reading & yer an expert on this now too? lmfao

Stop fkin up perfectly enjoyable threads with your pompous bullshit, I've lost track the # now....

 

[chef]

If anyone has followed ganja din's posts they know he will discover the method. IMO the method he comes up with will rival the method being used here.


The man is a walking scientific book. I can't think of another person with his knowledge of organic soil and plant behavior in organics.
Ganja's on a mission. Anyone care to bet he discovers the method?
Just look at the ganga's posts in the organic soil forum. Heavy duty lol.


Peace all.

B

The guy is a fkin parrot...

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

GANJA DIN,
You may have not meant to insult me but when you say:

"What I want to know is where did the idea come from for Sams kif? I highly doubt HE came up with the idea all on his lonesome...anit gonna happen IMO especially that Sam is we'll versed in analytical sciences (GC, etc).

I would bet $100 he got his idea from scholarly lit (eg. journal articles). Especially in his own words [sic]"you can wait for my machine, or discover the method yourself". Let's not attribute this to Sam, until we KNOW it was his idea alone. It an insult to those scientists who (probably) came up with the idea/method."


I say to you I am a direct guy I don't make up fucking stories to amuse the readers, I have told many the same truth about how I found the method, the same for the last 20 years. I really don't care if you believe me, I can lead a horse to water but I can't make it drink. You ask me why the insults, well I did not even try, I just reflected your attitude to me when you said:

"What I want to know is where did the idea come from for Sams kif? I highly doubt HE came up with the idea all on his lonesome...anit gonna happen."

As well as:

"Sure ill pay you, once you prove I am not correct, which I almost think I am due to your obvious hostility toward me. And why the insults?"

First of all I do not need to prove anything to you, you are way off base, I don't care if you don't want to pay me for the bet you offered, and I took you up on. I did discover the method, and alone I did it, no help from any science, zero. I really did not expect to get paid by you, to tell you the truth, and if my word is not enough for you then why should I waste my time with you? When I said discover it yourself I did not mean in the science library, I meant making hash.

I hope you post photos of your great dry sift with your brand new methods, as of yet untried, glass beads or liquid nitrogen or dry ice, whatever. Until then my suggestion is how about you spend more time making hash and less time thinking you have already figured out the way to make dry sift that is 100% resin heads with no trash. My suggestion is to first do the work then take credit for the work and explain to everyone how to do it if that is what you want to do. I have been making this for 20 years and so far no one has even come close, but hey, maybe you can, but you sure ain't there yet. I will wait for the photos.....

PS Never used any glass beads, but if it works, great! I doubt dry sift can be made with liquid nitrogen or dry ice, but what do I know? Remember I developed this method 20 years ago, so any new tech from the last 20 years was not used by me, but who knows maybe it will work?....

As for BHO oil I know it is possible to be solvent free, but as I said no one has ever showed me a sample to test that was solvent free, ever. Although they thought it was, maybe thats because I have a GC?
Any way I don't like oil even if clean, it is just not for me.
I like dry sift.
-SamS

 

[Mr-B]

Hi Sam

Let me first apologize for not reading or knowing about last years thread as I wasn't around the boards back them.

If you don't mind my asking (I'm sure you said it before) why is your particular process a secret? Are you planning to patent the idea or equipment that produces the equipment?
I've never made hash in my life. The closest I've ever come to making hash is freezing my latex gloves after trimming lol.

I did smoke some bho a couple months back and I distinctly remember thinking how nice it would be to have a stash of it hanging around.
You guys are way to smart for me to carry on scientific conversations with but this thread has really peaked my interest.

Another poster mentioned that you discovered this method while in Africa. Can I ask if you were hunting or safari or perhaps you lived there.
I hunted Zimbabwe back in 2005, the outfitter had a nice setup however, dry ice wasn't used to store goods or drinks. So I'm not sure about the dry ice stuff.

Anyway, that sift looks awesome! Wish we were neighbors lol.

Take care,
B

 

[ganja din]

Ok sam

This is my last post to you. Your irrationality is laughable, almost as bad as your ego...

This whole time I wasn't really serious about the hundred. Wtf man? I mean sure I'd send it to you, but its more of an expression, which went right over your head and hit your ego (it seems).

I am not suggesting anything new in terms of methodology, extraction/isolation of heads has been done in similar fashion if you care to notice my references. It seems you came in here with blinders on and a preconceived notion, so I doubt anything I write will make it past your ego and to your mind.

I am happy you say you came up with your "secret" all on your own, however, I still don't fully believe it. And you know why? Because in my long life I have seen and read of rare instances where someone invents something without ideas from other sources, like journal articles. You may have had a flash of genius, but the odds are WAAAAY stacked against you. OTOH, I have run into countless inventors taking sole credit while standing on the shoulders of scholars who did all the leg work as reported in journal articles. And lastly, because of your attitude, if you really did come up with it you would probably not be mad, you (I assume) would just ignore my posts. Actions speak loudly my dear sam.

Why not patent the process, and then tell us how to do it? You've had 20 years to patent a process which as you claim, is uniquly yours, so why no patent? You don't have to wait for your machine, if I were you and I really came up with a unique method I would patent the raw process right away.

As to me concentrating on hash, not right now. You see, that shows you didn't read this thread with an open mind. I already posted why I'm not growing right now. Background research is required, that is what I am doing now. I don't just go off willy-nilly I like to know everything. I like to know the last minute detail before I begin with real word testing.

Your last paragraph also states your arrogance. I am happy you have a GC (I will have mine soon too hopefully) and that would not stop me from sending samples to you. I WANT to know if butane is present. Regardless, the point is fairly moot because I found a good DIY method to indirectly test for butane without a GC, or IR. Thus, after people follow my BHO/ethanol method they can test at home.

Its a shame your ego is so large, at one point (before we met) I was considering working with you in collaboration, as is requested on your website. But no longer.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

i wish my dick was as large as sammy's ego...

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Shame you presume to know if I am telling the truth about my discovery of my dry sift secret method. You just decided that you know the truth better then me, the guy who was there. I have told the truth, something you seem to have zero ability to comprehend, you are maybe to full of your own ideas to have any room for other ideas besides your own? I can't say why. Anyway I am not sure if your last post to me is a good thing or not, but maybe there will be peace and love again in this thread?
And we can get back to the subject,
-SamS

 

[Green Supreme]

Din perhaps you could try having a little respect for someone who has actually done a lot of the thing that you are only discussing. You are treating the man like he's the newb and you the expert. Little more show from you might help, with a little less talk. Good luck with whatever it is you are trying to do. Peace GS

 

[ganja din]

GS,

I never once stated for sure, I always left wiggle room with my wording like "I assume this is his method", or probably, etc. And I was always playful about it, not taking it seriously at all, until he posted...

Respect goes both ways. If sam had not gone after me in the first post I would have treated him differently. He was acting like a newb so that's how he got treated. I don't respect the name, I respect the person, thus respect is not freely given, its earned.

I apologized for questioning if we should attribute the method solely to sam. God forbid someone question him, eh GS? And IMO I had nothing to apologize for! I was not rude in my questioning, but sam seems to have thin skin. I was totally polite until sam's post...

In his first post to me he was offended I dare question him, so he went on to try and bash everything I wrote. Wtf kinda behavior is that? A child's. Once I told him about decarb he dropped that blanked statement. And one I told him about solvent free BHO he changed his tune real quick to [sic] "yes I know a solvent free is possible", well then, why disagree in the first place? Ill tell you why, to simply be disagreeable to everything I wrote, how adult is that?

I thanked him for his correcting me about yellow light. Its pretty clear who the antagonist is in this case...

I thought after I apologized he would be ok and he and I could be cool (like I wrote at the bottom of that post). This was not the case, in his next post to me he was still upset and not letting it go. That was enough for me. A name is only a name...


back to on-topic discussion

Sam, I really meant it when I appologized the first time, I really wasn't trying to be rude.

 

[chef]

All hat, no cattle...

 

[bubbleman]

yeah anyone else want to contribute something... like actual work they've done to make hash?
i guess i can.... i used three screens to clean my resin up> Simple method of taking plant matter and breaking it gently over a screen.> Collecting that resein and than seperating it out with a few more screen from my bubblebox...
Im sure some of you have seen this instructions on my page or in a thread i did some years ago... but seeing as no one added anything but words into this thread.. and its getting a bit aggresive , i figured i'd throw up some more pics... I got this dry sift to melt.. but unfortunately never got any macro shots of it.. Had i taken some shots i can almost guarantee the contamination would have been at least 20%... behind Sams.

anyway here is the photo essay with screen sizes posted in both lines per inch ie LPI as well as µ .

the proces is fairly simple... what we are doing is extracting the resin in a very contaminated way. The resin will be at least 75% or more contaminant under the first screen. what i like to do then is seperate out two sizes of heads on the additional two botton screens. and then clean each one up seperately on the botton screen using the card technique. Very simple and very slow.. and basicaly no fun at all lol. H owever with some patience you can push thru the non gland plant matter ie cystolith hairs and capitate stalks etc... You will find these on your botton plate.. and they have the texture of talcum powder> non resinous plant contaminant that was in your dry sift. Is no more....
I took a few hits of this just cause i couldnt believe it wasnt active.. and i assure you hitting a piece of the sunday paper will be about as enjoyable.

anyway as you can see my final product does indeed melt.. but it is eons away from sam's quality... My two cents.. anyone want to add a photo essay please do...

peace
Bubble man

 

[W.P.]

I am happy you say you came up with your "secret" all on your own, however, I still don't fully believe it. And you know why? Because in my long life I have seen and read of rare instances where someone invents something without ideas from other sources, like journal articles.

Ever heard of "great minds think a like?"....

Any way here to contribute not throw stones, so I am going to post my accidental DISCOVERY to the world to be copied and spread!!!

Which has probably been done in some journal some where...

But If not I'll call it O.S. Hash

It's so simple IT'S SCARY. Now I've made a decent amount of sift, BHO, BB etc.

This is BEST.

On a mini scale. (It's scalable though.)

I usually trim with something on my lap.(either in N. Cally trimming 6lbers or sog 20 inchers) A rubber tuppermaid container or i really like this one table i have the glass is about 30 inches round. I Fan leaf first , then get to trimming where i save the leafy stuffy for butter and the popcorn and good trim for hash. Now i always start one plant finsh it go to next, transfer all of my trimmings to appropriate piles. I clean that glass piece before every harvest and usually after... Now i dont mis handle the buds at all. Very gentile not to flatten or abuse them. But after a few years of just cleaning the "little" oil off , i scraped it.WOW

Now right before scrape i turn glass over rub with hand anything green or any particulate matter off usually falls right off but leaves a residue like BHO on glass but just opaque, not the normal darker stuff. Scrape with flat razor. Comes up pure white and "taffy" like.
Extreme full melt. Supper clean. I could not believe it, went and got microscope and it looked like solid heads packed really tight together.

So there it is Oil Smear Hash. So easy it is scary. I'd love for some one like Sam to try this out and tell me what they think....

Ps I'd put up a Pic but all got smoked before I could think..... Literally. It looked more like Coke then any hash I've ever seen.

 

[NotGuilty]

W.p, search Rosin, very similar. A nice smoke I bet! Are you kicking yourself for all the times you didn't scrape?

 

[Shred42O]

damm W.P great info man thanks iam gonna have to try this

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Bubble or Sam-

Earlier I asked what size screen you use in your bongs. I ask because I find it difficult to fine a very fine mesh. Personally I have to put 2 or 3 together to try to feebly capture anything that melts through. Also are there any metal screens that are more/less healthy to use? Sometimes when I rip a big one my chest gets a burn and i never know if it's from the good dope or some horribly cancerous molten metal entering my body and turning me into a cyborg.

Do you guys find that Sam's super pure heads have more of a problem melthing through the screen than other FMCD or is it all about the same? Thanks a bunch for your contributions.

Here's a few pics for your trouble. Sorry, I only have bubblebags so it's water sifted. btw- if you guys are trying to take pictures of it melting it's a lot of work to do alone

 

[Green Supreme]

As to thin skin, this all may be new to you, but much of this is just rehashing{LOL} stuff. He has had to put up with these kind of attacks for years. Perhaps you might not be the first to encounter all this. Speculation is wonderful. maybe go for some practical work before you go further. I understand you have stated that you are not growing, this is impeding your research. If ya wanna talk the talk people gotta see ya walk the walk. Good luck. Peace GS

ps. you did question his knowledge before he even posted in here. so I would think first attack might have been you.

 

[W.P.]

W.p, search Rosin, very similar. A nice smoke I bet! Are you kicking yourself for all the times you didn't scrape?

Yeah I know of the thread but this does not involve any heat or liquids (water) so i really think those variables extract something from the start product. This is with no breaking down any plant matter and done when plant is fresh so onlt oils come off.

Really comes out "oxy white " not the off white with that method. Which I never personally tried so, I am not knocking that off but my bubble gives a melt like that and this is not even close.....

Sure am but will never skip that again!!! Some one give it a go!!! I get a gram after about 4hr of trimming.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

How much more would this cost to buy vs. dry sift from say 140 micron? I use an O'kief roller and the stuff i get from the 140 seems great, never a complaint. Am I missing out on on this, I don't understand why it has to be refined to this level. Hell if you show people stuff rolled in 110 screen they flip and seem over joyed just to have some kief. Maybe this is the stuff you would never share, except with real close friends. Sam, do you plan on selling or sharing this at some point?