Impressive for the vertical grow.
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Seriously SILY - A Branch Blooming Diary
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Thanks Obsession & Mars Hydro 
My MOMF is doing well. Each one of those clusters is a different strain. Two are actually Lemon Meringue cause two grafts healed so I’m just gonna use one as a place holder and replace it with one of the next strains I grow out.
Bottom Left: Peyote Cookies
Bottom right: GG
Middle Left: Sugar Black Rose
Middle right: Lemon Meringue (place holder)
Top right: Lemon Meringue
Tangelo host branch all the way in the back
Bottom Left: Peyote Cookies
Bottom right: GG
Middle Left: Sugar Black Rose
Middle right: Lemon Meringue (place holder)
Top right: Lemon Meringue
Tangelo host branch all the way in the back
hahaha thanks! Blooming branches "outside the box". Probably shoulda' titled the thread with that.
Pleased to report that so far the outside the box experiment is going very well. Things are so far going according to plan.
I've just recently thinned, lollipoped and tied down the outside of the box which is 14 days into flower. The inside of the box is still vegging and maybe the kelp spray helped because they're a bit darker green now.
Here's another inside the box picture.
I also just tied the Sugar black Rose in the tent next door.
I somewhat recently tied down the Peyote Cookies but some more tweaking is needed and I didn't finish it completely the last time I tied it down. Some branches are sticking out taller then the rest, mostly in the back.
I tried to upload a couple short videos that just show a good view of the plants but they’re not in my album. Can some one tell me how to post short videos? They're 15 seconds and 18 seconds.
I also just tied the Sugar black Rose in the tent next door.
I somewhat recently tied down the Peyote Cookies but some more tweaking is needed and I didn't finish it completely the last time I tied it down. Some branches are sticking out taller then the rest, mostly in the back.
I tried to upload a couple short videos that just show a good view of the plants but they’re not in my album. Can some one tell me how to post short videos? They're 15 seconds and 18 seconds.
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My Air Layering is lookin pretty good. It’s been 10days since I started it and it has a lot of that pre-root mass going and will most likely be throwing roots in the next 2-5 days. I just took the wrapper off the RW plug and trimmed it down so the top and bottom is left exposed. I meant to do this around day 5-7 so that I could monitor the moisture level of the RW and let it dry out every 2-3 days. I squirted a little water in there twice during those 10 days and when I took the wrapper off today it was almost dry but still had a touch of moisture.
I’ve recently topped the branch. My plan is to let the resulting two grows pretty much grow natural with top light at first then I’ll add some side lighting and I’ll most likely be pruning the growths that grow inward toward the other branch. This way when I flower in between two of fixtures hung vertically it’ll fill the space a little better then just one central growth. I’ll probably put two 4’ steaks in the planter and tie tomatoe cage to steaks and the plant so I have the grid in the middle to anchor heavy branches too and re position things a bit but I really want to do as little training as possible with these. I usually do 2-3 training sessions per 2x4 canopy that might take me a few hours each. I’d love to reduce that to just minor tweaks here and there only.
I also plan to graft a few cuts of each strain on the plant about a week or two before I flower them so that I can harvest mostly one strain each month but have a little of all them on hand.
I’ve recently topped the branch. My plan is to let the resulting two grows pretty much grow natural with top light at first then I’ll add some side lighting and I’ll most likely be pruning the growths that grow inward toward the other branch. This way when I flower in between two of fixtures hung vertically it’ll fill the space a little better then just one central growth. I’ll probably put two 4’ steaks in the planter and tie tomatoe cage to steaks and the plant so I have the grid in the middle to anchor heavy branches too and re position things a bit but I really want to do as little training as possible with these. I usually do 2-3 training sessions per 2x4 canopy that might take me a few hours each. I’d love to reduce that to just minor tweaks here and there only.
I also plan to graft a few cuts of each strain on the plant about a week or two before I flower them so that I can harvest mostly one strain each month but have a little of all them on hand.
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I am a little curious about the vertical grow.
The flower might be bent when they grow bigger. Will that affect the growth or final yield?
Sorry for my ignorance about this.
The flower might be bent when they grow bigger. Will that affect the growth or final yield?
Sorry for my ignorance about this.
I am a little curious about the vertical grow.
The flower might be bent when they grow bigger. Will that affect the growth or final yield?
Hey Mars, no worries, I appreciate your interest and the dialogue, I was starting to feel lonely in here
I'm guessing you're thinking that the weight of the flowers might cause branches to "bend" or fall towards the lights?
This strain grows very dense flowers and has a whole lot of bud sites; Lemon Meringue is a terrific yielder, but the flowers don't get very large in size. They're like little rocks. I've grown this plant out once before in a standard horizontal scrog, the branches were tall above the screen and held up the weight of the flowers with ease.
Because this strain has such sturdy stems and upright posture I don't anticipate any bending or falling towards the lights.
That being said, even if this was a strain with heavy large flowers and less sturdy stems; the branches are tied flat to the screen just about everywhere. So they wouldn't fall or bend very much at all.
If it was a heavy leaning cola type strain and flowers were all falling over I could and would just tie them back once more to the screen in a mostly vertical position but let them lean a little bit toward the light.
I don't think the flowers bending would hurt growth or yield very much at all as long as they didn't shade each other out by one falling in front of the other's light, which I wouldn't let happen. I'm very controlling with my girls canopies.
If what you were meaning was the flower tops bending toward the light, like in the middle of the flower to "aim for" or "be facing" the light, in my experience that doesn't really happen with vertical grows. I've seen flower tops grow bent right in the middle of the flowers when I've tied a branch down horizontally a little too late into flower. The top want's to orient itself back to a vertical position I believe, not towards the light above, but it just wants to be vertical, which is why it doesn't really happen with a vertical canopy, because the flowers are happy being vertical.
Any branches that I've had to tie in a downward position however, most of which are at the bottom third of the canopy, and every branch that is at the very bottom; those get all confused and twist themselves strangely trying to reorient to a vertical position. Some of them pop back up facing the right direction but some of them curve toward the box instead of toward the light and I've had to re adjust them in an attempt to "untwist" the tops or turn the bud more toward the light. I believe those tops probably lose a bit momentum in all their confusion and twisting in an attempt to get vertical again and not be upside down.
Sorry for the long winded answer! heh. I hope that shines some light on the subject for ya though.
Here’s one of those upside down branches that was turning inward toward the box. I had to reposition and the best I could get was for it to face sideways.
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PCBuds
Well-known member
, ... I appreciate your interest and the dialogue, I was starting to feel lonely in here
I think that's because nobody really knows what's going to happen.
This hasn't been done before (as far as we know?) so it's hard to offer any advice or input.
You've had a lot of views of this thread and there's a lot of people interested.
We're all just waiting for any answers you can provide.
Maybe you can publish your results!!
imakandi
Member
hello
scrgomonter
me too visit every day
is good diary
can ask? mayb you say before
this plant only one root system
when full bloom
what you do for nutrient?
normal i change balance of P-K and Ca-Mg
but change affflict pH to up, like 6.2-6.3
after i start low ec to prepare flush
this is good for bud
for plant and sustrate
is bad
after bloom you cut buds, still veg plant inside?
mayb salt build because of bloom nutrient ec ?
if no change balance, mayb bud is small?
but is imakandi think
only in mind
mayb is fool ask
sorry for ask
thank to share
is very good
scrgomonter
me too visit every day
is good diary
can ask? mayb you say before
this plant only one root system
when full bloom
what you do for nutrient?
normal i change balance of P-K and Ca-Mg
but change affflict pH to up, like 6.2-6.3
after i start low ec to prepare flush
this is good for bud
for plant and sustrate
is bad
after bloom you cut buds, still veg plant inside?
mayb salt build because of bloom nutrient ec ?
if no change balance, mayb bud is small?
but is imakandi think
only in mind
mayb is fool ask
sorry for ask
thank to share
is very good
WTF is going on here?
Good stuff, especially the swing about perpetual grafting onto the same motherplant.
Pulling up a chair
CC
Good stuff, especially the swing about perpetual grafting onto the same motherplant.
Pulling up a chair
CC
PCBuds
Well-known member
Thanks for all the kind words and support fellas! 
PCBuds - I’m just needy and like lots of attention.
Chevy cHaze - nothing, no one, uh.... it’s a science project... for school!
I grow with mostly Down To Earth dry organic fertilizers. I just added a little fresh soil to the top and mixed into that soil 1 TBSP of DTE (Down to Earth) Bio Thrive, and 3-4 TBSP of DTE Rose and Bloom mix.
For the most part, all their food is mixed in with the soil and I don’t measure or adjust PH. I just keep the soil wet with plain tap water and nature does the rest. Sometimes I add a little GO Bloom (bottled organic liquid fertilizer) to the water. I imagine it gives a little boost. The day I flipped the lights back I gave everything a strong dose of GO Bloom and I think it helped them stretch less and flower sooner. Everything was done stretching and had small buds by the end of week 2.
Any ways... If I was going to keep this plant going indefinitely, I would be root pruning every harvest or two. In case you don’t know exactly what that entails Imakandi, you take the soil mass out of the planter and cut off 1-3 inches from all four sides and the bottom, then put it back in the container and add fresh soil. With the size of the planter I believe I could cut off a good 3 inches and that might be close 1/3 or at least 1/4 of the soil. I don’t think I have to worry too much about salt build up because I’m using all organic nutrients and almost always water with just plain water. I would probably still flush the soil out here and there, probably right before root pruning and adding fresh soil and food.
PCBuds - I’m just needy and like lots of attention.
Chevy cHaze - nothing, no one, uh.... it’s a science project... for school!
hello
can ask? mayb you say before
this plant only one root system
when full bloom
what you do for nutrient?
normal i change balance of P-K and Ca-Mg
but change affflict pH to up, like 6.2-6.3
after i start low ec to prepare flush
this is good for bud
for plant and sustrate
is bad
after bloom you cut buds, still veg plant inside?
mayb salt build because of bloom nutrient ec ?
if no change balance, mayb bud is small?
but is imakandi think
sorry for ask
thank to share
is very good
I grow with mostly Down To Earth dry organic fertilizers. I just added a little fresh soil to the top and mixed into that soil 1 TBSP of DTE (Down to Earth) Bio Thrive, and 3-4 TBSP of DTE Rose and Bloom mix.
For the most part, all their food is mixed in with the soil and I don’t measure or adjust PH. I just keep the soil wet with plain tap water and nature does the rest. Sometimes I add a little GO Bloom (bottled organic liquid fertilizer) to the water. I imagine it gives a little boost. The day I flipped the lights back I gave everything a strong dose of GO Bloom and I think it helped them stretch less and flower sooner. Everything was done stretching and had small buds by the end of week 2.
Any ways... If I was going to keep this plant going indefinitely, I would be root pruning every harvest or two. In case you don’t know exactly what that entails Imakandi, you take the soil mass out of the planter and cut off 1-3 inches from all four sides and the bottom, then put it back in the container and add fresh soil. With the size of the planter I believe I could cut off a good 3 inches and that might be close 1/3 or at least 1/4 of the soil. I don’t think I have to worry too much about salt build up because I’m using all organic nutrients and almost always water with just plain water. I would probably still flush the soil out here and there, probably right before root pruning and adding fresh soil and food.
Some of these things are not like the others. This is the Sugar Black Rose plant that has a Peyote cookies Scion in there.
Who wants to play where’s Waldo?!
It’s early on in flowering so it’s not super obvious but it’s not that hard to tell either which tops aren’t like the rest. There are three “tops” and a couple secondary “lower buds” of Peyote cookies in there. Extra credit for pointing out the couple of secondary buds.
I’ll give it a couple days for people to try and point them out. If you really wanna play maybe you can download the picture and circle your guesses and post it. After a few days or so I’ll post the same pic with the Peyote Cookies tops marked with arrows or circles.
Who wants to play where’s Waldo?!
It’s early on in flowering so it’s not super obvious but it’s not that hard to tell either which tops aren’t like the rest. There are three “tops” and a couple secondary “lower buds” of Peyote cookies in there. Extra credit for pointing out the couple of secondary buds.
I’ll give it a couple days for people to try and point them out. If you really wanna play maybe you can download the picture and circle your guesses and post it. After a few days or so I’ll post the same pic with the Peyote Cookies tops marked with arrows or circles.
PCBuds
Well-known member
Yeah, well that didn't help...
Have you only got a 2 Meg camera or something? Lol
It's just blindfolded ring-toss right now. Lol
Haha it’s an IPhone XR...
PCBuds
Well-known member
PCBuds zoom out lol
I don't expect to be able to check the color of the trichs but it would be nice to be able to tell if you are looking at a cannabis flower or a dandelion. Lol
