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shiva82

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What are you spraying to counter fungus gnats? We were trying to control algae and fungus gnats at the nursery where I worked. Have to be careful doing appliccations to media as it can really effect the plants. Always do a couple test flats. My boss was on the edge of retirement, and decided to spread a granular product to try it out across a lot of flats, and ended up burning a lot of oak seed in germination stage.

It can be hard to get the rate correct too. Do you have issues with algae? Fungus gnats are a pain, and they can be persistant.

Do you spray the media of your plants? Allow it to go through dry cycles to prevent fungus gnats from thriving on moist media.

Yeah, perhaps the tropical mix were more sensitive to some growth factor, it is winter and may not have liked cooler nights.

Are the tropical mix hybrids I guess or are they more inbred. Can't remember what mixture of strains it was. :smoke:

Glad you have the spacemonkey for proper meds. Praise God. Exactly what you need, fresh!!!! I feel the same way here with my meds! God is good! Use responsibly, hope you aren't getting too sleepy with it. Can always drink more coffee to compensate. Mmmmm. :smoke:
to kill any soil larvae and not effect the plants i use a combination of , rapeseed oil , pyrethrum, fatty acid or safer soap water mix. you can buy similar products ready made too. to kill mould around the place or clean down i have a bottle of liquid oxygen, or i just use thick bleach diluted , then i use soap and water, then i use alcohol wipes. and to keep less bugs wanting to come near i mist areas with a neem soap mix , and put neem on my intake filters etc . my house is half a building site , and i have huge compost bins out the back near my iopen windows, and i use soil. and i'm in the uk. so i'm prime for fungus twats .
 

pipeline

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Yeah we would spray the Houses after plants were removed with high concentrantion bleach spray. 1 cup per gal or so I think it was. It had lots of chlorine gas after the bleach spray. Does that affect your plants or do you move them out to clean and treat for mold with bleach?

Would hydrogen peroxide work for cleaning? Is that the liquid oxygen product you mentioned?
 

shiva82

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contact , not systemic. if you are toking or eating the herb. easy ways to kill bugs systemic , but it could be dangerous to consume. at the farm we use a rapeseed , pyrethrum , fatty acid mix home made. heres an old bottle of where i got the idea from . i tested it and worked great. better than other products designed for gnats , such as'gnat off' etc . i don't use it as foliar spray though . just as a safe soil soak if i have a infestation
 

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shiva82

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diatomaceous earth does not work , but is a great silica source. it works for maybe the first minute , until it absorbs and holds water . some of the best buds i have grown were under t5s lights within an inch of the tips with a layer of diatomaceous earth on top of the soil . the gnats still got in though haha
 

shiva82

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pyrethrum is a great product to have around. natural. fast acting , and fast degrading

i use the 5ec. i noticed it has doubled in price recently
 

pipeline

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Yeah contact pesticides not systemic for cannabis, a critical distinction. That sounds like a great mix, although I don't think its considered organic here even though pyrethrin is from chrysanthemum. The fatty acids are just soap I guess, we have insecticidal soap which is probably the same as fatty acids, or is that something different?

Will have to see if what products are available for organic production, although safety factor is the biggest, so pyrethrins could turn out to be the safest product even if not classified for use in organic production by the USDA (US Dept. of Agriculture).
 

pipeline

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Wouldn't want the diatomaceous earth to be in flowers to prevent inhalation!!!!

May be detrimental effects of diatomaceous earth on soil microorganisms, they talked about that on the Potcast.

Usually diatomaceous earth is used as a foliar dust before flower I guess? Can use diatomaceous earth for fleas in carpet.
 

shiva82

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Wouldn't want the diatomaceous earth to be in flowers to prevent inhalation!!!!

May be detrimental effects of diatomaceous earth on soil microorganisms, they talked about that on the Potcast.

Usually diatomaceous earth is used as a foliar dust before flower I guess? Can use diatomaceous earth for fleas in carpet.
it is only useful of a insect killer while dry and dusty indeed. in the soil it becomes wet the moment it contacts damp to wet soil . it solidyfies on the surface, goes like a crust. it is formed in the earth naturally , bottom of the ocean and such . i found it to slow release silica , and the plants could handle the closeness of the light s and they also formed thick dense pretty colas

dusted across carpet would dehydrate any soft bodied insects that crawled over . like fragments of sharp gass too . soft in our hands. razors to bugs . cut and dehydrate on contact

you don't want to be throwing it around your grow rooms and inhaling the dust
 

pipeline

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Ever bring in beneficial insects like lady bug to deal with indoor pests? Would have to feed them once they eat up the pests.

The Lord takes care of my garden, all I do is water. :smoke:

Nice tunes. Kindhearted men there, all about business. :smoke:

Just did a lap around the back fields at the park. Saw a hawk perched in a tree and it didn't move so got a good look at it. Dogs are getting older so had to run after one, then run after the other, so I got some conditioning execises in!

Smokin' and tokin' the pipes. Having a good day. Drank all my coffee, hit the spot this morning as I had to make up for yesterday's reading.

Like that, how Jesus tells you that the stomach purifies all foods. God said we can eat anything in creation, He has given it to us for food! Its what comes out of a man that defiles a man, not what goes in.

He's given us all the animals as well as all the plants, whose seed is in it, to eat. :smoke:
 

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i have to spray my tent down once a week usually to counter fungus gnats, and i got a bit carried away soaking everywhere,without thinking of the implications of wet timber. there was some black mould under the timber . i cleaned it all out at 1 am baked out my mind. i had a siesta yesterday so i was up later . could of been the cause . always best to clean up and make sure regardless
I use yellow sticky pads liberally for the FNs. Some on the soil, some hanging. I think they come from the BAS ‘top dress’ I was using. That is the only time I get them.

The spray is reserved for Spider Mites. I use ‘Green Clean’, which I think is soap. Better to avoid those by filtering the air being blown into the tent.
 

pipeline

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Thats a good idea, sticky pads. Forgot about that one. There are different ones for inspecting and scouting for their presence, and ones to use for control I guess.
 

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Leviticus 11 NKJV

Foods Permitted and Forbidden​

11 Now the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying, ‘These are the animals which you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth: 3 Among the animals, whatever divides the hoof, having cloven hooves and chewing the cud—that you may eat. 4 Nevertheless these you shall not eat among those that chew the cud or those that have cloven hooves: the camel, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is [a]unclean to you; 5 the [b]rock hyrax, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is [c]unclean to you; 6 the hare, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 7 and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. 8 Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. They are unclean to you.


9 ‘These you may eat of all that are in the water: whatever in the water has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers—that you may eat. 10 But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are [d]an abomination to you. 11 They shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination. 12 Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales—that shall be an abomination to you.


13 ‘And these you shall regard as an abomination among the birds; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, the vulture, the buzzard, 14 the kite, and the falcon after its kind; 15 every raven after its kind, 16 the ostrich, the short-eared owl, the sea gull, and the hawk after its kind; 17 the little owl, the fisher owl, and the screech owl; 18 the white owl, the jackdaw, and the carrion vulture; 19 the stork, the heron after its kind, the hoopoe, and the bat.


20 ‘All flying insects that creep on all fours shall be an abomination to you. 21 Yet these you may eat of every flying insect that creeps on all fours: those which have jointed legs above their feet with which to leap on the earth. 22 These you may eat: the locust after its kind, the destroying locust after its kind, the cricket after its kind, and the grasshopper after its kind. 23 But all other flying insects which have four feet shall be an abomination to you.


Unclean Animals​

24 ‘By these you shall become [e]unclean; whoever touches the carcass of any of them shall be unclean until evening; 25 whoever carries part of the carcass of any of them shall wash his clothes and be unclean until evening: 26 The carcass of any animal which divides the foot, but is not cloven-hoofed or does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. Everyone who touches it shall be unclean. 27 And whatever goes on its paws, among all kinds of animals that go on all fours, those are unclean to you. Whoever touches any such carcass shall be unclean until evening. 28 Whoever carries any such carcass shall wash his clothes and be unclean until evening. It is unclean to you.


29 ‘These also shall be unclean to you among the creeping things that creep on the earth: the mole, the mouse, and the large lizard after its kind; 30 the gecko, the monitor lizard, the sand reptile, the sand lizard, and the chameleon. 31 These are unclean to you among all that creep. Whoever touches them when they are dead shall be unclean until evening. 32 Anything on which any of them falls, when they are dead shall be [f]unclean, whether it is any item of wood or clothing or skin or sack, whatever item it is, in which any work is done, it must be put in water. And it shall be unclean until evening; then it shall be clean. 33 Any earthen vessel into which any of them falls you shall break; and whatever is in it shall be unclean: 34 in such a vessel, any edible food upon which water falls becomes unclean, and any drink that may be drunk from it becomes unclean. 35 And everything on which a part of any such carcass falls shall be unclean; whether it is an oven or cooking stove, it shall be broken down; for they are unclean, and shall be unclean to you. 36 Nevertheless a spring or a cistern, in which there is plenty of water, shall be clean, but whatever touches any such carcass becomes unclean. 37 And if a part of any such carcass falls on any planting seed which is to be sown, it remains clean. 38 But if water is put on the seed, and if a part of any such carcass falls on it, it becomes [g]unclean to you.


39 ‘And if any animal which you may eat dies, he who touches its carcass shall be unclean until evening. 40 He who eats of its carcass shall wash his clothes and be unclean until evening. He also who carries its carcass shall wash his clothes and be unclean until evening.


41 ‘And every creeping thing that creeps on the earth shall be [h]an abomination. It shall not be eaten. 42 Whatever crawls on its belly, whatever goes on all fours, or whatever has many feet among all creeping things that creep on the earth—these you shall not eat, for they are an abomination. 43 You shall not make [i]yourselves [j]abominable with any creeping thing that creeps; nor shall you make yourselves unclean with them, lest you be defiled by them. 44 For I am the Lord your God. You shall therefore consecrate yourselves, and you shall be holy; for I am holy. Neither shall you defile yourselves with any creeping thing that creeps on the earth. 45 For I am the Lord who brings you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God. You shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.


46 ‘This is the law [k]of the animals and the birds and every living creature that moves in the waters, and of every creature that creeps on the earth, 47 to distinguish between the unclean and the clean, and between the animal that may be eaten and the animal that may not be eaten.’ ”

Mark 6 NKJV

Jesus Rejected at Nazareth​

6 Then He went out from there and came to His own country, and His disciples followed Him. 2 And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue. And many hearing Him were astonished, saying, “Where did this Man get these things? And what wisdom is this which is given to Him, that such mighty works are performed by His hands! 3 Is this not the carpenter, the Son of Mary, and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are not His sisters here with us?” So they were offended at Him.


4 But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country, among his own relatives, and in his own house.” 5 Now He could do no mighty work there, except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them. 6 And He marveled because of their unbelief. Then He went about the villages in a circuit, teaching.


Sending Out the Twelve​

7 And He called the twelve to Himself, and began to send them out two by two, and gave them power over unclean spirits. 8 He commanded them to take nothing for the journey except a staff—no bag, no bread, no copper in their money belts— 9 but to wear sandals, and not to put on two tunics.


10 Also He said to them, “In whatever place you enter a house, stay there till you depart from that place. 11 And [a]whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them. [b]Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!”


12 So they went out and preached that people should repent. 13 And they cast out many demons, and anointed with oil many who were sick, and healed them.


John the Baptist Beheaded​

14 Now King Herod heard of Him, for His name had become well known. And he said, “John the Baptist is risen from the dead, and therefore these powers are at work in him.”


15 Others said, “It is Elijah.”

And others said, “It is [c]the Prophet, or like one of the prophets.”


16 But when Herod heard, he said, “This is John, whom I beheaded; he has been raised from the dead!” 17 For Herod himself had sent and laid hold of John, and bound him in prison for the sake of Herodias, his brother Philip’s wife; for he had married her. 18 Because John had said to Herod, “It is not lawful for you to have your brother’s wife.”


19 Therefore Herodias [d]held it against him and wanted to kill him, but she could not; 20 for Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just and holy man, and he protected him. And when he heard him, he [e]did many things, and heard him gladly.


21 Then an opportune day came when Herod on his birthday gave a feast for his nobles, the high officers, and the chief men of Galilee. 22 And when Herodias’ daughter herself came in and danced, and pleased Herod and those who sat with him, the king said to the girl, “Ask me whatever you want, and I will give it to you.” 23 He also swore to her, “Whatever you ask me, I will give you, up to half my kingdom.”


24 So she went out and said to her mother, “What shall I ask?”

And she said, “The head of John the Baptist!”


25 Immediately she came in with haste to the king and asked, saying, “I want you to give me at once the head of John the Baptist on a platter.”


26 And the king was exceedingly sorry; yet, because of the oaths and because of those who sat with him, he did not want to refuse her. 27 Immediately the king sent an executioner and commanded his head to be brought. And he went and beheaded him in prison, 28 brought his head on a platter, and gave it to the girl; and the girl gave it to her mother. 29 When his disciples heard of it, they came and took away his corpse and laid it in a tomb.


Feeding the Five Thousand​

30 Then the apostles gathered to Jesus and told Him all things, both what they had done and what they had taught. 31 And He said to them, “Come aside by yourselves to a deserted place and rest a while.” For there were many coming and going, and they did not even have time to eat. 32 So they departed to a deserted place in the boat by themselves.


33 But [f]the multitudes saw them departing, and many knew Him and ran there on foot from all the cities. They arrived before them and came together to Him. 34 And Jesus, when He came out, saw a great multitude and was moved with compassion for them, because they were like sheep not having a shepherd. So He began to teach them many things. 35 When the day was now far spent, His disciples came to Him and said, “This is a deserted place, and already the hour is late. 36 Send them away, that they may go into the surrounding country and villages and buy themselves [g]bread; for they have nothing to eat.”


37 But He answered and said to them, “You give them something to eat.”

And they said to Him, “Shall we go and buy two hundred denarii worth of bread and give them something to eat?”


38 But He said to them, “How many loaves do you have? Go and see.”

And when they found out they said, “Five, and two fish.”


39 Then He commanded them to make them all sit down in groups on the green grass. 40 So they sat down in ranks, in hundreds and in fifties. 41 And when He had taken the five loaves and the two fish, He looked up to heaven, blessed and broke the loaves, and gave them to His disciples to set before them; and the two fish He divided among them all. 42 So they all ate and were filled. 43 And they took up twelve baskets full of fragments and of the fish. 44 Now those who had eaten the loaves were [h]about five thousand men.


Jesus Walks on the Sea​

45 Immediately He [i]made His disciples get into the boat and go before Him to the other side, to Bethsaida, while He sent the multitude away. 46 And when He had sent them away, He departed to the mountain to pray. 47 Now when evening came, the boat was in the middle of the sea; and He was alone on the land. 48 Then He saw them straining at rowing, for the wind was against them. Now about the fourth watch of the night He came to them, walking on the sea, and would have passed them by. 49 And when they saw Him walking on the sea, they supposed it was a ghost, and cried out; 50 for they all saw Him and were troubled. But immediately He talked with them and said to them, “Be[j] of good cheer! It is I; do not be afraid.” 51 Then He went up into the boat to them, and the wind ceased. And they were greatly amazed in themselves beyond measure, and marveled. 52 For they had not understood about the loaves, because their heart was hardened.


Many Touch Him and Are Made Well​

53 When they had crossed over, they came to the land of Gennesaret and anchored there. 54 And when they came out of the boat, immediately [k]the people recognized Him, 55 ran through that whole surrounding region, and began to carry about on beds those who were sick to wherever they heard He was. 56 Wherever He entered, into villages, cities, or the country, they laid the sick in the marketplaces, and begged Him that they might just touch the hem of His garment. And as many as touched Him were made well.

Mark 7 NKJV

Defilement Comes from Within​

7 Then the Pharisees and some of the scribes came together to Him, having come from Jerusalem. 2 Now [a]when they saw some of His disciples eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, [b]they found fault. 3 For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands [c]in a special way, holding the tradition of the elders. 4 When they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other things which they have received and hold, like the washing of cups, pitchers, copper vessels, and couches.


5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?”


6 He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:

‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—[d]the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”


9 He said to them, “All too well you [e]reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 11 But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban”—’ (that is, a gift to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother, 13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”


14 When He had called all the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear Me, everyone, and understand: 15 There is nothing that enters a man from outside which can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are the things that defile a man. 16 If[f] anyone has ears to hear, let him hear!”


17 When He had entered a house away from the crowd, His disciples asked Him concerning the parable. 18 So He said to them, “Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, [g]thus purifying all foods?” 20 And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”


A Gentile Shows Her Faith​

24 From there He arose and went to the region of Tyre [h]and Sidon. And He entered a house and wanted no one to know it, but He could not be hidden. 25 For a woman whose young daughter had an unclean spirit heard about Him, and she came and fell at His feet. 26 The woman was a [i]Greek, a [j]Syro-Phoenician by birth, and she kept [k]asking Him to cast the demon out of her daughter. 27 But Jesus said to her, “Let the children be filled first, for it is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.”


28 And she answered and said to Him, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs under the table eat from the children’s crumbs.”


29 Then He said to her, “For this saying go your way; the demon has gone out of your daughter.”


30 And when she had come to her house, she found the demon gone out, and her daughter lying on the bed.


Jesus Heals a Deaf-Mute​

31 Again, departing from the region of Tyre and Sidon, He came through the midst of the region of Decapolis to the Sea of Galilee. 32 Then they brought to Him one who was deaf and had an impediment in his speech, and they begged Him to put His hand on him. 33 And He took him aside from the multitude, and put His fingers in his ears, and He spat and touched his tongue. 34 Then, looking up to heaven, He sighed, and said to him, “Ephphatha,” that is, “Be opened.”


35 Immediately his ears were opened, and the [l]impediment of his tongue was loosed, and he spoke plainly. 36 Then He commanded them that they should tell no one; but the more He commanded them, the more widely they proclaimed it. 37 And they were astonished beyond measure, saying, “He has done all things well. He makes both the deaf to hear and the mute to speak.”


Love how you have to read the Old Testament along with the New Testament to get the entire view. God has spoken through the prophets. I learn something new from the Scripture as I read it new each year. :smoke:

I think we could look at some of the excluded prophetic books for views of God so long as it is in context and agrees with the other prophecy in the Bible. If they were prophets during that time and were referenced in other Scripture or legitimate commentaries, would be worth looking into for sure.

Let God and Christ be your teacher though, helping you to rightly divide the Word of truth by the Spirit.
 

RobFromTX

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silverhashplant88 . final week . touch of rust on a couple of leaves . nothing major . i have a funny feeling the timber is damp and enabling some fungal spores. . i'm going to move the silver tomorrow and bleach down that zone , and get under the timber . it is not too heavy . no big deal

Looking good brother. Nice and frosty :smoke:
 
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