Sensi Star is not Happy :(

[PissingShrimp]

Hi,
i tried to look up these symptoms in a book but it is too difficult. Thing is that this book isn´t specifically about cannabis and i lack the experience. Thus the symptoms in the book are quiet compareable to Grat3fulh3ad´s "Plant Nutrition and Visual Diagnosis" thread.
Here is a link with pictures of an additional webchapter:
http://4e.plantphys.net/article.php?ch=5&id=289

As i understand it is quiet difficult to diagnose because it also could be multiple deficencies (or infections or overdose symptoms or...).
Also it is useful to know the development of the symptoms from the start. So you can better distinguish between mobile and imobile elements or between normal chlorosis and chlorosis between veins. In later stadiums these symptoms may not be distinguishable anymore.
Btw:
Chlorosis in iron deficiencies is (according to the book) because "iron is required for the synthesis of some of the chlorophyll-protein complexes in chloroplasts." The interveinous pattern of "chlorosis results because the chlorophyll in the vascular bundles remains unaffected for longer periods than the chlorophyll in the cells between the bundles does" (Taiz, Zeiger (2006), Plant Physiology Fourth Edition. Sinauer).

This doesn´t help you much but i hope it does no harm.
Bye Bye

 

[bergerbuddy]

these girls are hating life right about now...i know one thing for sure....my lights are way too close to the plants...there air cooled but only 7 inches away i just hit the rez with AN Revive at 20 ml per gallon...i hope i see some turn around..these girls look like their dying PH going in is around 5.8 and coming out at 6.1-6.2

can these plants still pull good yields or are they toast?

That next to last pix... that is what the plants will look like when they start pullin out... the tips will green up... to some extent so will some of the younger yellow leaves...

I would SHIT CAN the revive... or just MIST WITH IT... as i THINK that is how it is supposed to be used.. I could be wrong..

Look.... You need to just FLUSH OUT ALL THE Stuff .... i Like your ph values... THEN... PUT 8MIL OF A & B TO GAL.... put some rizho... but some zyme... THAT IS IT..

I would be adding everything else BY FOLIAR APPLICATION... just stick with the above for the COCO...
DON"T SHIT CAN THE PLANTS.. THEY ARE STILL WORTH GROWIN OUT!

Get rid of EVERYTHING other than the canna products... FLUSH THE DAMN COCO.. and don't put other things into the rez PLEASE... just the canna stuff... MIST WITH REVIVE... don't put it on the roots...

Peace
BB

 

[bergerbuddy]

BTW..

WHEN U FLUSH YOUR MEDIUM... DO IT FROM THE TOP OF THE CONTAINERS... NOT THROUGH FLOOD!! Get rid of the water after it drains through... DO that TWO TIMES then go back to FERTS. Of course u can MIST during this time with the revive.. I would

PH 5.8 one time PH 6.0 next time.... when feeding. PH 6.0 no higher no lower than 5.8... 6.0 works fine most of the time.

Peace
BB

 

[Guest]

im with burgerbud..

whats your wattage per sqf?......id lift the lamps a little, no good hard driving imo when lifting the light off while those gals grab there requirments......it pays to be kind ime

bests H&P

 

[OsWiZzLe]

BTW..

WHEN U FLUSH YOUR MEDIUM... DO IT FROM THE TOP OF THE CONTAINERS... NOT THROUGH FLOOD!! Get rid of the water after it drains through... DO that TWO TIMES then go back to FERTS. Of course u can MIST during this time with the revive.. I would

PH 5.8 one time PH 6.0 next time.... when feeding. PH 6.0 no higher no lower than 5.8... 6.0 works fine most of the time.

Peace
BB

Berger...tonight i will take ur advice and roll it with brother...so i know i've asked b4,..but i just want to make sure.....

is there a big difference between Flushing with Tap or RO water

When i flush the coco and discard the dirty flushed water...then feed just with plain water for a few days?

i will stick to the Canna line only this time...thanks for all the help

 

[OsWiZzLe]

alright....i finished flushing with RO water mixed with tap...PPM was about 100...PH 5.7-5.8......i first flushed with Clearex and the RO/Tap mix....dumped the rez when i was done...replaced with fresh PH'd water....how many times a day should i be watering right now and for how long? also should i continue with my Co2 or turn it off during this period?

Damn this whole flushing ordeal took me 5 hours! I hope they pull through

** my run off was 6.3-6.4....but it was 5.7-5.8 going in**

 

[bergerbuddy]

once a day until plants start using more... give another TWO rinsing one each day... throw away waste... don't use clearex anymore. remember to tirate up ur PH next rinse should be 5.9..

After two more dayz of one good rinse a day... u need to mix up some A&B at 8-9 ml per gal.. if ya have rizo add it at 5ml and some cannazyme at 8ml every other water.

If u are doing flood n drain.... don't mix up more solution than u need for the one day... drain it.... toss it.. every third day u can do just a plain PH'd watering flood it toss it.... I suggest settin up your system on run from top to waste.... I find them less problematic for good result... all u would have to do is change the way ur feeding them... instead of flooding... set a drip up or hand water..c
co2 won't hurt anything... might even help em perk up quicker..



Peace.... let me know how it works out... let us all know!

BB
Oh and ur run off is like that cause ur coco is cleaning out and ur coco PH was too high to uptake nutes like Iron and Mag.

 

[OsWiZzLe]

bergerbuddy thank u for everything....so after 2 more days of rinsing and tossing the waste....do i water with A+B, Rizo and Cannayme for 2 days...then 3rd day just ph'd water..then repeat?

So basically feed the reccomened nutes above for 2 days,,then 1 day just water...repeat again

I will start hand watering them...since i am in the 3rd day of week 2 flowering...should i remain on this feeding schedule until harvest?

 

[cannigrow]

Hi Oswizzle, it's Irieibl, dieselchem, aka cannigrow here. I'm guessing you're going to want to buump the feeding up a bit in the next few weeks, peaking week 4/5 then drop down to straight water by the last two weeks. Might want to stay under 1000 ppm no matter what though.

I didn't read through the whole thing but I hope those babies get settled.

 

[OsWiZzLe]

whats going on DC....thanks for the info bro...i'll follow your suggestion on feeding...

I watered them with 5.9 PH'd water...water PPM going in was like 60......run off was like 375...Run off PH is still high around 6.3-6.4

Tommarow one more water ith PH'd water at 6.0....then the following day feeding time....the plants are looking better so far..the new growth looks happier today then yesterday....tommarow these girls should look alot better

 

[OsWiZzLe]

so i watered the plants with 6.0 PH'd water tonight....I hit them with RO water total PPM going in was 5.....my run off was 379?? should I continue with watering just plain PH'd water until my run off is lower?

plants are looking much better....all the new growth is looking proper Tommarow I'll feed them with the nute mix bergerbuddy recommended...

since i am 11 days into flowering when should i apply PK13/14 and at what dosage?....will the leaves that were damaged from all the shit i put these girls through effect my yield? the new flowers look purrdy... I'll put some pix on tommarow...MANY THANKS TO ALL OF YOU...ESPECIALLY BERGERBUDDY..YOU CAME THOUGH MAN

 

[bergerbuddy]

Glad to hear things are improving bro... you don't want to put any PK until the begginin of week 6 then just two watering with it... and put in about 4-5ml per gal... again only water it in TWO DIFFERENT TIMES...

Yeah go the 8ml for a couple dayz... then go a plain water... then back to 8.... now I agree with canna that around week 4 you might want to bump to 9.... I don't know how high you go... I suspect that feeding too much contributed to this problem.... I wouldn't go over 10 personaly... in fact... I ONLY GO UP TO 9... Maybe 4 watering during my WHOLE CROP... 6-8 works good for me.. on a TON of different strains too... But I have fed up to 12 before... some strains LOVE THAT...Like Nebula... but most don't... IMHO

Glad things are improving...

 

[OsWiZzLe]

bergerbuddy...i added the recommened nute mix with 100 ppm water....my total mix came out to like 490 ppm...that was with A+B at 8 ml per gallon...Rizo at 5ml per gallon and Cannazyme 8ml per gallon...
how long should i continue to feed at this PPM?

the pictures that have the HPS color in the backround are the Silver Pearl...their at about 12 days flowering...the flowers on the Sensi Star look a lot better then the SP...does the Silver Pearl look like it will still pull through?

 

[bergerbuddy]

Hi bro..

Hey I use PPM water of 0 and mix 8ml of A and 8ml of B & 5ml of rizo and my PPM is 750... So I think your PPM meter is off bro.. I've been using this mix on ALL my plants and grow MULTI diff strains at the same time and this works with ALL STRAINS.. I can say that... look at my gallery!!

I would stick with this 8ml..

VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE UR PH METER IS CALIBRATED!! AND YOUR PH IS 5.9-6.0 EVERY TIME... on plain water dayz PH plain water to 5.7-5.8..

PROVIDING your plants are CONTINUALLY LOOKING BETTER!!! at BEGINNING of week 5 up your A&B to 9ml each... at beginning of week 6 cut back to 8ml and add 4ml of PK13/14 run that mix through 3 diff dayz.. then plain water ... so it will look like this....

Now till BEGINNING of week 5 (through day 28)
8ml of A&B
5ml of Rizo
8ml of cannazyme everytime u fert
Always PH'd to 5.9-6.0

On plain water dayz (every 4th or even 3rd but we will use 4th watering should be PLAIN) it wouldn't hurt to run Advanced Nutes Sensi Cal/mag for bloom at 2ml per gal.... if you can!! you will eventually see mag probs too growin in coco using canna and RO water. if your NOT using RO water I would only use cal/mag ONCE every OTHER plain water day! at 2ml per gal... if RO EVERY plain water day!
ALWAYS PH PLAIN WATER AT 5.7-5.8

BEGINNING OF WEEK 5 (day 29)
9ml of A&B
2ml of Rizo
8ml of zyme every fert day

Plain water dayz every 4th day same as described above.

BEGINNING WEEK 6 (day 36)
8ml of A&B
4ml of PK13/14
2ml of rizo
8ml of zyme every fert day

Plain water every 4th day same as described previously

BEGINNING WEEK 7 (day 43)
7ml A&B
8ml zyme

Plain water every THIRD day.... as desribed above

Use this until about 5 dayz b4 ur gonna cut.... then just plain water for those dayz.. PH'd at 6.0


So u fert fert fert water fert fert fert water fert fert fert water fert fert fert water... just like that... and whichever week your at.. do what is suggested above... but don't forget the PLAIN water day..

Peace bro!
BB

 

[OsWiZzLe]

bergerbuddy....I cant thank u enough bro...I'll keep u updated

 

[OsWiZzLe]

damn i just realized the whole time my PPM Meter was fucked up...i as actually feeding at 3400 PPM !!!!! damn....my sensi star is pulling through and developing some nice budz...but that Silver Pearl looks shocked and stressed to hell....i'm at the start of week 3 and the sensi star bud sites are like 3x bigger then those on the Silver Pearl....should I still continue with the SP?

 

[OsWiZzLe]

Lady Lucky is against me...I've been feeding at the recommended dosages...my PH has been as recommended....am I having Mag Issues or severe Lockout? Is the Silver Pearl worth growing still? Should i scrap them and place my ovesized healthy Sensi Star plants? 17 days flowering

 

[OsWiZzLe]

alright mannnn....i flushed these bitches for days str8 ith 5.7 PH water mixed with Hydroguard...and finally my run off is 5.7-5.8......I'm going to dose them ith nutes tommarow....everything that Bergerbuddy recommended plus Cal-Mag at 2ml per gallon since I am using RO water...Flushing is such a fucken pain in the ass! can anyone in chime in here and shed some light on this purrdy please