Selling back to clubs?

[Greyskull]

I remember asking my vendors to sign the 1099 a few years ago.
Granted this was so cal, but they looked at me really funny. "taxes?"

I told them I had to pay taxes on each acquisition and I wasn't going to be eating eat on their behalf unless they wanted to price me better.

 

[ourcee]

the 1099 just lists payee and payer and their tax id's? anything related to the nature of the business have to be listed?

 

[dongle69]

the 1099 just lists payee and payer and their tax id's? anything related to the nature of the business have to be listed?

Yes, just payee, payer, and tax id's.
Addresses of course as well.
No nature of business boxes to fill out for illicit drug sales.

 

[DocLeaf]

no one stays up all night with a sick plant like it's their child, I think you were exaggerating a tad.

Hehe,, I've got an image of a care-grower on midnight vigil,, vicks vapour rub in one hand,, cough syrup in the other,, the plant pots all wrapped up in hot water-bottles... lol

Doc, that's a tougher question than you think. Most security guards are not hired by the company themselves, but are brought on by contract through a security firm. This is because there are so many state and local regulations regarding security officers, and the licensing standards that have to be met.

This is also why you can't just hire a med patient to do it. A lot of your med patients are going to be unable to fulfill the job requirements of a security officer, and those that can most likely have a job that pays better. After all, they are buying this expensive stuff you're talking about

Cool dude, thanks for explaining,,

Many (not all) of the medi.-users we know are often as tenacious , or moreso than any security guard can be!! esp. when defending their meds.! Just looking into ways that we could help lower overall costs on medi. users, that's all :wink: peace.

Is the presence of a security guard at medi. clubs a legal requirement?

Please paste up a pdf file Prop. 215 or link ,,, if there is one,, I'd love to read the jargon in the legislation on what is legally required by clubs

Peace, Love, Unity
dLeaf

 

[GET MO]

look in my sig under the NORML.

 

[Whatever]

Just looking into ways that we could help lower overall costs on medi. users, that's all

Cool you're trying to understand the dynamics of what some of us deal with. I really don;t think something like a security guard, or two, adds much to the overall cost of something like a club. Their volume is such that it probably has little impact. I feel strongly that the main issue is the resistance of authorities to respect the laws voted in by it's citizens.

I had a friend that grew on a large scale outdoors and he would provide 2 ozs per month for every script he held. Then would provide oz at $200 each over that through the rest of the year if they ran out. In addition to this he also gave away about half of his harvest and hundreds of cuts to help people. I worked on his farm for awhile and a great role model for me in some ways.

He also worked with certain clubs and regularly donated herb in certain situations and sold to them but his main work was dealing directly with the patients he held scripts for.

 

[purrpullkush]

To DocLeaf and others who would condemn us medical growers for asking to be reimbursed: Let me show you some of the costs for a typical 4 light grow for someone trying to stay within reasonable plant numbers, lets say 16 a light.

Rent: Bay area, for an sm house in a bad area, atleast 1400, x 3 months
Clones: Average clone price is 12 , 12 x 64 = 768
Dirt: 200 bucks for enough for 64 plants in 3 gals.
Nutes etc: around 300 for a cycle worth of nutes(including additives etc.)
Electricity for veg: 4 week veg, 18/6 4 lights is 807.43 JUST lights, JUST!
Electricity for flower: 8 week flower, 12/12 4 lights is 965.42, JUST LIGHTS!
Electricity for MISC: 3 months at 150 a month is 450
These are the biggest obvious costs, of course there are alot of other costs that I havent listed such as transportation, security, etc. So lets add up the recurring cycle costs:

Rent :4200
Clones: 768
Dirt: 200
Nutes: 300
ALL Electricity: 2222.85
Total: 7690.85

So thats the approximate cost for a typical 4 light cycle here in the bay area, and it certainly doesn't include everything, and it in fact assumes that one has already spent the thousands necessary on setup and equipment.

Average grower gets about 3/4 pound per light.
That means total harvest is 3 pounds.
Avg bay area indoor price: 3400
So if the grower sells all 3 p's for 3400, they get 10,200,
making a profit of 2509.15 after 3 months of hard work, time and effort.

Thats 836 dollars a month profit.

So, lets say we did what doc says we must do, and give it to the clubs for free(even though the clubs are profiteering bastards mostly).
Well, that would mean we don't get the 10,200 to offset our costs.
Basically what DocLeaf is suggesting is equivelant to saying that you aren't being compassionate unless you give away your cannabis for free, the same cannabis that COST YOU 2600 a pound to grow!!

Pull yer heads out of your asses people, the shit ain't free, show a little appreciation for the people behind the scenes taking care of the med community.

Rant Over.

 

[NorCalHal]

This thread is very interesting, and a good subject.

I have been dealing with clubs as a vendor in the Bay for quite a few years.
Different clubs pay slightly different prices, imho, but all real close.

I recently let go of some Bubba Kush and I recived $4200/lb for my compensation.

I have heard of the same herb going for much more in SoCal, but I thought 42 was fair.

 

[KGB420]

I got $800 for HK/S1 in Santa Cruz last summer I here the price they are willing to pay changes with supply and demand

 

[DocLeaf]

Thanks for the link Get Mo

Whatever: A security guard would cost some money to employ in the UK.
A secure facility would also be expensive to install. Likely less expensive in US Thanks.

To DocLeaf and others who would condemn us medical growers for asking to be reimbursed....

...even though the clubs are profiteering bastards mostly..

Isn't that a contradiction in terms

Basically what DocLeaf is suggesting is equivelant to saying that you aren't being compassionate unless you give away your cannabis for free, !!

That is correct. They'd be dealing,, just like any other dope-growing-dealer,, they'd have to account for the outlay costs.

the same cannabis that COST YOU 2600 a pound to grow!!

Those figures sound a little dramatic,,, a pound is less than half a kg... anyhow, like anything we guess these things depend on availability. We are only looking for ways to improve things,, not put them down

My eyes are wide open ,,, :wink:

 

[mrred]

768 for clones? you cant clone your own?<.< and if your growing in dirt why not go with the benefit of going all organic and composting your own dirt. i'm guessing you went with 1k lights since you veg for 4 weeks to take full advantage. IMo you should of went with 600s and only veg a week max. Or why not just grow in a greenhouse?

 

[K.J]

To DocLeaf and others who would condemn us medical growers for asking to be reimbursed: Let me show you some of the costs for a typical 4 light grow for someone trying to stay within reasonable plant numbers, lets say 16 a light.

Rent: Bay area, for an sm house in a bad area, atleast 1400, x 3 months
Clones: Average clone price is 12 , 12 x 64 = 768
Dirt: 200 bucks for enough for 64 plants in 3 gals.
Nutes etc: around 300 for a cycle worth of nutes(including additives etc.)
Electricity for veg: 4 week veg, 18/6 4 lights is 807.43 JUST lights, JUST!
Electricity for flower: 8 week flower, 12/12 4 lights is 965.42, JUST LIGHTS!
Electricity for MISC: 3 months at 150 a month is 450
These are the biggest obvious costs, of course there are alot of other costs that I havent listed such as transportation, security, etc. So lets add up the recurring cycle costs:

Rent :4200
Clones: 768
Dirt: 200
Nutes: 300
ALL Electricity: 2222.85
Total: 7690.85

So thats the approximate cost for a typical 4 light cycle here in the bay area, and it certainly doesn't include everything, and it in fact assumes that one has already spent the thousands necessary on setup and equipment.

Average grower gets about 3/4 pound per light.
That means total harvest is 3 pounds.
Avg bay area indoor price: 3400
So if the grower sells all 3 p's for 3400, they get 10,200,
making a profit of 2509.15 after 3 months of hard work, time and effort.

Thats 836 dollars a month profit.

So, lets say we did what doc says we must do, and give it to the clubs for free(even though the clubs are profiteering bastards mostly).
Well, that would mean we don't get the 10,200 to offset our costs.
Basically what DocLeaf is suggesting is equivelant to saying that you aren't being compassionate unless you give away your cannabis for free, the same cannabis that COST YOU 2600 a pound to grow!!

Pull yer heads out of your asses people, the shit ain't free, show a little appreciation for the people behind the scenes taking care of the med community.

Rant Over.

I was waiting for someone to pull something like this together. Kudos! Not that I think all of your numbers are correct, or that you made the right assumptions, but it's a start and adds to the dialogue here.

This also made me realize something else about the price of black market and medical cannabis: it's ALL influenced by the high cost of living in CA. So much of the black market/medical market in high grade cannabis is grown in CA that the cost of living there jacks the prices up and sets the standard for most of the country. Just a theory, but I think it might be sound. If so, that means the more cannabis grown in different parts of the country and put into either market, the further (potentially) the price can drop.

 

[NiteTiger]

768 for clones? you cant clone your own?<.< and if your growing in dirt why not go with the benefit of going all organic and composting your own dirt. i'm guessing you went with 1k lights since you veg for 4 weeks to take full advantage. IMo you should of went with 600s and only veg a week max. Or why not just grow in a greenhouse?

If you look at the numbers, he's figuring costs for a one shot op, not a place he's going to live. So, no compost bin, and no mom.

Also, there's no reason to veg for 4 weeks to get 'full advantage' of 1k, and the 600 v 1kw, that's a whole 'nother subject, and it's been argued absolutely to death.

 

[Whatever]

it's ALL influenced by the high cost of living in CA

I don't think it's all influenced by the high cost of living but as I mentioned earlier it is definitely a factor. Where I live in Cali the elec rates are probably about half of what many others pay for one and rents/houses are less expensive for another. I could easily see how the overhead of an op in a big city would be a chunk more.

Those numbers Purrpullkush put up are definitely not the norm but understand a bit those figures and how they were derived. As others have said should not be paying for clones and if you're running soil best to run fully organic and recycle cause obviously save money but recycled soil only gets better over time

 

[purrpullkush]

Isn't that a contradiction in terms

I don't see how it is a contradiction in terms. You suggested we should give our cannabis away for free. Please elaborate.

That is correct. They'd be dealing,, just like any other dope-growing-dealer,, they'd have to account for the outlay costs.

So you are saying I am a drug dealer because I grow medicine for patients and accept reimbursement for the costs associated with growing it?

Those figures sound a little dramatic,,, a pound is less than half a kg... anyhow, like anything we guess these things depend on availability. We are only looking for ways to improve things,, not put them down

My eyes are wide open ,,, :wink:

I am aware that a pound is less than half a kilo but I have no idea what the relevance of that is.

In general, I can't really figure out what you are disputing about my analysis, please if you are going to dissent, please be more thorough so newbies might find some value in this discussion.

 

[purrpullkush]

768 for clones? you cant clone your own?<.< and if your growing in dirt why not go with the benefit of going all organic and composting your own dirt. i'm guessing you went with 1k lights since you veg for 4 weeks to take full advantage. IMo you should of went with 600s and only veg a week max. Or why not just grow in a greenhouse?

768 for clones,m thats 12 bucks a piece x 64.
No, many of us can't keep clones or moms, for one thing, If I were to keep clones and moms around, I'd be well over 100 plants putting me squarely in the crosshairs of the federal government and exposing me to the mandatory sentencing guidelines which would put me at risk of going to federal prison for 85%+ of a 5 year mandatory sentence. So I stay under 100

Most people(like me) don't have any reasonable way to compost and reuse soil, but even if I did, I probably wouldn't do it because relative to all of the other costs, soil is menial. Also, if you have any problems with plant diseases, bugs, pollen, mildew etc, its a lot safer to throw away old soil if not pasteurizing it.

I put a 4 week veg in because I mostly grow purple and all the purple varieties I have dealt with need atleast 3 weeks of veg to get a decent yield, and do better with 4. I use 1kw exclusively but it is certainly true you could reduce your electricity cost during veg by using 600's instead. There is no way vegging for 1 week would work, would need many more plants. Also, how am I supposed to grow in a greenhouse in the middle of a city and with no back yard?

 

[purrpullkush]

I was waiting for someone to pull something like this together. Kudos! Not that I think all of your numbers are correct, or that you made the right assumptions, but it's a start and adds to the dialogue here.

This also made me realize something else about the price of black market and medical cannabis: it's ALL influenced by the high cost of living in CA. So much of the black market/medical market in high grade cannabis is grown in CA that the cost of living there jacks the prices up and sets the standard for most of the country. Just a theory, but I think it might be sound. If so, that means the more cannabis grown in different parts of the country and put into either market, the further (potentially) the price can drop.

Hi,
This wasn't meant to be an all-encompassing thing, just an example with reasonable figures to show the uninformed how expensive this really is. Thanks for your input, and I agree that the high cost of living in california has some effect on the market for sure. But its complex because the prices are low here relative to the midwest, the east coast, and the south where the same pounds can easily go for twice as much as they do in cali.

 

[purrpullkush]

I don't think it's all influenced by the high cost of living but as I mentioned earlier it is definitely a factor. Where I live in Cali the elec rates are probably about half of what many others pay for one and rents/houses are less expensive for another. I could easily see how the overhead of an op in a big city would be a chunk more.

Those numbers Purrpullkush put up are definitely not the norm but understand a bit those figures and how they were derived. As others have said should not be paying for clones and if you're running soil best to run fully organic and recycle cause obviously save money but recycled soil only gets better over time

Hey there,
good points you got there, I addressed most of them in the posts above, but I just wanted to clarify for everyone that those electricity numbers are based on PGE's current rates in my area. I am taking into consideration the baseline rate and subsequent rate hikes that are applied when one goes over a specific percentage of the baseline, its pretty complex so I put together an excel spreadsheet for easy calculating. For anyone who doesn't understand how PGE billing works, once you go over the baseline usage($35 where I'm at) PGE starts charging you exponentially more per kilowatt hour. I pay for most of my power at around 42 cents a kw/hour. If anyone wants a copy of the pge calculator spreadsheet or can host it somewhere, please PM me.
Good day sirs!!

 

[tgpfarm]

What you guys pay for power is freaking nuts!

Me and my roommate both have powerful computers that we leave on, i have 2 lcd screens one being a 24" roommate has 26". We have a media computer, ps3, 42" lcd, 3 surround sound systems, electric stove, frig, plus my 400 watt grow. And our bill is $70 a month tops!

 

[C21H30O2]

I think what should be taken away from the analysis is that quality and quantity don't come cheap. If you do it cheap either quality or quantity suffer, if you lower quality you aren't producing good medicine for those who need it, if quantity is low you won't have enough to sell to the clubs. somethings got to give. Quality and quantity cannot be delivered to the clubs for disbursement to patients without incurring the heavy cost of production. As altruistic as some may be few people are gunna take on a monthly debt when they themselves are struggling to pay the bill. But who knows perhaps you are such a person in which case, thanks the world needs more of you.

fuck im stoned...