Sensi Star is not Happy :(

[Guest]

Great answer. Probably burned the root tips off. Ebb and flo subirrigation requires about 1/2 as much ferts compared to watering overhead.

Well????


OK fine lets go with your theory that he overfed and burned his root tips off....


Are you making it up as you go????

His plants looked great up until the chlorosis began.....

The tips are pristine..... no wilting from root damage....
a good indication you are full of it....

the evidence shows its more likely he under fed than over fed....

 

[swampskunk]

i admit when i saw how hot he was running his nutes (albeit totally different brands, and method to boot) that was what really got my attention, cause i for sure burnt my star not realizing how it would react to levels my other plants ate up with a spoon and asked for more.... and i also know next to nothing about e/f, but i DO remember reading that canna products for a while were known to be light on mag....

 

[Guest]

Its a point worth discussing..... but I dont see any sign of the tips burning at all....

most plants when overfed react pretty quickly.....

One method of determining how much to feed is to keep increasing until tip damage is seen then back off some.....

I might be curious what his ppms were in veg.......

and what the ppm of his tap water is.....

I dont think he says he is using RO water....

but tap instead.....


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http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=1107052#post1107052


unfortunately Ive run into a limit of 10 posts today...... less than 50 posts...


so I have been shut up pretty successfully.....

however looking at the pics here there are clear signs of early mg def.....

ghosting and the like........

 

[swampskunk]

yep i knew better, but i got ahead of myself and dosed mine pretty good mid flower, went from about 800 to 1100 and wow what a reaction.

after my kneejerk reaction, looking closely at the pix and taking into consideration what i've heard about canna nutes i'm convinced you're right about the deficiency

 

[OsWiZzLe]

alright fellaz...i foliar fed them with AN Revive last night...i cut down the nute strength in HALF...and I'm using RO water with a PPM of like 12...i hope this turns things around...i hope this Revive shit does something

 

[Guest]

NUTIMENT NUTRIMENT SMALL......YOU HIGH THE LIVELL

 

[Guest]

Here is my input, since we both use the same nutes and coco...

You already flushed, so just drop the EC down to 1.2 then go up from there.. bump it around EC .2 each week. Just concentrate on the newer growth and let me know how things go...

btw what conversion factor are you using for the EC?

sorry, responded after reading your last update... sounds like you did the right thing =] Since your RO water is 12ppms, possibly add some tap water to the mix to get the ppms around 100-150.. or just use some calmag to get the ppms about the same..

 

[bergerbuddy]

Look.... You can follow anyones advice you want... I WOULD LOOK AT THE ADVISERS GALLERY!!!..

If you DO WHAT I SUGGESTED... I.e. give em PLAIN PH'd WATER... tap is fine.. but OF COURSE RO is better.... PH it at 5.7 then the next day 5.9 then the next day 6.1 THEN GO TO FERT... 8ml of A&B some rhizo and some zyme if you have em.. PH at 6.0 water!!!

You can do NO HARM by MISTING the plants with EPSOM SALT... I would do that... but NO MATTER WHAT YOUR PROBLEM IS!!!! IT WILL BE FIXED IF YOU DO AS I SUGGESTED!!

This is ALL DEPENDANT UPON YOU SAYIN YOU WERE FEEDING at 1700PPM... if that is what you were doing... then FOLLOW MY INSTRUCTIONS... if you want the problem solved..

I grow cannabis... I use canna coco.. I have grown Sensi Star... I think u WON"T be disappointed... Check out my gallery!

Peace
BB

 

[bergerbuddy]

Also... I Disagree with the mag def being the "primary" issue... here is a pic from CANNA.. the company that makes the coco and fert he is using... Mag issue NEVER show up in the TOP first.. never... FE..i.e. IRON is what SHOWS ON THE GROWING TIPS... as was correctly stated by didgeridoo but then he mis the diagnoses!! because of the IMMOBILITY of iron.. u see it on the GROWING TIPS first... NOT MAG!!! however... mag can be def too.. because in this case I believe he has his coco LOCKED... hence other minor deff too.. but what u are seeing on the growing tips.. and the leaves AT THE TOP.. is an IRON def... look!
MAG DEF-



IRON DEF-



Any questions??

Please didgeridoo stop bashing other users who offer advice, it lacks class.

Peace & love to all
BB

 

[Heady NUGs]

You have some sort of nute lockout. What is the begining ppm of your tap water?

1700 ppm is alot. Doing Sensi star right now, and 900 ppm seems about right.

 

[OsWiZzLe]

i used RO water which was less then 20 ppm...i flushed with Clearex and tap water that had a PPM of 195....i cut down the nute strength in half and applied Revive from AN via Foliar...anyone know how often i should apply this stuff?

 

[Guest]

Also... I Disagree with the mag def being the "primary" issue... here is a pic from CANNA.. the company that makes the coco and fert he is using... Mag issue NEVER show up in the TOP first.. never... FE..i.e. IRON is what SHOWS ON THE GROWING TIPS... as was correctly stated by didgeridoo but then he mis the diagnoses!! because of the IMMOBILITY of iron.. u see it on the GROWING TIPS first... NOT MAG!!! however... mag can be def too.. because in this case I believe he has his coco LOCKED... hence other minor deff too.. but what u are seeing on the growing tips.. and the leaves AT THE TOP.. is an IRON def... look!
MAG DEF-



IRON DEF-



Any questions??

Please didgeridoo stop bashing other users who offer advice, it lacks class.

Peace & love to all
BB

I explained this in great detail I wont do it again.....

This issue did not show up at the top first.....

A brief explanation that you can see with iron def.... in both the pic you show and the link I used....

Iron is immobile..... so when its iron deficiency the tips are often green then the plant runs out of iron the inner leaves go chlorotic.....

Just like in the pic you used....


This is not whats happening in this thread.....

I posted a link to a thread this guy put up prior to this one in sick plants....


in those pics its clear there is mag def in those pics......

Magnesium def doesnt show up in the tops....I explained that too...unless its severe....

magnesium is normally transferred from the next node down.... said that too.....

While I had thought he was using tap water.... That was what I attributed the high PPMs to without tip burning.....

1700 ppm and ro is pretty high....

<<Please didgeridoo stop bashing other users who offer advice, it lacks class.>>


Point out who I bashed???

The only person I bashed was some fool that said he knew what the problem was and wounldnt post....

I think you should spend more time thinking and less time criticizing....


especially since you are pretty clueless........

 

[Guest]

HH Deluxe three 600 watt lights growing in Canna Coco

Sensi Star, Silver Pearl and 1 Lion Piss cut.. is what I'm currently running..I've been having mad nute issues lately...Thanks to the chill people on this forum board I've been able to get my girls back to health..I've been vegging for almost a month now...Tonight they will be set to flower

I'm using a 3x6 tray and a 2x3 Turbo Garden both Ebb and Flow...I'm only watering once a day..Please feel free to let me know of anything I should do to get my crop looking str8

There are clear indication of Mg def in these pics..... just prior to this thread.....

Pic 3 shows clear indications of mag def ....... and it doesnt start in the tops....... tops are clean here.....


IRON DEF-




Perfect example of iron def...... green tips...chlorotic inner leaf

Look closely at the pics in this thread.....


here we see yellow tips and green interior parts.......


not iron.....

And clear indications of mg def in older growth......


What we dont see here are the classic signs of iron def.....


green tips and chlorotic interiors....

 

[Farmer John]

It does this to me when given too much NPK all together, here ya go.

Especially N did seem to do this, nowadays I no longer use nutes for soil plants, just soil, and in hydro SS is probably the most sensitive plant I have ever grown, just like C99 it seems to hate nutes lmao, grows best with 1/4 of what other plants eat, sort of a mystery still.

 

[Guest]

If you see the left side of the pic you see something you dont see in your pic.....

the interveinal chlorosis that is so distinct is quite unusual.....

 

[bergerbuddy]

If you see the left side of the pic you see something you dont see in your pic.....

the interveinal chlorosis that is so distinct is quite unusual.....

Ok Bro... You make a VERY GOOD ARGUMENT for MAG Def... However... If you read the WHOLE thing on MAG n IRON def.. at Canna.nl you will see that MAG def ALWAYS starts on MED level leaves... the leaves start breaking up the green with yellowing.. as the MAG MOVES to newer growth where it is needed.. IRON can't MOVE... so THE NEW GROWTH SHOWS FIRST...TOP LEAVES not MID LEVEL ONES..

While I STILL disagree with your opinion... I do RESPECT THE WAY YOU LAYED OUT UR VIEWS!! I could be wrong... "I" just don't think so!!

I was reffering to how u reacted to BV... the guy gave good advice and was not rude... and does his best to help... If you disagree.. say so.. but please don't make it personal... We are ALL here to help and enjoy the pix advice each other!!

Thanks again bro... I think that you and I DO AGREE on what should be done to fix it!!... I think revive can't hurt... and I even think the EPSOM salt MISTED was a good idea... but BOTTOM LINE... he needs to DROP HIS PH TO 5.7.. THEN 5.9 THEN 6.1... WITH PURE WATER for three days... to get the soil PH correct... giving them changing PH's allows for DIFFERENT nutes to have an opportunity to uptaken... and the soil to get cleaned out...

ALSO... I don't think.. and I hope u might agree.. that more than 8ml per gal of A&B PH'd at 6.0 is wise until these plants RE-GROUP and start rockin.. then I might bump it up.. BUT NO MORE than 10...PERIOD!!

Thanks for listening bro... and everyone one else!!

Peace
BB

 

[Guest]

Ok Bro... You make a VERY GOOD ARGUMENT for MAG Def... However... If you read the WHOLE thing on MAG n IRON def.. at Canna.nl you will see that MAG def ALWAYS starts on MED level leaves... the leaves start breaking up the green with yellowing.. as the MAG MOVES to newer growth where it is needed.. IRON can't MOVE... so THE NEW GROWTH SHOWS FIRST...TOP LEAVES not MID LEVEL ONES..

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I agree with your point here completely.....

When I look to diagnose a problem I look to where a problem can be seen first.....

In this case the first clear indication something was wrong was before this thread ...

and it was clear mag def.....

But I find it a little unusual because normally you see ghosting prior to the hard interveinal chlorosis you see here.....

About BV....


I posted why I was pissed at this guy......

He posted something then deleted it.....

Saying he knew what the problem was exactly... but refused to help.....

That strikes me as pissy.....

I dont really care what he did after that or how nice he seemed.......

and.... he never did say exactly what he thought it was.....

I dont trash people for helping.... but being pissy ....

I jumped his ass.....

If he wants to help fine..... if not.....

he can stfu.....

 

[Guest]

Enough already... he flushed and reduced his EC.. thats it.. problem solved.

 

[Guest]

Crystal ball????

 

[OsWiZzLe]

these girls are hating life right about now...i know one thing for sure....my lights are way too close to the plants...there air cooled but only 7 inches away i just hit the rez with AN Revive at 20 ml per gallon...i hope i see some turn around..these girls look like their dying PH going in is around 5.8 and coming out at 6.1-6.2

can these plants still pull good yields or are they toast?