Selling back to clubs?

[Whatever]

I think what should be taken away from the analysis is that quality and quantity don't come cheap.

I generally disagree but also agree...quality is mainly based on genetics and you can spend a shitload of $ and still produce crap while someone else could spend much less and produce dank...even with the same cut. But will agree that a certain $ amount invested in the setup, spent right, will eliminate many variables which are the cause for growing crap. I mean like if you don't have adequate ventilation and temps soar then quality suffers...just an example. What about the nute program? Give 2 people the same nutes in the same setup and you can get dank or crap.

For some reason can't quote this soooo:
"Most people(like me) don't have any reasonable way to compost and reuse soil, but even if I did, I probably wouldn't do it because relative to all of the other costs, soil is menial. Also, if you have any problems with plant diseases, bugs, pollen, mildew etc, its a lot safer to throw away old soil if not pasteurizing it."
Yeah but medium cost is part of the equation and it all adds up. I will say that with a solid organic soil program your second set of considerations are really not applicable...but just me. If you're gonna throw out your medium then don't bother with soil and go soilless.

 

[Greyskull]

I think what should be taken away from the analysis is that quality and quantity don't come cheap. If you do it cheap either quality or quantity suffer, if you lower quality you aren't producing good medicine for those who need it, if quantity is low you won't have enough to sell to the clubs. somethings got to give. Quality and quantity cannot be delivered to the clubs for disbursement to patients without incurring the heavy cost of production. As altruistic as some may be few people are gunna take on a monthly debt when they themselves are struggling to pay the bill.

fuckin aye brother!
I BUST MY ASS TO PROVIDE THE BEST.





I will say this thread's made me think about things some. I am still gonna require top end market value reimbursement for my buds (gotta pay the bills and feed a baby... and nothing less than the best is good enough for her). But I will be donating my bud trim (my personal hash stash) to a couple of med patients I used to take care of when I was running my delivery service... giving what I can. Have a nice day

 

[Whatever]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Greyskull again.

 

[Deft]

I cant imagine paying for clones when you can make you own after paying once. If your worried about numbers how does getting freshly rooted cuts help you? Its not like your getting fully vegged bushes ready for flower are you?

And I can easily see the feds deciding on a whim to fuck up anyone providing to med clubs, whether they have 30 plants or 300. Its their decision so I would not feel safe period knowing their hate for MMJ distribution.

 

[purrpullkush]

I cant imagine paying for clones when you can make you own after paying once. If your worried about numbers how does getting freshly rooted cuts help you? Its not like your getting fully vegged bushes ready for flower are you?

And I can easily see the feds deciding on a whim to fuck up anyone providing to med clubs, whether they have 30 plants or 300. Its their decision so I would not feel safe period knowing their hate for MMJ distribution.

Maybe I am missing something but I don't understand what you are trying to say. The intent is to stay under 100 plants. I didn't say I feel safe...but I'd rather go to court with the possibility of getting just 1 or 2 years instead of a mandatory 5....this is a personal decision. If you keep under a hundred plants, and don't bring in new clones until after harvest...then you never have over 100 plants in your possession, thus you aren't at risk of being convicted of cultivating over 100 plants, which is punishable by a minimum of 5 years in the federal penitentiary. I don't know what is unclear about this.

 

[DocLeaf]

I will say this thread's made me think about things some. I am still gonna require top end market value reimbursement for my buds (gotta pay the bills and feed a baby... and nothing less than the best is good enough for her). But I will be donating my bud trim (my personal hash stash) to a couple of med patients I used to take care of when I was running my delivery service... giving what I can. Have a nice day

Jah bless that ethic,, full respect Greyskull ...one down 4 million + to go,, watch this space I's about to flow :wink:

@ purrpullkush

We see it a little like helping blind mans and old ladies cross the road...

If we take them by the hand and show them the way,, then what has been done is a (edit "good deed" , full of honor , compassion , and love. You can boast to your buddies about it later on.

If/when mans charge the old lady and the blind man to cross the road however, then they are providing a service at a cost. Often one that they can "ill-afford". There's very little "compassion" in such act,,, although no-doubt a little 'pride' is taken in the service that ultimately helps makes living/health more comfortably,, at a cost.

I guess many of you folks are like firemen/women,,, you get paid little but risk the bits that hang out burning while fighting fires on the front line We fully respect this.. and would support/help champion care-growers and care schemes foremost.

I's still need to think about this one a little bit more,, we never really gave it serious thought before... even though close brethrens like GrowDoc are medi. breeders The more I hear , the more I'd like to learn.

One Love
DocLeaf

"Herb is important to the people that accept it" [Bob Marley]

 

[MedResearcher]

California is just an expensive place to live period. Everything here is expensive. I haven't had health or dental care for the last 11 years of my life, been to the dentist once and to the doctor twice, only when I really had to.


If someone really wants to be compassionate, or work towards a compassionate society, then do some work towards providing free health insurance for everyone, which would include cannabis.


Obvisouly Docleaf, you have never lived here so you don't fully understand the big picture. Besides everything everyone else has stated about prices, costs, penalities, there is a lot more involved. Even before 215 was passed, cannabis was a giant industry in California. It was an industry that many many poverty stricken people relied on to make income to survive. Sure there are some people that became super rich off it, but the majority of the growers, dealers, etc... are extremely poor fighting and struggling to survive. If you remove the money in the industry you are removing the industry from many families which are already suffering from serious poverty.


Not sure if you have visited the ghettos in California, but if someone grows/sells weed, they deserve a pat on there back. Its much more profitable to sell crack, ectasy, cook meth, rob houses etc...... You take away the money in weed, and that many more people will divert from weed to bad crimes that are truely destroying our communities.


Honestly I don't think anyone can even mention compassion, or weed politics regarding California until you have actually been to and lived in our ghettos. I challenge any of you speaking down on California's weed industry to spend a week in East Oakland, East Los Angeles, Hunters Point SF, etc... etc....
I guarantee your world will be forever changed. Even worst if your trying to better the world, go spend in a week in West or South Africa being compassionate.


My point is, there is much more worst suffering in this world then people having to pay 300 an Oz for there weed. I and I should get back to there roots, and help the people who really need it. I would much rather pay 300 an Oz sitting in Europe or Cali, then watch my family starve to death or get suicide bombed.


No disrespect,
MR^^

 

[NiteTiger]

We see it a little like helping blind mans and old ladies cross the road...

If we take them by the hand and show them the way,, then what has been done is a "good dead" , full of honor , compassion , and love. You can boast to your buddies about it later on.

Man, I hope you meant good DEED, otherwise you're just performing euthanasia by Ford

 

[DocLeaf]

yep.. lol a good deed.. hehe

Thanks, edited

 

[Pythagllio]

We see it a little like helping blind mans and old ladies cross the road...

If we take them by the hand and show them the way,, then what has been done is a (edit "good deed" , full of honor , compassion , and love. You can boast to your buddies about it later on.

If/when mans charge the old lady and the blind man to cross the road however, then they are providing a service at a cost. Often one that they can "ill-afford". There's very little "compassion" in such act,,, although no-doubt a little 'pride' is taken in the service that ultimately helps makes living/health more comfortably,, at a cost.

Providing medical grade cannabis is more akin to providing trained guide animals to the handicapped. Take a look at how much those animals can cost. There would be a nice long waiting list for these animals if the trainers were forced to give them away.

Medical grade cannabis does not appear out of thin air. But if people really wanted lower prices the way to do it is to increase supply. You should be encouraging growers to move to Cali. The more the merrier. It is unrealistic to think that people are ever going to provide enough to give it away. It is a waste of time to insist that something that just isn't going to happen is the 'way it should be'. I think that's the most annoying things about the fantasy that medicine should be free. It doesn't even have the proverbial snowball's chance of happening so what's the point of talking about it?

 

[Blue Dot]

Average grower gets about 3/4 pound per light.
That means total harvest is 3 pounds.
Avg bay area indoor price: 3400
So if the grower sells all 3 p's for 3400, they get 10,200,
making a profit of 2509.15 after 3 months of hard work, time and effort.

Thats 836 dollars a month profit.

H'mm. Those containers greyskull posted are probably 3 gal so that's 20-3 gal under 1 light.

That pic doesn't look like 12 oz's to me, even if I crop off 25% and just count 15-3 gals.

In order to get 12 oz's outta 16 plants per light that's less than 1 oz per plant.
Looking at greyskulls pic of the individual plant that looks like AT LEAST 1 oz per plant.

SO, 16 plants = 16 oz's x 4 lights = 4 lbs ( x 3,400/lb) = 13,600 -7600 cost = 6000/3 months =$2,000/month profit, not $836.

A lot of people would like to have a job where they could literally sit and watch the grass grow and make $24,000/year.

That's if you don't live at this grow op, which if you did you need to deduct living quarters because you aren't being reimbursed for your living space.

 

[Greyskull]

Just to clarify for you what you are looking at up there ^^^ : (20) round 8"/1.75g pots. I have been getting 30-35g per with the SDxSB & pre 98 Bubba Kush plants grown this way for the last 3 crops. The plants finish at 32-36". I am anticipating a total dry weight of 600g when its all said and done. 1.25+lbs. I am hoping for 35g per because that would mean a dry 700g per 1000 is 1.50 lbs....

If I only got 350g (3/4lb) per light I would have to get a day job....
Shit, if I only got 3400 per I would have to get a day job, too....

 

[Blue Dot]

They say 1 GPW is attainable but realistically max so for purplekush's example, 4-1K lights = 4000 grams.

Just for kicks, @ $20.00/gram (what the clubs sell it for) that's $80,000 max off a 4 light grow. Even when all costs are deducted there is still a lot of profit in that equation, no matter how you jumble it.

 

[HairlessCaveApe]

A lot of people would like to have a job where they could literally sit and watch the grass grow and make $24,000/year.

Do ya realy think thats what we do? Most of us have gardens that would look like shitt if they didnt have constant care. I dont think anybody jerks off all day while theyre grass grows and they send theyre kids to coledge. If anybodys just sittin round watchin theyre grass grow it must taste like it comes outta a lawn mower bag. What were talkin bout here is high quality MEDS. Not some rag weed sombody grew under theyre bed in a shoebox with a glowstikk. The kinda meds I produce couldnt be realized with the "sit around and watch it grow" tekneek. My garden needs constant care to produce the way it dose. Quality and quantity. Heres something some folks aint realizin. Everybodys situation is diferant. I praize The Lord God Almighty for providing me with work that I can still do after debilitating arthritis took me outta the daily "go to work for an asshole" grind. If it wasnt for this I wouldnt be able to pay my bills any other way. This is perfict work for someone who cant get around as well as they used to but they can still go at it like a motherfukker. I cant imagine how Id suport myself if I couldnt stay home and take care of my garden from the comfort of my home. Its hard to even walk down the drive. Somma us depend on our gardens to make a livin because we'r disabled and stayin home and perfectin our gardens the only thing we CAN do. None the less, disabled or not, I respect a man who would chooze a careere that provides people with high quality, well cared for meds, that alot of heart went into. I bet theres not one grower here who dont give away at LEAST 10% of theyre grow. Most of us, much more. Like I said, everybodys situations diferant and most Folks got more then one reason for doin things. Blessins everyone. Pray for Wizdome. Wizdome is the fear of the Lord.

 

[AndreNicky]

Just for kicks, @ $20.00/gram (what the clubs sell it for) that's $80,000 max off a 4 light grow. Even when all costs are deducted there is still a lot of profit in that equation, no matter how you jumble it.

Selling by the gram as a grower is a very good way to get busted, 99% of growers wholesale for around 3k a pound

 

[JJScorpio]

How do you go from $10,200 dollars down to just $2,500.00 profit? Where are you coming up with $7700.00 in expenses in 3 months?

As for time consuming, I can take care of 15 flowering plants, clones and others vegging in an hour a day or so.....

 

[purrpullkush]

H'mm. Those containers greyskull posted are probably 3 gal so that's 20-3 gal under 1 light.

That pic doesn't look like 12 oz's to me, even if I crop off 25% and just count 15-3 gals.

In order to get 12 oz's outta 16 plants per light that's less than 1 oz per plant.
Looking at greyskulls pic of the individual plant that looks like AT LEAST 1 oz per plant.

SO, 16 plants = 16 oz's x 4 lights = 4 lbs ( x 3,400/lb) = 13,600 -7600 cost = 6000/3 months =$2,000/month profit, not $836.

A lot of people would like to have a job where they could literally sit and watch the grass grow and make $24,000/year.

That's if you don't live at this grow op, which if you did you need to deduct living quarters because you aren't being reimbursed for your living space.

Yeah,
it was an estimate....many people can't grow where they live...for many good reasons....also I think a P a light is an unfair figure to work with because MOST people don't really pull that with top grade genetics. Most people pull between 3/4 and 1 per and are happy when they get their full 1 per. Alot of people also just simply lie about it to save face in front of their friends or fellow IC'ers. There are too many variables for this formula to apply to every grower and that wasn't the intention, but these are not wildly inaccurate figures. And I don't understand how anyone who has grown alot of pot could say it consists of just "sitting and watching the grass grow".

 

[purrpullkush]

Just to clarify for you what you are looking at up there ^^^ : (20) round 8"/1.75g pots. I have been getting 30-35g per with the SDxSB & pre 98 Bubba Kush plants grown this way for the last 3 crops. The plants finish at 32-36". I am anticipating a total dry weight of 600g when its all said and done. 1.25+lbs. I am hoping for 35g per because that would mean a dry 700g per 1000 is 1.50 lbs....

If I only got 350g (3/4lb) per light I would have to get a day job....
Shit, if I only got 3400 per I would have to get a day job, too....

Sounds like you have your grow dialed in and producing at a good rate, but I don't think its at all an indication of what the average grower is producing, you should be proud.

 

[purrpullkush]

They say 1 GPW is attainable but realistically max so for purplekush's example, 4-1K lights = 4000 grams.

Just for kicks, @ $20.00/gram (what the clubs sell it for) that's $80,000 max off a 4 light grow. Even when all costs are deducted there is still a lot of profit in that equation, no matter how you jumble it.

Well, the clubs out here don't even sell weed for 20 a gram, maybe in LA, but even if they did (or do) its completely irrelevant to this discussion.... Also...no one is pulling 1 GPW off of purple or kush without doing tons of plants or ridiculously long veg time, nowhere near 1gpw....and anyone who is getting anything close to 1gpw is probably using 600w's not 1kw's which are inherently more efficient than 1kw's. But what should I expect from someone who picked a low grade weed for their name/avatar.

 

[NiteTiger]

They say 1 GPW is attainable

So is killing a grizzly with a sharp stick, but I don't see a whole lot of people doing that either.