Size does matter!

[jrosek]

Twisted, I Almost forgot, I use internal res on everything wether beds buckets ect..
Once you are familiar with the set up and feed schedule it is very difficult to screw up! Never any root rot algae.... the use the available feed every 2 days like clock work!

 

[chef]

Man, does that bring back some flashbacks Beautiful!

If you can do the numbers? Nothing will come close...

If I didn't have the legal parameters? I'd have the waterbed dome out
I actually used the 16" bottom strips of plywood off the waterbed too, as the sides around a 4x8 sheet for the bottom. I ran 12-13" of soil with the 16" sides, stuck with those dimensions on future beds too.
My recipe:
Buy 2 4x8 sheets of .5" or better plywood.
Rip 1 sheet into 3 X 16"x8' strips
Then cut 1 of the 8' strips in 1/2 so you have 2 X 16"x4' rails for the ends.
Screw it together
Lay some plastic sheeting as a liner (or an old waterbed liner
Fill it with a foot of soil or coco mix << newskool
Plant clone every 6" = 132 per 4x8
Hang 2 1k's over it & let it rock!

Old waterbeds are a good source of SOG parts lol

Given my max parameters, 24 plants & anything over 12"x12" counting as 1 of my 24. I've worked this out & am starting to test some CMH's this week.

 

[jrosek]

Well chef, I would definately go with 4 1000's over the 400's for the simple fact, 400's do not penetrate nearly as well. Allot less maintenance and a hell of a lot cheaper!
Have you considered vertical bulbs and some bushes? We have had great success with those also. I would recommend 6 plants around each bulb, Lots of potential in it!
Glad i could give ya a little nostalgia on the beds!lol Wish i could have seen em!
Peace bro! Jro

 

[chef]

Hey

I'm really impressed with these Ceramic MH's, they burn on a HPS mag ballast & 400 is as big as they come. These ain't yer Dads 400's lol
Killer spectrum & uber bright!

I'm going to grab a couple 400 kits, swap out my 600's from the veg room & see for myself? I'll have 2 1000w mags & my 2 600 lumis in there for now while I test these.

 

[jrosek]

Ok, Now im interested. Im gonna have to do a little research on em.
How are they for penetration?
I would love to see that set up in production!
Peace, Jro

 

[Twisted Metal]

Iv always really wondered if SOG is the highest yielding method. I guess its the number of plants that turns people away. There are so many benefits to SOG, short veg time, IMO better buds, small plants ect ect. Now I had a buddy a few years back who had 2 1000's on rails and 50 cuts on each table. He said he was gonna yield around 4-5lbs off each table I told him that he is crazy. A few weeks before the 1st real harvest the worst thing possible happened. So that was the only time have I seen a SOG setup that big and its a shame what happened happened.

Im sorry for beating this over and over but an internal res could you go into a little more detail or maybe post a pic? You have holes in the buckets and all the run off goes to a separate buckets or res? I get all warm and fuzzy inside knowing now that Im sure 2lbs of a 600 is possible. All years of 14-16oz harvs are in the past and 2lb harvs are in the future. J im really diggin your style cause iv been waiting along time for a method with a interesting and easy medium with high yields and you convinced me. Years of buying promix, earthworm casting, perlite, vermiculite mixing and mixing and testing. Then tried coco its amazing stuff when done right but to much watering is needed and gets tiring after a while.

 

[jrosek]

The internal rez is the bottom 1" of the container, we use 65%perlite/35% vermiculite with straight ph'd hydro nutes. essentially a hydro system with out the hydro.
We dont need a drain whole because the system and method are dialed in. when you know when its time to feed and how much it is very simple and straight forward!
Bro, You will never buy a bag of dirt again! What i recommend is trying a couple small buckets with this system until you get it down, i will help you.
We will be doing beds from now on and pushing 3lbs with a 600. The first full experiment table will give us the average here in about 3 weeks. She is looking fantastic!
Peace bro! Jro

 

[Twisted Metal]

The internal rez is the bottom 1" of the container, we use 65%perlite/35% vermiculite with straight ph'd hydro nutes. essentially a hydro system with out the hydro.
We dont need a drain whole because the system and method are dialed in. when you know when its time to feed and how much it is very simple and straight forward!
Bro, You will never buy a bag of dirt again! What i recommend is trying a couple small buckets with this system until you get it down, i will help you.
We will be doing beds from now on and pushing 3lbs with a 600. The first full experiment table will give us the average here in about 3 weeks. She is looking fantastic!
Peace bro! Jro

I cant wait to see your progress and i sure as hell hope you hit you goal. Diff try a few small ones till i get it all dialed in. I got some ideas do you have your own thread on your grow or just keep updating this one?

 

[Hammerhead]

Im only going to get 8oz from this girl lol

 

[ApolloGreed]

The internal rez is the bottom 1" of the container, we use 65%perlite/35% vermiculite with straight ph'd hydro nutes. essentially a hydro system with out the hydro.

So Jro if i catch your drift correctly, this is basically a "Hempy bin" with no indicator weep hole. Would it be out of the question for newbs to drill an indicator hole 1" from the bottom if they have a problem dialing their systems in? Or would that not be in the Jro spirit of things...

 

[jrosek]

So Jro if i catch your drift correctly, this is basically a "Hempy bin" with no indicator weep hole. Would it be out of the question for newbs to drill an indicator hole 1" from the bottom if they have a problem dialing their systems in? Or would that not be in the Jro spirit of things...

Well, It is sort of like a hempy. I'm sure at one point that is how all this came about?
I never liked the idea of flushing 10oz of fluid out of my container every feed. it would be messy and wasteful.
If you wanted to do the drain hole i would recommend following hempy's tutorial. I'm not that fluent with his system. I would say I'm about half way between a hemp and soil feed. I like mine to use up the nutes before a feed.
Hope I'm clear enough bro?lol
Peace

 

[easy maroc]

Absolutely amazing technique you've got there jrosek! i'm a strong believer in pot numbers = higher yield... I use a combination of 100% organic original fox farm planting mix, perlite, and some coco....check out these pots I found for squeezing together plants (tall, deep, and skinny)

http://www.stuewe.com/products/treepots.html

Let me know what you think...have a great day

 

[jrosek]

Absolutely amazing technique you've got there jrosek! i'm a strong believer in pot numbers = higher yield... I use a combination of 100% organic original fox farm planting mix, perlite, and some coco....check out these pots I found for squeezing together plants (tall, deep, and skinny)

http://www.stuewe.com/products/treepots.html

Let me know what you think...have a great day

Thank you man!
We have switched to beds a month or so ago, No need for poys any more!
Those containers will work well for you, im sure.
Have you ever considered pvc tubing for container's??? aahhhh...
You can buy an 8ft x 6" cheap and make all kinds of buckets!!lol
Peace, Jro

 

[trybud]

I have a grow going and because i was delayed in doing some upgrades my plants way overgenerated before flower. normally i'll prune the entire 1/3 or so of a plant and maybe a branch or 2 (i mainly LST). this time my canopy was so crowded w/ nice branches i decided to try this way out. i was on day 20 and i pulled all fans that supported branches. im running 2 x 600 digi HPS,i have 12 plants of mixed strains that are mostly in the 20"-25" range in 5 gallon buckets. i see way better penetration but this pulling the leaves off goes against what ive learned. i sure hope i dont stunt my buds, but in the interest testing it out i went for it ( no control plants ) i was only flowering extras anyways..i'll post some pics tonite when lights on....

 

[One Love]

This thread has some great information along with an easy going discussion. Looks like a great environment to learn a thing or two! I just read this thread from start to finish and will be dialing in a new setup under SOG methods here shortly. This thread has sparked up a few new ideas for me and I hope to learn a lot more while getting my new area tuned in. Chef, Jro, Hammerhead, you guys are doing some nice things here and I appreciate your insight, keep showing us the way and we will keep learning!
I have been doing organic grows in amended soil for a few years now, but I have an enormous bag of perlite and might try the perlite/vermiculite side by side here soon. I'm wondering, could I use Earth Juice, or Bio Bizz line nutes in the perlite/vermiculite setup? or should i just snag some 3 part GH (grow, bloom, micro) to use here? I still have a lot to learn about organic growing, but am wondering if it is best to grow this way under a SOG setup? Thanks ahead for any input...



trying to get away from growing these type bushes in 3gal:



in hopes of adding a little more variety, while evening out the canopy across all strains.

 

[easy maroc]

One love, I know exactly what you mean...I do the same looking shrubs in 4 gallon tall pots. I like the idea of many plants close together, shorter veg and more straight up shoots; maybe top one time and no lst etc... then flower right after recovery. I like to lst, pinch and top my shrubs but I want to try something new.

 

[easy maroc]

Damn that PVC is a good idea...I should give it some thought before purchasing those pots in that link. Either way the idea is as many tall skinny pots as i can squeeze under a light. I heard it's a good idea to get as deep of pots as possible because the roots like to shoot down..anyone also heard this? Oh yea, let me know how those beds turn out too thats another thought

 

[ApolloGreed]

I heard it's a good idea to get as deep of pots as possible because the roots like to shoot down..anyone also heard this?

I have seen that method used in an extreme fashion (plant in a 4' pipe) but the owner did not get very good results.

I believe root structure is dependent on whether your strain is sativa or indica dominant. Sativas like to send a deep tap root while indicas go for wide shallow runners.

The evidence of this can be seen in the preference for indica dominant strains in sogs. just my 0.02....

maybe this is why Jro gets such great results from bins vs. pots, the laterals really get some room to run. and we all know what a well developed root system gives us.. maybe Jro could share his ideas on this?

 

[jrosek]

Hey guys, Whats up!
One love, U can pretty much use any fert you want, I recomend a good hydro nute like AN/GH and a ph of 5.8-6.0, Good luck!

I used pvc in my vert set up last yr, 6"x5", worked extremely well! Beds are the only way to go for maximum yield!

Appolo, I dont see to much diff in the root structures between sats and indis, altho i never ran an experment? I prefer indica for my style, Short and bushy!!
Peace all!

 

[prod]

Heya !

I planted my cuttings in cups with coco but without
the rapid rooters. I hope this works. They have been
in the cups for about a week now, and I see no roots yet
Some leaves on the cuttings has also started
to turn yellow. Maybe i took too small cuttings.

One hps ballast ignitor is broken aswell >:| so now I
only have two bulbs working.