no crapping on your method in fact in spain there is a company that uses bubble bags with dry ice but dude i mean it isnt feasable to think he used all that crap in a hotel room in africa remember the place matt from the pictures that b man posted it looks rubber which is a conductor of static electrizity and trust me he is using the salt and pepper trick trichnomes per squae inch trust take a wool cloth and rub a glass wand to spread out resin and do it a bunch of time repeating and you will get 99.99 % pure resin glands there is a link to buy this wand http://www.carolina.com/product/friction+rod+set.do?keyword=rod&sortby=bestMatches
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Skunkman Sam's Secret Dry Sift 2009
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Hey Really,
No worries. But that bubble bag with dry ice doesn't sound to be the same at all. The physics seem far different.
I don't see how what you suggest would work, and it doesn't efficient at all. In the method I posted above all most people would need to buy is a stir cage, stir plate, screens and dry ice, etc. That's it. One could use a blender in place of stir plate but its less ideal. One can definitely fit all that in one room
If you can provide data showing info about static electric in relation to trich heads I would be interested in reading it.
My proposed method above is as simple and inexpensive as it gets. One can build their own stir plate with a old computer fan and magnets, cost is free or under ~$20 for parts. The stir cage is $25m. Sum = $25-120. One also needs to buy a block of dry ice, or a piece, but its not expensive and screens, etc. All told maybe $100-200.
In all my reading of dozens of journal articles on this topic in the past few days I have yet to find one instance of what you suggest...
If you can offer citation, or reference to journal articles or other authoritative sources from whence your idea came I would be happy to learn.
HTH
No worries. But that bubble bag with dry ice doesn't sound to be the same at all. The physics seem far different.
I don't see how what you suggest would work, and it doesn't efficient at all. In the method I posted above all most people would need to buy is a stir cage, stir plate, screens and dry ice, etc. That's it. One could use a blender in place of stir plate but its less ideal. One can definitely fit all that in one room
If you can provide data showing info about static electric in relation to trich heads I would be interested in reading it.
My proposed method above is as simple and inexpensive as it gets. One can build their own stir plate with a old computer fan and magnets, cost is free or under ~$20 for parts. The stir cage is $25m. Sum = $25-120. One also needs to buy a block of dry ice, or a piece, but its not expensive and screens, etc. All told maybe $100-200.
In all my reading of dozens of journal articles on this topic in the past few days I have yet to find one instance of what you suggest...
If you can offer citation, or reference to journal articles or other authoritative sources from whence your idea came I would be happy to learn.
HTH
its a simple 4th grade sci experement i mean the salt is heaver just like the tris http://www.cmste.uregina.ca/Quickstarts/saltandpepper.html
in a page about how to get cat hair out or dry sift and bubble man even mentioned and i quote (((((The static balloon idea will work fine.
i have done it many times.
Just make sure you spread the dry sift out nice and thin over a glass table if you can.
The hairs will jump right out onto the balloon.)))))
(((Just make sure the guy rubbing it on his head isnt bald lol)))
Bubble man
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i have done it many times.
Just make sure you spread the dry sift out nice and thin over a glass table if you can.
The hairs will jump right out onto the balloon.)))))
(((Just make sure the guy rubbing it on his head isnt bald lol)))
Bubble man
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Hey Really,
I understand the process. But that doesn't carry over to trich heads verses stalks AFAIK. And trich heads are relatively heavy while laden with exudates.
What I would like to see is (legit scholarly) info showing this concept applied to trich heads. In all my reading this method has never been discussed or presented.
Thanks
I understand the process. But that doesn't carry over to trich heads verses stalks AFAIK. And trich heads are relatively heavy while laden with exudates.
What I would like to see is (legit scholarly) info showing this concept applied to trich heads. In all my reading this method has never been discussed or presented.
Thanks
Hey really,
See emphasis from you quote:
We don't want hairs. In my proposed method there should be a majority of heads, with some stalks, but, no hair (eg. pistils) in the lower screens.
Once the pistils are painstakingly removed via. balloon you still are still left with a mix trich heads and stalks, not a high % of heads as should happen with my proposed method...
See emphasis from you quote:
We don't want hairs. In my proposed method there should be a majority of heads, with some stalks, but, no hair (eg. pistils) in the lower screens.
Once the pistils are painstakingly removed via. balloon you still are still left with a mix trich heads and stalks, not a high % of heads as should happen with my proposed method...
yo ganga din the glands are quite heavier then the stalks dude try this for christmass
in the picture there is a rubber placematt that the fmdc is sitting on and that got me thinking like you would prolly have this crap in a hotel in africa a wool cloth and a rubber place matt 2 awsome conductors of static electricity take a rubber place matt 2 of em and rubb a woll cloth over only 1 like crazzy pour resin powder over it and spread very well then so lightly with no draft around pour the materils on to the next place matt that has not been rubbed and repeat watch wat you get happy christmass but you need alot remember the ration 100 to 1 now that is crazzy so like out of 100 gss you get 1 g or sumthing like that thats why it is so hard and at that point would it still be hashish or just pure thc this has been a debat for years among tradional dry hash makers
and the real guy who invented the ice hash was king neville but i ant mad at sam for making it public i mean b bags prolly woldnt be around today and alot of other technology
in the picture there is a rubber placematt that the fmdc is sitting on and that got me thinking like you would prolly have this crap in a hotel in africa a wool cloth and a rubber place matt 2 awsome conductors of static electricity take a rubber place matt 2 of em and rubb a woll cloth over only 1 like crazzy pour resin powder over it and spread very well then so lightly with no draft around pour the materils on to the next place matt that has not been rubbed and repeat watch wat you get happy christmass but you need alot remember the ration 100 to 1 now that is crazzy so like out of 100 gss you get 1 g or sumthing like that thats why it is so hard and at that point would it still be hashish or just pure thc this has been a debat for years among tradional dry hash makers
and the real guy who invented the ice hash was king neville but i ant mad at sam for making it public i mean b bags prolly woldnt be around today and alot of other technology
Hey bro,
Thanks for that. However, my main point is still unresolved: I have yet to read legit data showing electrostatic happens with heads, or stalks. I don't think it does, thus, if I'm correct your method won't work.
Try using "google scholar" search feature with good keywords like "electrostatic + glandular secretory cell", etc. Results will be journal articles. I bet you won't find any data supporting your position, but like I wrote I would be happy to be proven wrong, and I'm more than willing to read and learn from legit sources of info/data.
Thanks for an interesting discussion
Thanks for that. However, my main point is still unresolved: I have yet to read legit data showing electrostatic happens with heads, or stalks. I don't think it does, thus, if I'm correct your method won't work.
Try using "google scholar" search feature with good keywords like "electrostatic + glandular secretory cell", etc. Results will be journal articles. I bet you won't find any data supporting your position, but like I wrote I would be happy to be proven wrong, and I'm more than willing to read and learn from legit sources of info/data.
Thanks for an interesting discussion
Nevile showed me what an an American un-named grower showed him the previous week. Neville did not invent water hash, he did show me.
On the topic of decarboxylation of cannabinoid acids and TCA-A:
Smoking cannabis is the worst (least effective) method to decarboxylate. In a joint only around 30% of THC acid and THCA-A is decarboxylate into THC! (I don't smoke joints for that reason)
Similar problems exist if one is using heat (ex. hot water) to decarboxylate. The problem is the bp (boiling point) of many acids is fairly low. Thus one boils off a large % of acids and THCA-A before they convert to cannabinoids.
If one wants to use heat in the form of a water bath, and maximize terpenoid and flavonoid profile, do not exceed 38'C (100'F). Leave in water for 2-3 hours. Then allow to dry and use the glass beads to extract only trich heads with a very large % (around 70-80%) of decarboxylate cannabinoid acids and THCA-A into their respective cannabinoids!
Regarding decarboxylate of THC-A into THC one should not exceed 122'C. THC content increased while heating at 122'C even past 50 mintues. Over 145'C and the final THC content (not "total THC") will be lower than the final THC content (not "total THC") at, and below 122'C.
Using that method the final extract, "caviar", or "glass caviar" (I like that name too), will be much more potent when smoked due the increased amount of cannabinoids you will inhaleThe difference can be large verses smoking
One could also use an alkaline bath, but that might effect the chemicals negatively. I intend to use an alkaline bath at 100'F when making solvent extracts. The total conversion into cannabinoids should be greater using both methods in concert.
HTH
I can offer full references for all information if anyone is interested.
I Don't really understand your concern of decarboxylating THCA to THC, smoking resin in a bong does it fine with little to no waste. I would never decarboxylate resin prior to smoking, why???
As for
"Yellow light slows conversion of THC to CBN. Other nanometers (wavelenghts; eg. colors) more quickly convert THC to CBN."
This is only a concern if storage is in full light. You do not need to use yellow light....THC converts to CBN very slowly like over a year or more. No CBN is found in freshly harvested plants. Store resin in the cold and dark.
I will take that $100 bet, but sounds like you don't have the $100 to pay me anyway? I do have the $100 and I take your bet, you can ask Rob Clarke he was there when I discovered this method, but to be honest I don't think you even have the $100, talk is cheap...
This idea did not come from reading science articles, sorry to disappoint you, I got the idea working with resin.... something I do daily, it is my idea alone and I don't understand why you have problems believing this, it is an insult to me, what you do believe, I say plain and simple, I discovered it.
Oh and BTW, none of the ideas you have presented have anything to do with how I do it. I can make it a lot faster then the methods you mentioned that made very very small amounts in 12 hours, to small to even smoke a few bowls with friends.
But keep trying and when you are done take a photo of your dry sift resin, the proof is in the pudding, or resin in this case.
Any BHO method even if cleaned up will have BHO left in the oil, I have tested many BHO oils that were claimed to be BHO free, none were when I tested them on my GC.
-SamS
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BTW,
The resin was DNA seeds Sleestack.
The reason I like Sleestack is because of it's resin traits, specifically how easy it is to extract the crude dry sift, faster and more, then almost anything besides Skunk #1, that is why I crossed Sleestack X Skunk #1 looking for the ultimate resin maker.
Sleestack also has an up high that is real nice for daytime smoking during work. My hope is that the Sleestack X Skunk #1 will be better then either parent for dry sift production. They are being grown right now.
You can ask DNA seeds for info.
I will be working on creating varieties for resin production, this is amongst my first effort.
PS I could of cleaned up Skunk #1 to this level of 100% heads, or almost any other variety, I just happened to use Sleestack because of its ease of extraction.
-SamS
The resin was DNA seeds Sleestack.
The reason I like Sleestack is because of it's resin traits, specifically how easy it is to extract the crude dry sift, faster and more, then almost anything besides Skunk #1, that is why I crossed Sleestack X Skunk #1 looking for the ultimate resin maker.
Sleestack also has an up high that is real nice for daytime smoking during work. My hope is that the Sleestack X Skunk #1 will be better then either parent for dry sift production. They are being grown right now.
You can ask DNA seeds for info.
I will be working on creating varieties for resin production, this is amongst my first effort.
PS I could of cleaned up Skunk #1 to this level of 100% heads, or almost any other variety, I just happened to use Sleestack because of its ease of extraction.
-SamS
cool i never knew that it was another dude but
i appreciate you showing the water method in clarks book like i said it prolly helped to influence all the bag systems today
Hope to see anoter crazzy method or machine from you soon peace out skunksam
2 quick questions if you had 4 oz would you dry sift it or water extract??
and do you have any preffered water techniques
i appreciate you showing the water method in clarks book like i said it prolly helped to influence all the bag systems today
Hope to see anoter crazzy method or machine from you soon peace out skunksam
2 quick questions if you had 4 oz would you dry sift it or water extract??
and do you have any preffered water techniques
This is completely off topic Sam, but do you grow out a lot of the many cannabis company's current offerings? I don't think I've heard you say many positive comments about other people's seed. Thanks for all your work int he community. You're resin makes me envious
Gonna try that Salt&pebber, rubber mat thing sound like fun, thanks fore sharing that info, beats making chrismas decorations
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If I only had 4 z's I guess I would make water hash. But to be honest I would just grow a lot more.
I only grew a few varieties this year that were not mine just because I was looking for easy dry sift resin producers to start a program to find the best and then try and make better ones. Skunk #1 is my normal resin producer, is pretty easy and yields very good dry sift resin, with great taste and high, strong as well.
You are right normally I only use my own varieties, but I heard rumors Sleestack was worth looking at, and the rumors were correct, can't wait to see the Sleestack X Skunk #1 resin as well as how easy it is to use the hybrid to make dry sift resin.
-SamS
I only grew a few varieties this year that were not mine just because I was looking for easy dry sift resin producers to start a program to find the best and then try and make better ones. Skunk #1 is my normal resin producer, is pretty easy and yields very good dry sift resin, with great taste and high, strong as well.
You are right normally I only use my own varieties, but I heard rumors Sleestack was worth looking at, and the rumors were correct, can't wait to see the Sleestack X Skunk #1 resin as well as how easy it is to use the hybrid to make dry sift resin.
-SamS
Sam
First, step back from the keyboard, relaaaax!
And your assumptions about me are totally wrong, chill out man. Why are you jumping on me? I almost think I DID find out your method and that's why your so mad at me! Only children act as you are now acting...
And yes, BHO/ethanol will be COMPLETLY free of butane. Its all about physics. But I'm suuuure you know that. Rolls eyes. Butane has a much lower density and bp than ethanol which is the co-solvent...ill let you try and figure the rest out (pssst: microcentrifuge and aspirator to lower bp.). All the BHO you tested was not of the quality I am developing. I have had input from a few chemist friends, besides my own chemistry background. I am NOT just playing around here, this is serious stuff to me. If you want I will send you a sample and you can test it, then I will accept your apology.
So now we officially don't like each other! Congrats on that!
Oh, and if you would have read my presentation and citations about smoking being a poor method of decarb (esp. with joints, blunts, bowls, etc) you would understand why its wise to 'pre-decrab'. There is less decarb from smoking, period.
Thanks for the yellow light info. I knew the conversion was not immediate but I assumed it's wise to use yellow light when possible. Why not?
Its obvious you did not read my last post about dry ice. That method can process a lot a one time, upgrade to scale up.
I don't mean to insult you, I apologize. I already wrote why I don't think you came up with the idea alone, because your smart and usually work with analytical tools, it was not intended to be an insult. But, until you prove you came up with the idea, or have R.Clark verify, I will wait to pay you that $100. Sure ill pay you, once you prove I am not correct, which I almost think I am due to your obvious hostility toward me. And why the insults?
something for you to ponder:
A man with a closed mind will learn nothing. That seems to be your problem. You do not know all, I know much you do not, and visa versa, we are peers, like it or not. You should be more willing to consider what I write, you would learn that way.
(Ps. Your chromotype breeding methods (HortaFarm?) are lacking, but as your not a nice person I won't tell you what your missing, well not until/if we become cool.)
First, step back from the keyboard, relaaaax!
And your assumptions about me are totally wrong, chill out man. Why are you jumping on me? I almost think I DID find out your method and that's why your so mad at me! Only children act as you are now acting...
And yes, BHO/ethanol will be COMPLETLY free of butane. Its all about physics. But I'm suuuure you know that. Rolls eyes. Butane has a much lower density and bp than ethanol which is the co-solvent...ill let you try and figure the rest out (pssst: microcentrifuge and aspirator to lower bp.). All the BHO you tested was not of the quality I am developing. I have had input from a few chemist friends, besides my own chemistry background. I am NOT just playing around here, this is serious stuff to me. If you want I will send you a sample and you can test it, then I will accept your apology.
So now we officially don't like each other! Congrats on that!
Oh, and if you would have read my presentation and citations about smoking being a poor method of decarb (esp. with joints, blunts, bowls, etc) you would understand why its wise to 'pre-decrab'. There is less decarb from smoking, period.
Thanks for the yellow light info. I knew the conversion was not immediate but I assumed it's wise to use yellow light when possible. Why not?
Its obvious you did not read my last post about dry ice. That method can process a lot a one time, upgrade to scale up.
I don't mean to insult you, I apologize. I already wrote why I don't think you came up with the idea alone, because your smart and usually work with analytical tools, it was not intended to be an insult. But, until you prove you came up with the idea, or have R.Clark verify, I will wait to pay you that $100. Sure ill pay you, once you prove I am not correct, which I almost think I am due to your obvious hostility toward me. And why the insults?
something for you to ponder:
A man with a closed mind will learn nothing. That seems to be your problem. You do not know all, I know much you do not, and visa versa, we are peers, like it or not. You should be more willing to consider what I write, you would learn that way.
(Ps. Your chromotype breeding methods (HortaFarm?) are lacking, but as your not a nice person I won't tell you what your missing, well not until/if we become cool.)
Re: about my BHO method, big Pharma uses a similar method, without a centrifuge, to remove DMSO from intravenous drugs, its that kind of purity/quality. My method is adapted from standard best practices. It will work and probally be superior to your Sativex because of the wide cannabinoid, terpenoid and flavonoids profile. I should be able to achieve 85-90+% THC.
I will of course assay my exract with GC/MS to be sure its free from butane and ethanol.
I will of course assay my exract with GC/MS to be sure its free from butane and ethanol.
