Silver's second straight-bulb several strain sweetened soil sweetness. Seriously.

[Jonnybgood29]

Hhet who dat, hows it going? Not sure how much silver used, but to kill fungis gnats in soil i use 2-4 tablespoons per quart of water starting with the smaller amount first. If still see fungus gnats after 1 week at that rate, i switch to the higher amount as long as plants dont respond negatively. DO NOT use anywhere near those rates in hydro systems! As it will dissolve you roots!

 

[mort goldman]

Aspirin has a major ingredient - Salicylic Acid which I'm sure is similar to Silicic acid.

On the website they spell it out like this. Silicic Acid (Si) – Nutrient transporter

Si = Silicon

I think they say silicic acid because it is made chemically and they also don't want to expose the basic ingredient that is the same as many cheaper products which use a similar rate of feeding but I'm guessing theirs is less potent than protekt at 7.8%

All of the benefits they list are the benefits of Silicon.

Salicylic acid contains no Si in it.
I am pretty sure these two compounds are unrelated.
From prior knowledge, Salicylic acid has a structure that contains a benzene ring.
Silicic acid is is an acid type group (-OH) attached to a Si group.

I think that the Silicic acid is just a way to get SI more readily available

 

[silver hawaiian]

Hmm. Dare I say I used a smidgen more'n 2-4 TBSP/qt, .. I actually mixed it with water at 1:4 (one part h2o2, 4 parts h2o).

 

[Jonnybgood29]

Still not a bad thing silver, like i said hard to f up in soil with it, but that mixture is what i use to cleand hydroton with as well

 

[dank.frank]

Truthfully in soil its real hard to get too much h2o2 as it reacts with the soil and dissipates rapidly, it usially belps the beneficial microbes to add it regularly as it does increase the available oxygen in the soil and brakdown the bad roots caused by the damage from the gnats and break th down as well

Do you have documentation or a study that shows support of this statement?



dank.Frank

 

[Ichabod Crane]

You guy might want to state the percent of H2O2 you are using.

 

[bobblehead]

Truthfully in soil its real hard to get too much h2o2 as it reacts with the soil and dissipates rapidly, it usially belps the beneficial microbes to add it regularly as it does increase the available oxygen in the soil and brakdown the bad roots caused by the damage from the gnats and break th down as well

Do you have documentation or a study that shows support of this statement?



dank.Frank

I only have the knowledge in my head from chemistry and microbiology... But I will vouch for jonnybgood. Aerobes have an enzyme called oxidase that helps them deal with the oxidation reactions caused by oxygen. As I'm sure many of you know, wood or paper burning is an oxidation reaction, no oxygen, no fire. When we breath air, our cells are being oxidized... But we have oxidase to protect us.

So... The oxygen from added H2O2 accelerates the break down of anaerobes and dead organic material... As long as you're not talking straight 35% H2O2 cause that shit burns.

 

[silver hawaiian]

Good call Ich. For clarity's sake, I was using 3% h2o2 at a mixture of 1:4 h2o2:h2o.

So here's the question - would there be any significant benefit (worth muckin' with the order of the universe) to applying h2o2 at a similar rate to plants in flower?

 

[bobblehead]

Yes. It wouldn't hurt. Extra perlite might be a better way to boost O2 levels on a more consistent basis however...

 

[silver hawaiian]

Yes. It wouldn't hurt. Extra perlite might be a better way to boost O2 levels on a more consistent basis however...

I use a product that's similar, from recycled glass or godknowswhat.

Anyway, I've been thinking about increasing its presence in the mix, for this exact reason..

 

[MileHighGuy]

What the Heck? Are we in some parallel universe?

The top of your soil is where all the goodness is! Please don't F' it up with H202.

Just sprinkle some Neem Meal on top... then cover with Earth worm castings.

BAM no more Gnats. AND you still have a fully living soil.

I'm sure there are arguments for the use of H202.... but they make no sense to me. There are methods to get a better result without messing with the micro-herd.

IMO people that advocate using this product are still transitioning from Hydro - or Chem Soil into a Living soil.

Edit: I've seen many Gardening websites recommend this as well, but they all agree that constant application in soil is a no no... so to directly answer your question. I wouldn't use in flower or at all... unless there was a direct need for it... like fly larvae etc.

 

[silver hawaiian]

This seems to be a point of contention. I understand the concept that it's harmful to the beneficial critters us organic folk are cultivating, but I have to say - from my few applications, I can't say anyone is worse for the wear. Quite the opposite, actually.

That having been said, I'd not consider any sort of "regular" h2o2 applications. But I do think it's worth noting the benefits of intermittent use, and exploring at what point it truly becomes counterproductive/harmful.

In my dumb brain, when I was initially sketchy even to use h2o2 at all, I figured, "Well, I'll just push heavy with some meaty ACTs after I do the deed.."

I can understand that, in a long term, the application of ACTs may not necessarily "replace" the bennies that the h2o2 might kill, in a tit-for-tat sense, and in an immediate sense..

But, short story long, a handful of applications definitely hasn't left me with scorched earth.

 

[bobblehead]

I would think that applying H2O2 could be beneficial in the instance your plants needed MORE nutrients... B/c as I stated, the beneficial aerobic microbes can handle the highly unstable H2O2 molecule in reasonable concentrations... And the break-down of the organic nutrients would be accelerated... Probably not something to apply every week. I'm just a chem/coco guy though.

 

[Jonnybgood29]

mhg, thats why i recommended it to silver. to get rid of a fungus gnat situation that he is having. and bobblehead i agree with you that it is beneficial to use regular weak applications to omprove oxygen levels, but that is something that each individual has to determine is right for them. i am not trying to start an arguement as i have never done a fully organic grow, but i used to add h2o2 in every watering at a rate of 2oz per gallon of water and my plants always trived for it. the fact that h2o2 is very volitile and rreactive breaking down to only free oxygen and water makes it a viable alternative to neem or bayer products that remain active for some time and in tneem oil, can actually smother roots. never used neem meal so i cannot comment on its effects other than it still remains in the soil active for some time and leeched oil out of it. i have also found h2o2 very effective against pythium root rot as it kills the fungus and breaks down the dead roots to help prevent reinfection of the healthy root mass.

 

[Jonnybgood29]

http://www.quickgrow.com/gardening_articles/hydrogen_peroxide_horticulture.html
http://www.ehow.com/info_10049889_effects-hydrogen-peroxide-plants.html
hope this helps dankfrank

 

[Greenheart]

I don't want to discourage you but I never had luck with 3% over the counter h2o2 when I had an RA outbreak. I used undilluted and dunked each base for at least a minute. I finally tossed everything when the wife started using a red poker on me one day. I wish you the best SH. If its gnats have you tried dunks yet? Forgive me if you have but I'm on my way out the door and was hoping for some sweet bud porn when I found this sad news in it's place.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

H2O2 degrades to just water over time so it is important to get fresh stuff every so often. When I was in a lab that stored it we would replace it every six month's. It will last longer than that but needs to be tested. Just pour it on something it normally reacts with and if there is no reaction it has degraded.

 

[silver hawaiian]

LOL

Lemme be clear y'all - ain't no damned root aphids, and we appear to be past this minorminorminor fungus gnat larvae situation. Wouldn't even use the word "infestation."

Transplanted a couple of the veggers today - no commotion goin' down under the earf, y'dig?

 

[Ichabod Crane]

So you have spider mites up top, I dig.

 

[silver hawaiian]