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mrred
i think he uses a vibration machine with like 10 screens
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Skunkman Sam's Secret Dry Sift 2009
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vlad cosma
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just found this from an other site:
"The electrostatic collection of the resin spheres from dried marijuana plants with plenty of ripe seeds has been for hundreds of years the method indigenous people of North Africa and Lebanon have used to make hashish. Obtain a round metal can 8" or so in diameter x 3" or so in depth (the kind that cookies come in) with a smooth lid. Obtain 2 ounces of dried marijuana with plenty of ripe seeds in the tops. To remove the seeds and stems, sift the marijuana tops through a 10-hole-to-the-inch wire kitchen strainer into the can. Close the can with the lid and vigorously shake the closed can three or four times. This gives the resin spheres an excess negative charge. Let the can sit for a moment and then remove the lid. Opposites attract. The negative-charged resin spheres have been attracted to the metal surface of the can and lid which has a positive charge. Take a matchbook cover or credit card and draw the edge across the surface of the lid. Note the collected powder. Observed under 300X magnification, the collected powder from this "shake" is composed of resin spheres with an occasional non-glandular trichome. As the marijuana is shaken again and again, and more of the yellow resin spheres are removed from the plant material, the collected powder gradually becomes green-colored as the number of non-glandular trichomes increases in the collected powder. The greener the powder, the less the effect.
"The electrostatic collection of the resin spheres from dried marijuana plants with plenty of ripe seeds has been for hundreds of years the method indigenous people of North Africa and Lebanon have used to make hashish. Obtain a round metal can 8" or so in diameter x 3" or so in depth (the kind that cookies come in) with a smooth lid. Obtain 2 ounces of dried marijuana with plenty of ripe seeds in the tops. To remove the seeds and stems, sift the marijuana tops through a 10-hole-to-the-inch wire kitchen strainer into the can. Close the can with the lid and vigorously shake the closed can three or four times. This gives the resin spheres an excess negative charge. Let the can sit for a moment and then remove the lid. Opposites attract. The negative-charged resin spheres have been attracted to the metal surface of the can and lid which has a positive charge. Take a matchbook cover or credit card and draw the edge across the surface of the lid. Note the collected powder. Observed under 300X magnification, the collected powder from this "shake" is composed of resin spheres with an occasional non-glandular trichome. As the marijuana is shaken again and again, and more of the yellow resin spheres are removed from the plant material, the collected powder gradually becomes green-colored as the number of non-glandular trichomes increases in the collected powder. The greener the powder, the less the effect.
Quick
Member
You should breed the Watty Kush, best hashmaker I've seen, separates and collects better, and more potent, a stable strain beyond compare.... comes from Afghanistan circa early 80's....
GS,
What's your problem? Are you the thread police? (You seem to think you are). Two times now you have dissed people who disagree with Sam, or suggest a cheaper version of BubbleMan box. And that's not including your white knighting for sam against me. Stop kissing so much ass!
I used to think very highly of you...not so much after your postings in this thread. I'm sure Sam and bubbleman can stand up and speak for themselves. Why don't you sit back and let them???
What's your problem? Are you the thread police? (You seem to think you are). Two times now you have dissed people who disagree with Sam, or suggest a cheaper version of BubbleMan box. And that's not including your white knighting for sam against me. Stop kissing so much ass!
I used to think very highly of you...not so much after your postings in this thread. I'm sure Sam and bubbleman can stand up and speak for themselves. Why don't you sit back and let them???
I think it's more than people like to talk out of their ass, when someone criticizes a brother of yours in a somewhat crude manner it can be hard to hold your tongue as you just proved yourself. If his box works well, make a tutorial and show people how to do it and the results gained from it, don't compare the two products unless you have both side by side to compare and let everyone decide for themselves. As far as Sam goes, it's his process and he has no need to share it with anyone, it's his and if you can replicate it and choose to share it nothing is stopping you if you choose not to share it then that is your choice. People make funny stories, albeit childish but harmless in the end so lets just light up a bowl and relax a bit, work out how you like your end result together or alone but helping each other out instead of bickering about pointless bullshit.
LG,
Thanks for the thoughtful post. I agree with most of your points, however, I was referring specifically to GS. I was not standing up for anyone, I just don't like white knights at all.
I've said this a few times: I could care less what sams supposed "secret" is, or where/whom he got it from. I have no dog on this fight, I was merely providing methods from journal articles. Like I said, I prefer extracts or water hash to dry sift.
I will now bow out of this thread. It seems my presence, and polite disagreence, is causing waves. I guess one is only allowed to agree, eh? No questioning where the supposed "secret" came from...that's just rude! (insert sarcasm here)
Thanks for the thoughtful post. I agree with most of your points, however, I was referring specifically to GS. I was not standing up for anyone, I just don't like white knights at all.
I've said this a few times: I could care less what sams supposed "secret" is, or where/whom he got it from. I have no dog on this fight, I was merely providing methods from journal articles. Like I said, I prefer extracts or water hash to dry sift.
I will now bow out of this thread. It seems my presence, and polite disagreence, is causing waves. I guess one is only allowed to agree, eh? No questioning where the supposed "secret" came from...that's just rude! (insert sarcasm here)
ganja din,
While you claim to be in polite disagreement this is not quite the case, as usual you have changed what really you have said on this thread. You implied I was a lier, you stated that:
"What I want to know is where did the idea come from for Sams kif? I highly doubt HE came up with the idea all on his lonesome...anit gonna happen IMO especially that Sam is we'll versed in analytical sciences (GC, etc).
I would bet $100 he got his idea from scholarly lit (eg. journal articles). Especially in his own words [sic]"you can wait for my machine, or discover the method yourself". Let's not attribute this to Sam, until we KNOW it was his idea alone. It an insult to those scientists who (probably) came up with the idea/method."
Well as I have said dozens of times, I invented my process all alone, to me it is an insult to have posters that don't even make dry sift hash explain why they think I am lying about where my discovery came from. You did not question, you postulated a whole new discovery via a science journal or some such nonsense. But I want to be straight, I discovered it with no help of any kind from any science article or scientist of any sort.
Your refusal to accept you might be wrong about your postulations shows what kind of a person you really are...(probably).
I don't normally get in a mud slinging fight with posters as I have learned over the years to try and ignore the fleas, but in this case you got under my skin with your refusal to believe what I say and then blame your attack, which was first on me, and my standing up and saying you are just plain wrong about your postulations, and I am offended by your implication I am lying. You can wiggle all you want, but you dug your own hole so go lay in it. You just imagine that you know me or know how I think and you then postulate various theories based on who knows what and come up with something you imagined, that I stole the discovery from another scientist or science article. Sad, how some people dig themselves into such a deep hole they can't even get out, then blame others for putting them there. I did not even respond to you until after you implied I was a lier.
I don't really care what you have to say, unless it is relevant to the dry sift discussion, not your wild postulations based on nothing besides what you have made up....
If you want to post various ideas about how you can make dry sift resin that 100% resin heads with no trash, I have no problem, but to insist I am lying? Why should I take it? I know the truth, and thats is what I told everyone. You on the other hand do not know the truth yet stick to your "version" like it was the truth. My suggestion is first you speculate then you discover the truth. You first claimed to know the truth, that I lied, and then speculated on how I got that truth, next time reverse the order and maybe it will help you from falling into holes you have dug yourself.
Enough on this but as you can see he did bug me because he just did not seem to care about anything besides his own idea that he knew how I discovered this method, regardless of what I had to say...
I am still waiting for the $100 you owe me, I am still waiting for the photos of your 100% heads dry sift using "your" new methods with glass beads, liquid nitrogen, dry ice, or whatever, please please bring it on.......
You can drop all your imagination theories, stick to the science journals, but you won't find my method in them, but maybe another one that is just as good, or even better?
-SamS
While you claim to be in polite disagreement this is not quite the case, as usual you have changed what really you have said on this thread. You implied I was a lier, you stated that:
"What I want to know is where did the idea come from for Sams kif? I highly doubt HE came up with the idea all on his lonesome...anit gonna happen IMO especially that Sam is we'll versed in analytical sciences (GC, etc).
I would bet $100 he got his idea from scholarly lit (eg. journal articles). Especially in his own words [sic]"you can wait for my machine, or discover the method yourself". Let's not attribute this to Sam, until we KNOW it was his idea alone. It an insult to those scientists who (probably) came up with the idea/method."
Well as I have said dozens of times, I invented my process all alone, to me it is an insult to have posters that don't even make dry sift hash explain why they think I am lying about where my discovery came from. You did not question, you postulated a whole new discovery via a science journal or some such nonsense. But I want to be straight, I discovered it with no help of any kind from any science article or scientist of any sort.
Your refusal to accept you might be wrong about your postulations shows what kind of a person you really are...(probably).
I don't normally get in a mud slinging fight with posters as I have learned over the years to try and ignore the fleas, but in this case you got under my skin with your refusal to believe what I say and then blame your attack, which was first on me, and my standing up and saying you are just plain wrong about your postulations, and I am offended by your implication I am lying. You can wiggle all you want, but you dug your own hole so go lay in it. You just imagine that you know me or know how I think and you then postulate various theories based on who knows what and come up with something you imagined, that I stole the discovery from another scientist or science article. Sad, how some people dig themselves into such a deep hole they can't even get out, then blame others for putting them there. I did not even respond to you until after you implied I was a lier.
I don't really care what you have to say, unless it is relevant to the dry sift discussion, not your wild postulations based on nothing besides what you have made up....
If you want to post various ideas about how you can make dry sift resin that 100% resin heads with no trash, I have no problem, but to insist I am lying? Why should I take it? I know the truth, and thats is what I told everyone. You on the other hand do not know the truth yet stick to your "version" like it was the truth. My suggestion is first you speculate then you discover the truth. You first claimed to know the truth, that I lied, and then speculated on how I got that truth, next time reverse the order and maybe it will help you from falling into holes you have dug yourself.
Enough on this but as you can see he did bug me because he just did not seem to care about anything besides his own idea that he knew how I discovered this method, regardless of what I had to say...
I am still waiting for the $100 you owe me, I am still waiting for the photos of your 100% heads dry sift using "your" new methods with glass beads, liquid nitrogen, dry ice, or whatever, please please bring it on.......
You can drop all your imagination theories, stick to the science journals, but you won't find my method in them, but maybe another one that is just as good, or even better?
-SamS
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mrdizzle
I used to get super clean dry kief from lightly shaking a couple lbs of buds over a kief box. 100% full melt. I didnt realize at the time that you could 100x mag your keif to check for trash but I think it would have been close. But i doubt that the top secret method that knocked out those pictures
Wow, read this whole thing. Science to drama. Fine sift. Have to disagree with the above quote though. Some of the best discoveries are made by random thoughts, especially after a nice bong hit.
Hence, ripping and reading various posts on electrostatic separation made me realize, yes this works. Have not checked for purity, but using the women's kitchen utensils(she hates this), placing well dried buds(sometimes trim) in PLASTIC mixing bowls and mixing gently by hand. Removing all bud/plant material, the trichomes cling to the bowl by static as the actual bud/leaf material does not. So....umm no journals, just random thoughts. Just postulating, no Bill Hye science guy here. Good facts though.
Cheers
StellarP
wardyleb
Member
There are LOTS of ways/processes of making dry sift. Perhaps Sam just came up with one day while making sift, a refinement.
I find experimentation is the best thing. I used to just carefully sift with one sieve then i learnt about re-sifting with multiple screens and extraction ratio's and temperatures.
Commercially because of the VERY SMALL extraction ratio this stuff would be TOO expensive. But its prohibitions that causes this.
If i had HUGE amounts of dried cannabis i would just make it all the time. I guess you can only do this if your a grower/breeder or VERY rich..
Rob Clark talks about a cool Afghan resin cleaning method in his book "hashish" that i've tried and it works well.
They would use a small bag made of very fine silk like martial and fill it a third of the way with resin and sew it closed. They would then toss the bag around the room to each other. Only dust/hairs and plant matter would come threw the bag, thus cleaning the resin.
You gotta love bmans macros. As for people not believing sam, he has NO reasons to make this up (or lie as you make out). He's brought so much to the cannabis community, show some respect.
peace guys
wardy
I find experimentation is the best thing. I used to just carefully sift with one sieve then i learnt about re-sifting with multiple screens and extraction ratio's and temperatures.
Commercially because of the VERY SMALL extraction ratio this stuff would be TOO expensive. But its prohibitions that causes this.
If i had HUGE amounts of dried cannabis i would just make it all the time. I guess you can only do this if your a grower/breeder or VERY rich..
Rob Clark talks about a cool Afghan resin cleaning method in his book "hashish" that i've tried and it works well.
They would use a small bag made of very fine silk like martial and fill it a third of the way with resin and sew it closed. They would then toss the bag around the room to each other. Only dust/hairs and plant matter would come threw the bag, thus cleaning the resin.
You gotta love bmans macros. As for people not believing sam, he has NO reasons to make this up (or lie as you make out). He's brought so much to the cannabis community, show some respect.
peace guys
wardy
Kaneh
Member
Couple random thoughs:
Everyone is an asshole in internet!
I'm sure Sam and GD could get along just fine if they were talking face to face...
I'm not sure if Sams method has any commercial value, the % of final product is just too small...
(so Sam, you might as well tell us how you do it!
)
Speculating how it's done:
facts we know:
- Sam was in hotel room in africa 20 years ago.
- He said he was playing with resin daily, so he probably had screens with him. + what else, that coul be used in making hash?
- What's in hotelroom? TV, but in africa not necessarily. Was he in some big city? Cathode ray tube-TV makes very strong electric/magnetic field, that could have been used for the process.
My version of the secret: Sam used normal screen on top of tilted TV-screen! Simple enough??? ;D
Question to Sam:
After your 99.9% method, is it possible to use the leftover plant material again to make "normal" dryshift or ice extraction?
Everyone is an asshole in internet!
I'm sure Sam and GD could get along just fine if they were talking face to face...
I'm not sure if Sams method has any commercial value, the % of final product is just too small...
(so Sam, you might as well tell us how you do it!
)Speculating how it's done:
facts we know:
- Sam was in hotel room in africa 20 years ago.
- He said he was playing with resin daily, so he probably had screens with him. + what else, that coul be used in making hash?
- What's in hotelroom? TV, but in africa not necessarily. Was he in some big city? Cathode ray tube-TV makes very strong electric/magnetic field, that could have been used for the process.
My version of the secret: Sam used normal screen on top of tilted TV-screen! Simple enough??? ;D
Question to Sam:
After your 99.9% method, is it possible to use the leftover plant material again to make "normal" dryshift or ice extraction?
C
Chamba
Please note
There have been several threads over the past few years here on Icmag devoted to discussing Sam's dry sift.
many of the guesses, suggestions, theories and other comments have been asked more than once, including many in this thread.
don't be lazy, before you comment, please do a search through Sam_Skunkman's posts, read the relevant threads and then make a comment.
There have been several threads over the past few years here on Icmag devoted to discussing Sam's dry sift.
many of the guesses, suggestions, theories and other comments have been asked more than once, including many in this thread.
don't be lazy, before you comment, please do a search through Sam_Skunkman's posts, read the relevant threads and then make a comment.
OMFG sam!
Give it up! Wtf are you chasing me around for? You are acting like a child, again.
I know I'm wasting my breath and this won't sink in but ill try: your ego is lying to you...what you quoted is not rude or impolite.
And I've told you I will send you the hundred (which I wasn't even serious about) but FIRST you have to prove its your idea alone.
You need to weaken your ego, and strengthen you skin (its awful thin).
You might be a bit paranoid, in that post of mine you quoted above (re: if you came up with method) WAS NOT RUDE!
There is a difference between one questioning politely (like I did) and one questioning rudely, like you are now doing. I'm serious, that post you keep quoting is polite, I am not sorry that you take offense when no offense is offered!
If your supposed "secret" was not a secret and it was proven that you alone came up with it than I would have not made that post. Your silence and secret does you no good, you can't have it both ways: reveal the "secret", or live with the fact you are suspect by keeping it secret.
Now, take your own advise and go smoke a bowl. You obviously are WAY too invested in this thread. Chill out. And then think about what I wrote and lastly, STOP POSTING TO ME and start acting like an adult.
Ps. I only read the first paragraph of you diatribe, I don't care what you have to say so the rest of that long drivel will never meet its mark, GIVE UP, you can't make me look bad to make yourself look good!
Your best friend Ganga Din
Give it up! Wtf are you chasing me around for? You are acting like a child, again.
I know I'm wasting my breath and this won't sink in but ill try: your ego is lying to you...what you quoted is not rude or impolite.
And I've told you I will send you the hundred (which I wasn't even serious about) but FIRST you have to prove its your idea alone.
You need to weaken your ego, and strengthen you skin (its awful thin).
You might be a bit paranoid, in that post of mine you quoted above (re: if you came up with method) WAS NOT RUDE!
There is a difference between one questioning politely (like I did) and one questioning rudely, like you are now doing. I'm serious, that post you keep quoting is polite, I am not sorry that you take offense when no offense is offered!
If your supposed "secret" was not a secret and it was proven that you alone came up with it than I would have not made that post. Your silence and secret does you no good, you can't have it both ways: reveal the "secret", or live with the fact you are suspect by keeping it secret.
Now, take your own advise and go smoke a bowl. You obviously are WAY too invested in this thread. Chill out. And then think about what I wrote
and lastly, STOP POSTING TO ME and start acting like an adult.Ps. I only read the first paragraph of you diatribe, I don't care what you have to say so the rest of that long drivel will never meet its mark, GIVE UP, you can't make me look bad to make yourself look good!
Your best friend Ganga Din
There is a certain amount of basic respect for our fellow man that should govern most of our personal interactions. This respect should be irregardless of any disagreement or dissent from an idea, unless of course a line is crossed.
I see a discussion, and see nothing that warrants taking such a position, ganja din. I would only hope that your immature reactions are truly from immaturity, and not a seasoned doctrine.
On topic...many of us old guys were scraping static cling resin off the sides of coffee cans before many of you were but gleams in your daddy's eyes. My personal cans had the screen permanently adhered to one end with duct tape.
*there was a point in time when ALL weed that one could acquire would need the can...no matter what, all sacks needed the can.
ganja din,
Who the f*** do you think you are that you think I have to prove I made up my secret method to you because if I keep it a secret then I have to live with that I am suspect by keeping it secret?
In fact you are the only person that ever accused me of stealing the idea from a journal or someone else. Only one and you are it, does that tell you something?
Many people have said I am greedy, or not sharing, because they wanted to know how my method worked. But these same people ignore all I have done for the Cannabis community, they focus on what they want, for free, today, and most don't really care about anyone besides them selves anyway.
I am fed up with people like you that think their shit don't smell and always blames others for problems they created them selves.
You first implied I lied about where my discovery came from, I say you have no idea of what you speak, yet you are convinced with zero proof that you are right. I only responded to you to straighten out your false claims, you accused me first, remember?
But I do like the way you have promised to stop posting in this thread, and keep coming back for another post, it shows everyone how much your word is worth.
-SamS
Who the f*** do you think you are that you think I have to prove I made up my secret method to you because if I keep it a secret then I have to live with that I am suspect by keeping it secret?
In fact you are the only person that ever accused me of stealing the idea from a journal or someone else. Only one and you are it, does that tell you something?
Many people have said I am greedy, or not sharing, because they wanted to know how my method worked. But these same people ignore all I have done for the Cannabis community, they focus on what they want, for free, today, and most don't really care about anyone besides them selves anyway.
I am fed up with people like you that think their shit don't smell and always blames others for problems they created them selves.
You first implied I lied about where my discovery came from, I say you have no idea of what you speak, yet you are convinced with zero proof that you are right. I only responded to you to straighten out your false claims, you accused me first, remember?
But I do like the way you have promised to stop posting in this thread, and keep coming back for another post, it shows everyone how much your word is worth.
-SamS
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JackTheGrower
Wow, read this whole thing. Science to drama. Fine sift. Have to disagree with the above quote though. Some of the best discoveries are made by random thoughts, especially after a nice bong hit.
Hence, ripping and reading various posts on electrostatic separation made me realize, yes this works. Have not checked for purity, but using the women's kitchen utensils(she hates this), placing well dried buds(sometimes trim) in PLASTIC mixing bowls and mixing gently by hand. Removing all bud/plant material, the trichomes cling to the bowl by static as the actual bud/leaf material does not. So....umm no journals, just random thoughts. Just postulating, no Bill Hye science guy here. Good facts though.
Cheers
StellarP
I'm just browsing this thread for the first time but it wouldn't be just trichs it would be any particle of the correct mass and charge.
resin seeker
Member
Hi all as sam has said before from a kilo of cannabis he makes 10% crude farmers hash then takes this and cleans it up to 1%(very hard)i think we need to focus on the cleaning process.When i was in morocco the farmer,s hash was not to my standards but when u take a kilo an make your own with multible screens theres some differance in quality so in my opinion its the cleaning everyone should focus on all the best.RESIN SEEKER
