The last product I posted, has yeast, humic, fulvic, and kelp along with the maltodextrin. Active yeast foliar and drench is a current interest of mine.
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The last product I posted, has yeast, humic, fulvic, and kelp along with the maltodextrin. Active yeast foliar and drench is a current interest of mine.
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MegaHermie
Buy it or don't buy it.. No one cares.. but my buddy who grows the smoothest, best erb I have ever smoked, swears by this. I've smoked thousands of different grower's erb and if he says this stuff is where it's at, I'm gonna give it a go..
he's been using it for over a year now
he's been using it for over a year now
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SeaMaiden
My question is this: Does it serve a purpose? Why is the B. thuringiensis in there in the first place? It doesn't bother me, but I am questioning it, because I question what I don't understand.
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SeaMaiden
I noticed all of those things, I'm assuming that part of the purpose is food. Here's the rub re: maltodextrin as I understand it; maltodextrin can be consumed by people with gluten-intolerance safely because it's been so broken down, the proteins are broken up into pieces that are too small to cause the reaction that gluten typically causes. I hope that made/makes sense. In any event, I've worked with malted barley extract for a few years now and I personally prefer it, as part of an organic feed mix, to molasses.
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MegaHermie
So many haters on this site.. you do your thing and i'll do mine..
not to mention I get shit for wholesale. Shit's cheap in the grand scheme of things. What's wrong with trying out a 16 oz bottle? and BTW I love money and smoking smooth erb while I count it. thanks
I wouldnt be surprised if the maltodextrin was added to aid in the fermentation/activation of the active yeast extract, in the professional ag products Ive found containing saccharomyces cerevisiae all of them have maltodextrin. I added MBE to my list of things to delve into after you mentioned it another thread, :thumbup:
GS
So many haters on this site.. you do your thing and i'll do mine..
not to mention I get shit for wholesale. Shit's cheap in the grand scheme of things. What's wrong with trying out a 16 oz bottle? and BTW I love money and smoking smooth erb while I count it. thanks
Its not a hater type thing..... they dont make their product, they buy it from the company that does.... dilute it heavily and charge $300 for what you could have bought for $100. Not similar.... the same.
So in reality..... if you want that exact mix, the cost would be in the range of 20-30$ a gallon to buy it from someone else. Why would you want to support a company like that?
Whats wrong with trying out a 16oz bottle? Nothing..... but it simply defies reason why youre such a *** to someone trying to save you from 300% mark up.
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So many haters on this site.. you do your thing and i'll do mine..
not to mention I get shit for wholesale. Shit's cheap in the grand scheme of things. What's wrong with trying out a 16 oz bottle? and BTW I love money and smoking smooth erb while I count it. thanks
Lol. I feel ya. Shit is plain amazing. I spend my time growing not doing trial error on microbe mixes. Best "organic" growers i know use this and love it, and their product speaks for it. And now after trying it, i believe it. Growth and all aspects are phenomenal all around.
Because not all of us are gonna mix it ourselves and go through trial and error vs. a 100% successful product. Lets be honest, very few of the people i know doing things themselves to save money in the long run grow as good of a product as the people using shit like Sea green. I mean night and day, and that difference makes up the difference in cost everytime. Im just about done with my first 1lb bottle, and the difference in growth/product will be worth it to buy more plain and simple. i do think it also has to do with what level folks are growing at, if you have a closet grow or 4x4 tent, then ya it may not be as profitable in the long run- but if you are larger and hitting numbers per light and do see a difference its negligible in the end and worth the cost to have something making such a drastic change out the bottle.
Hey whats up man, dunno if you saw my first post in this thread where I list the actual concentrations compared to the others on the market, couple of points Id make,
Theres not a complex difference between the application of sea green and PHC biopack or similar. Powder into water. Powder onto roots, Same with the bulk products on ebay, compete plus is a 2 part powder that are mixed together in water. Trial and error? Im sending you to the companies that make this for agriculture and horticulture not their customers.
The phrase to keep in mind if you look at my first post in this thread is Lowest concentrations of bacteria for the absolute highest price Ive seen. Not just PHC, oregonism, zho but the plethora of "trich" and bacillus products in agriculture, And according to the expert I talked to at Koppert higher numbers are better. Also Koppert, an international authority on bio control of pest and diseases,
Not sure what your point is about large grow vs small, money wasted on inferior products is much more important as Ive expanded my op over the years.
It doesnt matter if you're running 2 lights, or like myself, many times that, they highest price for the lowest concentration makes little sense.
So you literally have to be completely turned off to the possibility that there is a better product at a better price.
Its not like I'm telling you to google it and do some research on your own, I'm naming brands, prices, concentrations and you have to do NOTHING but make a good decision. Ive done a ton of reading and have tried a few different products...... and in my opinion, they all work well so I dont really care what you use, my recommendation is people should use it period. The difference in growth, vigor and resistance to pathogens is proven. But I also think you should buy the best you can find for the best price, and there are some better formulations out there that would benefit any grow. Like trichoderma.
Honestly not on some trip here, ust trying to help
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MegaHermie;
+rep for the message, thanks man
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And I'm just on the other side asking "Why not include it?" for most applications and most people buying the product for its original crop uses. For MMJ growers, not so much unless israelenses.
+rep for the message, thanks man
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And I'm just on the other side asking "Why not include it?" for most applications and most people buying the product for its original crop uses. For MMJ growers, not so much unless israelenses.
What's hard to understand? It says it acts as a larvacide of certain pests. Didn't know that was a bad thing..
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SeaMaiden
If it's not needed, then why include it? It's an additional cost, and perhaps takes away from the total volume of other 'bugs', kind of like how state STAR testing takes away from valuable class time for kids.MegaHermie;
+rep for the message, thanks man
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And I'm just on the other side asking "Why not include it?" for most applications and most people buying the product for its original crop uses. For MMJ growers, not so much unless israelenses.
Well, reading what I am about the new resistance farmers are experiencing in the very pests they intended to be done with, resistant specifically to the Bt toxin that's in our new lovely GMO crops? Seems that more problems may be on the horizon. I already make a habit of rotating physical barriers and essential oils with products such as Bti/Btk and Spinosad, specifically to *avoid* creating resistant organisms.
Currently still reading the article about glyphosate, that's some bad shit, too.
The reason I brought it up is just that I'd prefer to use it for a specific purpose rather than as a prophylactic. Creatures and other living things have a certain knack of building tolerances to man concocted pest/disease controls, like we are seeing with pyrethrins, glyphosate, antibiotics, etc.
Also, as you mentioned, it is listed as if some generic species kinda like homo without the sapiens.
What else is in it Dignan? I thought they advertised it as a microbial mix which makes nutrients available. Is there a resource or link with some clear facts?
It appears that the list George has provided is expressed correctly using the 'g' for grams while the other list could be confused with or is it? cfu/gm = colony-forming unit-granulocyte/macrophage
It gets worse when people use 'g' for gallon.
Dignam; It is being evaluated based upon what is in it, who it is that is making/packaging/selling it and how much it costs considering these factors, just like any other product or substance introduced on this forum.
As an example, one can purchase a bottled plant carbohydrate for a big buck or possibly get the identical substance for far less by purchasing black strap molasses.
I am completely open to seeing what is included in this product and perhaps it is great but I've had a hard time finding this so far.
Other than that, have we not already encountered problems in the horticultural world by testimonial type fads? I like to know the volume of everything that is in what I might use or recommend.
That way it is easy to compare, based on price and quality, to other products.
My reason for posting the links to Asian companies is to illustrate that this is likely where most of these microbial 'cultures' are sourced for repackaging at various tiers.
Would it not be refreshing for some of these North Amercian companies to openly admit that they get this stuff from somewhere else and repack it at such and such a rate? So many play the word game which allows them to call it their product just because their label is placed on it with a fancy name.
I'm not saying that is what these guys do but they are entitled to the same scrutiny as anyone else.
If I came out with some product, say called 'Microbe Man's wondernute' and there were some blokes saying 'wow, you should see my plants....unbelievable!' and I was not revealing what was in it and even that it would not pass organic certification, would you run out to buy it?
I like that u all are so pasionated about this...
Fore 1 u are lucky that u have all these products to choose from,
But i would remind u that we are some that grow big buds with out all those fancy products, even tho i did use Greath White this year most off the stuff was pretty basic
Fore 1 u are lucky that u have all these products to choose from,
But i would remind u that we are some that grow big buds with out all those fancy products, even tho i did use Greath White this year most off the stuff was pretty basic
