I wonder why he is all of a sudden pro cannabis?
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Senators will introduce a federal medical marijuana bill tomorrow [TUES]
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I wonder why he is all of a sudden pro cannabis?
Except when dispensed directly by a practitioner, other than a pharmacist, to an ultimate user, no controlled substance in schedule III or IV, which is a prescription drug as determined under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 USC 301 et seq.), may be dispensed without a written or oral prescription in conformity with section 503(b) of that Act (21 USC 353 (b)). Such prescriptions may not be filled or refilled more than six months after the date thereof or be refilled more than five times after the date of the prescription unless renewed by the practitioner.[36] A prescription for controlled substances in Schedules III, IV, and V issued by a practitioner, may be communicated either orally, in writing, or by facsimile to the pharmacist, and may be refilled if so authorized on the prescription or by call-in.[35] Control of wholesale distribution is somewhat less stringent than Schedule II drugs. Provisions for emergency situations are less restrictive within the "closed system" of the Controlled Substances Act than for Schedule II though no schedule has provisions to address circumstances where the closed system is unavailable, nonfunctioning or otherwise inadequate.
Drugs in this schedule include:
Anabolic steroids (including prohormones such as androstenedione);
Intermediate-acting barbiturates, such as talbutal or butalbital;
Buprenorphine (semi-synthetic opioid; active in Suboxone, Subutex)
Dihydrocodeine when compounded with other substances, to a certain dosage and concentration.
Ketamine, a drug originally developed as a safer, shorter-acting replacement for PCP (mainly for use as a human anesthetic) but has since become popular as a veterinary and pediatric anesthetic;
Xyrem, a preparation of GHB used to treat narcolepsy. Xyrem is in Schedule III but with a restricted distribution system. All other forms of GHB are in Schedule I;
Marinol, synthetically prepared tetrahydrocannabinol (officially referred to by its INN, dronabinol) used to treat nausea and vomiting caused by chemotherapy, as well as appetite loss caused by AIDS;
Paregoric, an antidiarrheal and anti-tussive, which contains opium combined with camphor (which makes it less addiction-prone than laudanum, which is in Schedule II);
Phendimetrazine Tartrate, a stimulant synthesized for use as an anorexiant;
Benzphetamine HCl (Didrex), a stimulant designed for use as an anorexiant;
Fast-acting barbiturates such as secobarbital (Seconal) and pentobarbital (Nembutal), when combined with one or more additional active ingredient(s) not in Schedule II (e.g., Carbrital (no longer marketed), a combination of pentobarbital and carbromal).
Ergine (lysergic acid amide), listed as a sedative but considered by some to be psychedelic.[39][40] An inefficient precursor to its N,N-diethyl analogue, LSD, ergine occurs naturally in the seeds of the common garden flowers Turbina corymbosa, Ipomoea tricolor, and Argyreia nervosa.
Drugs in this schedule include:
Anabolic steroids (including prohormones such as androstenedione);
Intermediate-acting barbiturates, such as talbutal or butalbital;
Buprenorphine (semi-synthetic opioid; active in Suboxone, Subutex)
Dihydrocodeine when compounded with other substances, to a certain dosage and concentration.
Ketamine, a drug originally developed as a safer, shorter-acting replacement for PCP (mainly for use as a human anesthetic) but has since become popular as a veterinary and pediatric anesthetic;
Xyrem, a preparation of GHB used to treat narcolepsy. Xyrem is in Schedule III but with a restricted distribution system. All other forms of GHB are in Schedule I;
Marinol, synthetically prepared tetrahydrocannabinol (officially referred to by its INN, dronabinol) used to treat nausea and vomiting caused by chemotherapy, as well as appetite loss caused by AIDS;
Paregoric, an antidiarrheal and anti-tussive, which contains opium combined with camphor (which makes it less addiction-prone than laudanum, which is in Schedule II);
Phendimetrazine Tartrate, a stimulant synthesized for use as an anorexiant;
Benzphetamine HCl (Didrex), a stimulant designed for use as an anorexiant;
Fast-acting barbiturates such as secobarbital (Seconal) and pentobarbital (Nembutal), when combined with one or more additional active ingredient(s) not in Schedule II (e.g., Carbrital (no longer marketed), a combination of pentobarbital and carbromal).
Ergine (lysergic acid amide), listed as a sedative but considered by some to be psychedelic.[39][40] An inefficient precursor to its N,N-diethyl analogue, LSD, ergine occurs naturally in the seeds of the common garden flowers Turbina corymbosa, Ipomoea tricolor, and Argyreia nervosa.
Originally Posted by MrBelvedere View Post
“The bill would promote research. A large problem for our Nation is
that not enough research exists on the impact of medical marijuana. We
know there are legitimate medical uses of the drug, but we can learn
much more. We need to allow experts to access the drug to conduct tests
and clinical trials to fully understand the effects of the drug and how
it can best be utilized. This will only benefit the doctors who
prescribe it, the lawmakers who regulate it, and the people who need
it.”
Read that quote. It says exactly what I'm saying.
“The bill would promote research. A large problem for our Nation is
that not enough research exists on the impact of medical marijuana. We
know there are legitimate medical uses of the drug, but we can learn
much more. We need to allow experts to access the drug to conduct tests
and clinical trials to fully understand the effects of the drug and how
it can best be utilized. This will only benefit the doctors who
prescribe it, the lawmakers who regulate it, and the people who need
it.”
Read that quote. It says exactly what I'm saying.
Here ya go Huge. Read it for yourself and make up your own mind about our conservative Republicans:
Joe Benning: The marijuana debate
Commentary Mar. 10 2015, 7:05 pm 15 Comments
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Editor’s note: This commentary is by state Sen. Joe Benning, a Republican who represents the Caledonia-Orange District in the Vermont Senate.
The marijuana legalization debate will challenge all of us to examine our own capacity for tolerance. For some the challenge will simply be too difficult because they fear an assault on familiarity. For others the challenge will be intolerable because they’ve never had that fear. But to most Vermonters, the challenge rests in our ability to rationally examine facts when deciding whether to effect change.
Should Vermont legalize the use of marijuana? I don’t smoke marijuana. Don’t care to. But as a kid growing up in the 1960s and 1970s, I knew many people who did and some who still do. Their choice to indulge never bothered me. In fact, it taught me to be tolerant of another’s perceived foibles, a cornerstone of what it takes to be a member of a free society. There are people who do things they enjoy that just don’t make sense to me, but unless they are interfering with my ability to do the things I enjoy, I’ve never felt the need to demand they cease and desist. I like to think this is what America is all about. I especially like to think this is what Vermont is all about.
“Freedom” is not an abstract concept, relegated to ancient history books on a dusty shelf. It is the very tangible ability to think, to speak, to act and do without anyone saying I cannot, so long as my doing so does not interfere with my neighbor’s ability to do the same.
Despite seven decades of prohibition in the so-called War On Drugs, a sizable number of Vermonters use marijuana. A recently completed study (the Rand Report) indicates at least 80,000 of our fellow citizens are spending between $125 million and $225 million annually in an underground economy to enjoy their diversion. If that report is true (some say its numbers are on the low side) then any rational observer must conclude the untold billions we have spent hoping we would eliminate continued consumption has been wasted. We kid ourselves if we believe prohibition will eventually win the battle. I’d argue it is time to change our approach.
Vermont has the ability to have a civil discussion on legalization through its legislative process. We have the data, we have the history to understand what hasn’t worked and why, and we have a growing desire to take a measured approach to dealing with marijuana consumption in a “Vermont way.” We can do that if we eliminate emotion and passion from the discussion. We can do that if we acknowledge the fact that we have been penalizing otherwise law-abiding citizens for behavior that generally does not interfere with Vermonters’ ability to go about their daily lives.
Some would respond that there are costs to society with legalization due to those who might abuse this substance through youthful indiscretion or driving after imbibing. These are legitimate concerns, but they already exist now, so I would argue they are not a reason to continue a failed policy. We address those concerns through education and regulation, just like we do with the far more problematic substance called “alcohol.” A tax on what is now a substantial underground economy would provide the money necessary to greatly enhance those efforts.
Some have asked, “What’s the rush?” To that I would say, “There is no better time than the present to restore a lost freedom.” “Freedom” is not an abstract concept, relegated to ancient history books on a dusty shelf. It is the very tangible ability to think, to speak, to act and do without anyone saying I cannot, so long as my doing so does not interfere with my neighbor’s ability to do the same. When Vermonters remember that, we’ll recognize it is time to end the failed policy of prohibition by legalizing, taxing and regulating marijuana consumption.
Joe Benning: The marijuana debate
Commentary Mar. 10 2015, 7:05 pm 15 Comments
Share on facebook Share on reddit Share on email Share on print 12
Editor’s note: This commentary is by state Sen. Joe Benning, a Republican who represents the Caledonia-Orange District in the Vermont Senate.
The marijuana legalization debate will challenge all of us to examine our own capacity for tolerance. For some the challenge will simply be too difficult because they fear an assault on familiarity. For others the challenge will be intolerable because they’ve never had that fear. But to most Vermonters, the challenge rests in our ability to rationally examine facts when deciding whether to effect change.
Should Vermont legalize the use of marijuana? I don’t smoke marijuana. Don’t care to. But as a kid growing up in the 1960s and 1970s, I knew many people who did and some who still do. Their choice to indulge never bothered me. In fact, it taught me to be tolerant of another’s perceived foibles, a cornerstone of what it takes to be a member of a free society. There are people who do things they enjoy that just don’t make sense to me, but unless they are interfering with my ability to do the things I enjoy, I’ve never felt the need to demand they cease and desist. I like to think this is what America is all about. I especially like to think this is what Vermont is all about.
“Freedom” is not an abstract concept, relegated to ancient history books on a dusty shelf. It is the very tangible ability to think, to speak, to act and do without anyone saying I cannot, so long as my doing so does not interfere with my neighbor’s ability to do the same.
Despite seven decades of prohibition in the so-called War On Drugs, a sizable number of Vermonters use marijuana. A recently completed study (the Rand Report) indicates at least 80,000 of our fellow citizens are spending between $125 million and $225 million annually in an underground economy to enjoy their diversion. If that report is true (some say its numbers are on the low side) then any rational observer must conclude the untold billions we have spent hoping we would eliminate continued consumption has been wasted. We kid ourselves if we believe prohibition will eventually win the battle. I’d argue it is time to change our approach.
Vermont has the ability to have a civil discussion on legalization through its legislative process. We have the data, we have the history to understand what hasn’t worked and why, and we have a growing desire to take a measured approach to dealing with marijuana consumption in a “Vermont way.” We can do that if we eliminate emotion and passion from the discussion. We can do that if we acknowledge the fact that we have been penalizing otherwise law-abiding citizens for behavior that generally does not interfere with Vermonters’ ability to go about their daily lives.
Some would respond that there are costs to society with legalization due to those who might abuse this substance through youthful indiscretion or driving after imbibing. These are legitimate concerns, but they already exist now, so I would argue they are not a reason to continue a failed policy. We address those concerns through education and regulation, just like we do with the far more problematic substance called “alcohol.” A tax on what is now a substantial underground economy would provide the money necessary to greatly enhance those efforts.
Some have asked, “What’s the rush?” To that I would say, “There is no better time than the present to restore a lost freedom.” “Freedom” is not an abstract concept, relegated to ancient history books on a dusty shelf. It is the very tangible ability to think, to speak, to act and do without anyone saying I cannot, so long as my doing so does not interfere with my neighbor’s ability to do the same. When Vermonters remember that, we’ll recognize it is time to end the failed policy of prohibition by legalizing, taxing and regulating marijuana consumption.
The plant needs to be DE-SCHEDULED... period!
The fucks didn't take baby steps getting cannabis scheduled so why in the hell do we need to take baby steps to get out of this mess. The only thing "baby steps" accomplishes is keeping thes plants under some form of government control scheme.
Rights are inherent by birth, by simple existence...
They're NOT granted by a piece of paper.
Shit... We have "Animal Rights"...
Why not "Plant Rights"?
Neither plants nor animals speak our language so we can't expect nature to follow the rules set forth by man.
If men weren't so fucking greedy for control of other men, this mess wouldn't exist in the first place!
Voting to control others put you in the same position as politicians!
FREE ALL FLORA & FAUNA FROM LEGAL RESTRICTIONS!
This is natures true way.
The fucks didn't take baby steps getting cannabis scheduled so why in the hell do we need to take baby steps to get out of this mess. The only thing "baby steps" accomplishes is keeping thes plants under some form of government control scheme.
Rights are inherent by birth, by simple existence...
They're NOT granted by a piece of paper.
Shit... We have "Animal Rights"...
Why not "Plant Rights"?
Neither plants nor animals speak our language so we can't expect nature to follow the rules set forth by man.
If men weren't so fucking greedy for control of other men, this mess wouldn't exist in the first place!
Voting to control others put you in the same position as politicians!
FREE ALL FLORA & FAUNA FROM LEGAL RESTRICTIONS!
This is natures true way.
Taxation & regulation are forms of prohibition!
Prohibition, period, creates a black market!
CHALLENGE:
Show me one tangible item that's taxed & regulated that does not have a black market.
Policies concerning cannabis use by individuals are unconstitutional to begin with, since We The Peoples Rights are technically unregulatable!
Prohibition, period, creates a black market!
CHALLENGE:
Show me one tangible item that's taxed & regulated that does not have a black market.
Policies concerning cannabis use by individuals are unconstitutional to begin with, since We The Peoples Rights are technically unregulatable!
That is true about original scheduling, in fact it may have been done illegally or unconstitutionally but the powers that were at the time were, well, powerful…especially concerning all things drug related.
The point being, that was 1970 and there hasn’t been anything happening on the federal scene since. Until now. All MJ legalization actions have been at the state level.
I agree and wish we could take a giant leap and deschedule/legalize/unregulate it without any taxes either. I also wish a blue unicorn would deliver me weed daily and clean my bong on the regular.
In the meantime I will work for progress and not pie in the sky. Once this baby step is over, I'll be first in line to for the next baby step and organize protests and go to jail to get it fully legalized and unregulated- because indigent/unhealthy/unwealthy patients cannot afford high taxes and medicine should not be taxed in the first place! But I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
"as determined under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act". Cannabis is not "approved" or determined by the FDA/FDCA.
Work the System, or the System Will Work You.
Does it make sense that it's going to schedule two instead of schedule three like bobo marinol? of course not! But this is the only way to make small progress in this retarded country full of obedient sheep. Trust me, my intentions are very similar to yours- I've fought for this very hard for 30 years. I've proudly been locked up more times than I can count fighting prohibition. I've told police to "take me to jail" directly to their face. I will continue to break the federal law and give herb away for free to people. We're just disagreeing on the route to the destination my friends.
In the meantime I will work for progress and not pie in the sky. Once this baby step is over, I'll be first in line to for the next baby step and organize protests and go to jail to get it fully legalized and unregulated- because indigent/unhealthy/unwealthy patients cannot afford high taxes and medicine should not be taxed in the first place! But I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
"as determined under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act". Cannabis is not "approved" or determined by the FDA/FDCA.
Work the System, or the System Will Work You.
Does it make sense that it's going to schedule two instead of schedule three like bobo marinol? of course not! But this is the only way to make small progress in this retarded country full of obedient sheep. Trust me, my intentions are very similar to yours- I've fought for this very hard for 30 years. I've proudly been locked up more times than I can count fighting prohibition. I've told police to "take me to jail" directly to their face. I will continue to break the federal law and give herb away for free to people. We're just disagreeing on the route to the destination my friends.
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mingmen
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whatev
Vermont has the ability to have a civil discussion on legalization through its legislative process. We have the data, we have the history to understand what hasn’t worked and why, and we have a growing desire to take a measured approach to dealing with marijuana consumption in a “Vermont way.” We can do that if we eliminate emotion and passion from the discussion. We can do that if we acknowledge the fact that we have been penalizing otherwise law-abiding citizens for behavior that generally does not interfere with Vermonters’ ability to go about their daily lives.
That's the attitude we need one state at a time and more states joining forces. Good for all of you in Vermont! KUDOS! While legal states are reaping the benefits, there are still some problems, however by and large, it's succeeded without all the "Oh noooo! It's the demise of civilization!" Far from it. It's been a learning curve for states allowing MMJ and legal cannabis, and hopefully the trend will continue to expand.
Oldchuck- thanks for posting that!! Gives us hope that the tides are turning.
That's the attitude we need one state at a time and more states joining forces. Good for all of you in Vermont! KUDOS! While legal states are reaping the benefits, there are still some problems, however by and large, it's succeeded without all the "Oh noooo! It's the demise of civilization!" Far from it. It's been a learning curve for states allowing MMJ and legal cannabis, and hopefully the trend will continue to expand.
Oldchuck- thanks for posting that!! Gives us hope that the tides are turning.
mingmen
Member
You could be right...but I heard that in the mainstream news that grower interests are what turned the tide. It only makes sense. Among a huge group of mj users is one type that loses money if it becomes legal and thus organizes against it. That being said I don't really know how it broke down. It is certain that their opposition hampered efforts to counteract the bullshit propaganda
some thoughts on this 'deal', don't have any inner knowledge, just my humble opinion
the rec legalization results have washington scared, they're losing control of the dialog
D.C. now has legal(kind of), it doesn't get closer to home than that
the near miss of a pretty liberal MMJ in florida also likely had some impact
either the pimps/whores we have in washington get control now or they've lost it
intent is to get a federal MMJ that will change the overwhelming tide at the state level
note that state recreational laws are NOT protected in this bill
what will sched 2 mean in practice? show me some covered conditions then i'll believe this fed MMJ has some value
otherwise, this has not been written for our benefit
hopefully, it's too late for this federal diversion
the rec legalization results have washington scared, they're losing control of the dialog
D.C. now has legal(kind of), it doesn't get closer to home than that
the near miss of a pretty liberal MMJ in florida also likely had some impact
either the pimps/whores we have in washington get control now or they've lost it
intent is to get a federal MMJ that will change the overwhelming tide at the state level
note that state recreational laws are NOT protected in this bill
what will sched 2 mean in practice? show me some covered conditions then i'll believe this fed MMJ has some value
otherwise, this has not been written for our benefit
hopefully, it's too late for this federal diversion
Thank you. Concerns that this will create more restrictions are unfounded. What's important is that the more people gaining legal status for cannabis use, the better. MMJ alters public consciousness, reveals much of the truth about cannabis. Should this measure pass, MMJ will sweep through most of the remaining holdout states with legalization coming in right behind it. The smartest of our opponents know it's coming & don't want to be on the wrong side of it.
It's what happens when the truth gets out.
mingmen
Member
I didn't see fed mmj in the bill/ I will have to look again
I'm all for a tax and regulation free cannabis market. The taxes established now will be more or less permanent, like with alcohol. Realistically, I don't see legalization happening without taxes. I'd be willing to trade permanent taxes on weed (along with the freedom to grow legally and untaxed) for a permanent end to prohibition.
Is there really a big black market for alcohol? Moonshine was a novelty thing for me when I lived in Georgia. I don't know the numbers, but I don't know why most people would look for moonshine when legal vodka and whiskey are so cheap. Maybe it's different if you know someone in the business.
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Support it, Hate it... let your voice be heard either way. Don't forget the compromises that went into drafting the US Constitution written on hemp paper.
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the market for moonshine is HUGE! if you want to see for yourself, just look at how many companies have copper stills for sale on ebay. copper is too expensive for folks to build those things if folks aint buying them. lots of people buy them just so they can jab their thumbs into the taxmans eyes...lots of do-it-yourselfers out there.
