Selling back to clubs?

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

JJ makes an excellent point here. Just for my personal I go perpetual, pulling every 30 days. So, given that, I'll do an analysis similar to purrpull's, so we can get a clearer idea.

Rent for a house in a good neighborhood - $1200

5000w* (2 4kw rooms on a flip-flop, plus a 600w veg, and 400 incidental watts) running 24 hours a day ([(5000x24)/1000]x.09x30) - $324.

Rental furniture for front room (security, always)- $250

One gallon of FNB per month (more than necessary, but let's figure it) - $70

Water - $100

Incidentals (replacement bulbs, parts, etc) - $1000, to err on the side of caution again.

Total - $2844, we'll call it $3k, just for shits and giggles.

Of course, these are costs of living in my area, which I doubt are the same as Cali, but the principal remains the same.

I've averaged just under 2 lbs per 1kw light, and could probably hit that by dialing in the proper strain, but let's figure 1lb per 1kw light.

So, we're left with 4lbs every 30 days. At $2500/lb, that's $10k a month. Minus our $3k expenses, that's $7k profit per month.

That's closer to a dedicated med grow, I believe, and of course, we've erred on the side of caution. Of course, in my area, I can get rid of 4 lbs @ 4k per in under an hour,

Sound about right?

*Since this is a dedicated house, we've disconnected the hot water heater, and any other appliance drawing a constant current, of course.

A house in a nice neighborhood in most californian suburban areas:
$1600-3000

Cost of maintaining a 1k per month on 12/12 lighting period:
$234.09

Right off the bat were paying $1500-4000 PER MONTH MORE.

Its like they say:

"STEP UP or SHUT UP"

Tired of hearing people complain about the prices and doing absolutly nothing to change it......

 

[Blue Dot]

Are you talking about someone living in the house or not?
Because the last time I went to my tax guy and said I worked at home he said you could only deduct the percentage of living space that is dedicated to your work. Can't deduct the garge just because you park there, can't deduct the bathroom, can't decduct the sleeping quarters, can't deduct the kitchen, LR Etc.

So if a grower is living at the house (which I'm guessing most are) then the percentage deduction of a few spare bedrooms would be like at most 25% of the total square footage and since that's all the iRS will allow you to deduct it surely means that would be all you would be allowed to be reimbursed for for "expenses' under sb420 which is basically null and void last I read (due to a constituional challenge) and has reverted back to the intial wording of 215.

 

[NiteTiger]

A house in a nice neighborhood in most californian suburban areas:
$1600-3000

Cost of maintaining a 1k per month on 12/12 lighting period:
$234.09

Right off the bat were paying $1500-4000 PER MONTH MORE.

Its like they say:

"STEP UP or SHUT UP"

Tired of hearing people complain about the prices and doing absolutly nothing to change it......

Step up or shut up, was that directed at me because I'm not sure where that would fit in to what I was saying? Or were you just quoting me to address the price differential? I'm confused now

My main point was showing the difference between a one time one run op that Purrpull priced out, and a dedicated perpetual op. I know you guys are paying more, and I figured it was about that much, but I thought the numbers I ran were very conservative (no one here would actually only pull 4 lbs off of a 4kw room, right?). Given that, even with the increased cost of living, you can still make quite a bit more than Purrpull's example if you're running a dedicated perpetual grow.

That was my point, sorry if I wasn't clear.

Oh, and WTF are you guys paying for electricity?! You guys are getting freaking raped out there

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Step up or shut up, was that directed at me because I'm not sure where that would fit in to what I was saying? Or were you just quoting me to address the price differential? I'm confused now

My main point was showing the difference between a one time one run op that Purrpull priced out, and a dedicated perpetual op. I know you guys are paying more, and I figured it was about that much, but I thought the numbers I ran were very conservative (no one here would actually only pull 4 lbs off of a 4kw room, right?). Given that, even with the increased cost of living, you can still make quite a bit more than Purrpull's example if you're running a dedicated perpetual grow.

That was my point, sorry if I wasn't clear.

Oh, and WTF are you guys paying for electricity?! You guys are getting freaking raped out there

Baselines,,,peak usuage charges,,, over consumption fees,,,seasonal charges,,, high population energy consumption,,,,

my kwh is .16 ,,, but that is before it runs through all the rape fees.

im just hoping obama will get on an energy stimulus, encouraging homeowners to switch to self generated solar. but with the increasing cost of crude electricity, they really arent giving much incentive to not make the switch sooner....

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Cost of maintaining a 1k per month on 12/12 lighting period:
$234.09

Huh? Where you live in Cali?

I live in Cali and my entire freaking house bill hasn't broken $200. (Gas heat/stove/water)

Just finished a 3 month run of 12/12 too. (SunSystems 1Kw HPS)

 

[kmk420kali]

My experience is that the bill goes up $100 for each 1K light on 12/12--
But hey....who am I....I only pay the bills-- (I live in So Cal--)

 

[NiteTiger]

Baselines,,,peak usuage charges,,, over consumption fees,,,seasonal charges,,, high population energy consumption,,,,

my kwh is .16 ,,, but that is before it runs through all the rape fees.

im just hoping obama will get on an energy stimulus, encouraging homeowners to switch to self generated solar. but with the increasing cost of crude electricity, they really arent giving much incentive to not make the switch sooner....

Damn, they nail you guys in every hole out there don't they! That's insane. That's almost double my kwh, and I've never seen a peak usage charge in my life Just straight pay for use.

Well, yeah, there's some taxes and shit, but not the stuff you guys are getting nailed with.

Of course, we don't have the beaches and weather you guys enjoy either

 

[Greyskull]

We get hit hard in the land of the sun and prop 215.

I am ALWAYS in the highest tier when I see the power bill... if my bill only went up $100 for each 1k I'd be running 8 lights over 16 4x4's w/ 8 55g reserviors and never outta killer head stash. and never having to sell the last fo my personal for makig the gas bill...

WE PAY FOR THE BEACHES AND SUNSHINE BELIEVE THAT!

 

[Blue Dot]

ironic that our electricity is payed for with "sunshine dollars"

 

[Pirate]

Huh? Where you live in Cali?

I live in Cali and my entire freaking house bill hasn't broken $200. (Gas heat/stove/water)

Just finished a 3 month run of 12/12 too. (SunSystems 1Kw HPS)

My last electric bill was $756.00.Other utilities not included. My normal (warmer times of year) electrical bills are in the 350 to 450 range every single month. Winter times gets me an increase due to the heaters I need to run during the lights off time. Its basically a 12/12 lighting schedule running 24/7. (lights ON/no heaters, Lights OFF/1500 watt heaters. (several of em) I am running at 75% of my capabilities. So my costs can only go up from here. I calculated my energy costs at .23 cents per KWH after fees and taxes.(do the math for one light) Every one talks about 12/12. What about the 18/6 ? That cost even more per light. Granted there are less lights in the 18/6 room but it is part of the equation.

Yeah, When I hear people BITCH about the cost of MJ it drives me crazy. They have no idea what it takes in labor, running costs, security, start up costs and STRESS. Most people would give up after seeing what I go through and the compensation I get back to provide medicine.

IMO.........at the $2.22 per hour (minus expenses) I get for 1 OZ of dried and cured bud, They get it dirt cheap.

Off original subject?.......... Sorry.

 

[purrpullkush]

Is it really worth the gamble to rent a seperate house, if that's what you're doing, with all the utilities just to make 800 bucks a month? And if you are renting a seperate house you should be pulling a harvest every 45 days at the very most....

45 days? Are you just trying to be inflammatory because you keep making weird statements without qualifying them at all. And what about veg time? What are you trying to prove? Really seems like you are being very casual as an authority figure on this "medical forum" to suggest that everyone with a house setup for medical growing should be pulling crops every 45 days or less. I don't see how this is remotely possible if someone doesn't want to have over 100 plants and has 4 lights. As far as the gamble of renting a seperate house, I don't see why it is in fact a gamble...also, many people if not most people, DON'T HAVE any space to grow in where they live.

 

[purrpullkush]

Hey, I miss blue dot. I Just saw a bunch over at CARE and my boy picked some up.

If yours turned out low grade, blame the grower not the genetics.

Pretty sure I've seen the real blue dot, it was all over oaksterdam for years, it was never anything to write home about.

 

[purrpullkush]

JJ makes an excellent point here. Just for my personal I go perpetual, pulling every 30 days. So, given that, I'll do an analysis similar to purrpull's, so we can get a clearer idea.

Rent for a house in a good neighborhood - $1200

5000w* (2 4kw rooms on a flip-flop, plus a 600w veg, and 400 incidental watts) running 24 hours a day ([(5000x24)/1000]x.09x30) - $324.

Rental furniture for front room (security, always)- $250

One gallon of FNB per month (more than necessary, but let's figure it) - $70

Water - $100

Incidentals (replacement bulbs, parts, etc) - $1000, to err on the side of caution again.

Total - $2844, we'll call it $3k, just for shits and giggles.

Of course, these are costs of living in my area, which I doubt are the same as Cali, but the principal remains the same.

I've averaged just under 2 lbs per 1kw light, and could probably hit that by dialing in the proper strain, but let's figure 1lb per 1kw light.

So, we're left with 4lbs every 30 days. At $2500/lb, that's $10k a month. Minus our $3k expenses, that's $7k profit per month.

That's closer to a dedicated med grow, I believe, and of course, we've erred on the side of caution. Of course, in my area, I can get rid of 4 lbs @ 4k per in under an hour,

Sound about right?

*Since this is a dedicated house, we've disconnected the hot water heater, and any other appliance drawing a constant current, of course.

I got a few comments:

Here in grimy ass oakland, you can not find a house in a nice neighborhood where you don't have to look over your shoulder too much for under 1600, and you'd be real lucky at that price for a 2br. EDIT: After looking on craigslist, I don't think you can find one for less than 2000.

Your electricity bill is lovely...that grow from your estimates uses about 3960 kw/h per 30 days...If I did that in my house...my bill would be $1,456.87

The whole perpetual multi harvest thing requires a seperate veg area and inherently more plants, those of us trying to stay under 100(upon the advice of alot of good lawyers) can't run short cycles and veg at the same time, and are also forced to buy clones because even maintaining mothers and making clones would put us over 100 plants. Federal mandatory sentencing guidelines mandate that a federal conviction for growing over 100 plants nets you a minimum of 5 years in the pen, of which you must serve atleast 85%. If you have a prior drug felony conviction its 10 years, 2 prior drug felony convictions gets you 25 to life. If you guys wanna take these kind of risks thats fine, but don't call us dumb for being inefficient in exchange for peace of mind and assured freedom.

Your average of 2 lb's a light is not by any means the norm and its real hard to believe you are doing that with low plant numbers vegging under a single 600 watt light. Anyhow not saying you are a liar but again I think this is very very atypical, noone can expect to pull 1 gpw like you are suggesting is easy as pie.

 

[NiteTiger]

Purr, you really don't see how you can pull a crop at the maximum every 45 days? I just told you in my personal I'm running a perpetual and pulling every 30. 400W veg with a mom, pull clones, and veg them for 30 days, which gives you very good size plants. They go in as soon as one set are harvested, and boom, you're pulling a nice crop every 30 days. Of course, if you've got a long flowering strain, it may go out to 45, as JJ said.

It can be done with ease, in any grow setting that has a separate veg, even a cabinet under a 175w. People are doing it all over this forum.

Perpetual needs only timing to happen. It's quite doable, and I can't for the life of me imagine how you consider this impossible or inflammatory. If you're starting from seed, with no veg chamber, yeah, you're not going to pull every 30-45 days, but who in their right minds are running a med grow from seed each time? It's just not any kind of sound reasoning.

Perpetual isn't inflammatory or ridiculous, it's a fact of life for a professional grower, be they med or otherwise. How can you have been here for two years and not have even heard of a perpetual?

I'm totally lost by your reasoning here

 

[greengorillaz]

that's telling them.....

 

[purrpullkush]

Purr, you really don't see how you can pull a crop at the maximum every 45 days? I just told you in my personal I'm running a perpetual and pulling every 30. 400W veg with a mom, pull clones, and veg them for 30 days, which gives you very good size plants. They go in as soon as one set are harvested, and boom, you're pulling a nice crop every 30 days. Of course, if you've got a long flowering strain, it may go out to 45, as JJ said.

It can be done with ease, in any grow setting that has a separate veg, even a cabinet under a 175w. People are doing it all over this forum.

Perpetual needs only timing to happen. It's quite doable, and I can't for the life of me imagine how you consider this impossible or inflammatory. If you're starting from seed, with no veg chamber, yeah, you're not going to pull every 30-45 days, but who in their right minds are running a med grow from seed each time? It's just not any kind of sound reasoning.

Perpetual isn't inflammatory or ridiculous, it's a fact of life for a professional grower, be they med or otherwise. How can you have been here for two years and not have even heard of a perpetual?

I'm totally lost by your reasoning here

Man,
who said I had never heard of perpetual? What I am saying is that it requires a lot of plants and is not practical for people trying to stay the fuck out of the penitentiary.

 

[NiteTiger]

I got a few comments:

Here in grimy ass oakland, you can not find a house in a nice neighborhood where you don't have to look over your shoulder too much for under 1600, and you'd be real lucky at that price for a 2br.

Your electricity bill is lovely...that grow from your estimates uses about 3960 kw/h per 30 days...If I did that in my house...my bill would be $1,456.87

The whole perpetual multi harvest thing requires a seperate veg area and inherently more plants, those of us trying to stay under 100(upon the advice of alot of good lawyers) can't run short cycles and veg at the same time, and are also forced to buy clones because even maintaining mothers and making clones would put us over 100 plants. Federal mandatory sentencing guidelines mandate that a federal conviction for growing over 100 plants nets you a minimum of 5 years in the pen, of which you must serve atleast 85%. If you have a prior drug felony conviction its 10 years, 2 prior drug felony convictions gets you 25 to life. If you guys wanna take these kind of risks thats fine, but don't call us dumb for being inefficient in exchange for peace of mind and assured freedom.

Your average of 2 lb's a light is not by any means the norm and its real hard to believe you are doing that with low plant numbers vegging under a single 600 watt light. Anyhow not saying you are a liar but again I think this is very very atypical, noone can expect to pull 1 gpw like you are suggesting is easy as pie.

We posted at the same time

I'm not averaging two pounds per light, nor did I claim 1gpw. I specifically said under 2lbs per light. Go read my grows bro, it's not hard with low plant numbers. It would be very, very easy to pull the numbers I was talking about without getting anywhere near 100 plants. 25 plants per room, vegged 30 days, 2 rooms = 50 plants. 5 moms (more than you need) puts you at 55. 25 clones a run vegging puts us at 80 plants, well under your worries.

Vegging 30 days, you can do less plants than that. Once again, I'm totally amazed that you could have been here two years and not understand this?

With these numbers, it doesn't freaking matter what that you're paying even $3000 more than I figured, there is still quite a good salary there for you. Hell, my figures even included $1k in incidentals, which takes a chunk out of your increased figures.

 

[NiteTiger]

Oh, and if you're ONLY pulling 4 lbs per room as I figured, you're doing it wrong.

 

[purrpullkush]

Look, NiteTiger, I've been here alot longer than 2 years, and I've been growing indoors for almost 10 years...I've setup alot of other people's grows and I've seen a lot of other peoples grows in addition to my personal experience. My intention was never to grow high yielding shitty commercial bud that goes for 2500 a lb like you do. Try getting some decent genetics like real OG Kush or GDP and see if you can pull your 2 lb's. 1 lb per 1kw light is a decently good yield for GDP or Kush...In fact, there seems to be a correlation here doesnt there....high grade strains....are substantially harder to get high yields from. Not all plants are the same, some strains can be vegged out big and get big yields on them, some have a point of diminishing returns that kicks in after a couple weeks of veg and aren't suited to big plant growing. You are really generalizing alot here about what people should expect to yield considering you have probably never even smoked any real cali high grade let alone grown it.

 

[purrpullkush]

but hey...you do have a whole fucking lot to say don't you...for someone that grows 2500 a lb bullshit.