Round Infinity

[Badfishy1]

Man, I feel for you Seafour, I've had my car broken into and lost a qp when I was younger. Not the same as getting all your keys taken, and it didn't happen at my house. Good thing the cop/ gun deal worked out, but I'm sure your sick about the plant loss. Not sure how I would have handled that but probably the same.

These days I deal with trespassers who think they have a right to access my property because the past owner didn't live here for twenty years. When we got the place the back door had been kicked in though, so not everyone is kosher here in my opinion.

And I can understand living where few smoke weed and prefer harder stuff. A couple years out of high school I moved in with friends who moved to south Florida and stayed there for the better part of seven years.
A few locals who were boyfriends of my friends smoked weed occasionaly but by far the focus was cola and occasionally H. Small, mostly mid and some larger movers. Other imported hardware as well. Weed was in larger bulk because at 150-300 lb the cola was more profitable, plus its all anyone wanted to do.
Result of that was being around a fair amount of desperate people willing to lie, steal and do whatever unless they where on the distribution side of it. Plenty of crazy, sad and pitiful stories from that time frame, early eighties.
Least you got your locks changed, I'd get a dog if possible to go with the gun, even a good barker is a nice backup/ warning.
New friends worthwhile can be hard to come by as I get older, met maybe one out here in the four years since I've been here. I can be a bit hermit like though, plus I focus on family and work a lot.

Interesting sir.... I am born n raised in south FL. Cannibus has ALWAYS been almost 'socially acceptable'. Many towns started as fishing villages and blew up from importing weed. I will agree the downfall to smuggling was when the kids started paying for .50 school lunches with $100 bills all decked out in mr t gold chain starter kits in impoverished fishing villages...

 

[nameless]

hi avi, just stopping in. c4 sorry to hear your having a hard time meeting decent folk. that is always depressing. i just started making my own people. i dont need anyone else lol

 

[Avinash.miles]

damn c4, all that is real bad, sorry to hear it as well....

 

[redlaser]

Interesting sir.... I am born n raised in south FL. Cannibus has ALWAYS been almost 'socially acceptable'. Many towns started as fishing villages and blew up from importing weed. I will agree the downfall to smuggling was when the kids started paying for .50 school lunches with $100 bills all decked out in mr t gold chain starter kits in impoverished fishing villages...

I like Florida a lot, make it back now and then. I remember hearing weed used to be a lot bigger than coke there, wish I would have met more weed people living there.
You'd probably know better than me when cola blew up, but the time frame I was there was 83-90, and from my experience weed appealed to less than 30% of rec drug users.
Several of the guys I knew were into the multiple gold chain look, I think sometimes Miami Vice influenced a lot of movers. I was not immune to the situation for what that is worth

 

[Avinash.miles]

i used to have a super comfortable pair of plaid shorts.... loved those things wore them all summer iirc
never been big on anything remotely speedy myself

 

[DoubleTripleOG]

I'm wearing some of those plaid shorts from Wal-Mart right now, lol.

 

[redlaser]

i used to have a super comfortable pair of plaid shorts.... loved those things wore them all summer iirc
never been big on anything remotely speedy myself

I still have a pair of plaid shorts I like, but my "wardrobe" is an area that doesn't get much new money. (Any)
Count yourself lucky on not having an interest in go fast crap. Glad I ran into it at younger age and eventually learned to dislike it.
Growing up I was taught all drugs are bad, so when I tried weed and it was no big deal I figured they were lying about all of it.

Getting way off the subject matter of the thread though Avi, did you ever come to any more conclusions on the Gg4's demise?

I've been following Elaine Ingram's work and a guy named Scott from Cresive testing and their microscope work where they are verifying fungal,bacterial, nematode, and other microbe populations.
They can correlate pm, gnats and other issues with the microlife populations if out of balance. I think if too many oomycytes are seen pm is likely, or almost guaranteed as an example.
Neem wasn't in your mix I don't believe but Scott recently posted microlife populations before and after neem and kelp tea applications.
Affected the fungi to bacteria ratios a lot, I believe it was anti fungal. I went to a seminar type thing with both of them and Scott has collected lots of data from grows that should be released sometime this year.

They are all about the microlife, and my guess yours was somehow out of balance. Don't think it was too much water although it had that look, the only other guess was some kind of chemical got spilled in there.
I looked forward to that plants updates, was a beast. Scott is in IG at scottogranola, has some recent tests posted showing what he does.

Their advice is use a microscope to verify stuff, like Microbeman does. I'm not quite there myself but heading that direction, only way to know if teas are right etc.

 

[Avinash.miles]

Getting way off the subject matter of the thread though Avi, did you ever come to any more conclusions on the Gg4's demise?

I've been following Elaine Ingram's work and a guy named Scott from Cresive testing and their microscope work where they are verifying fungal,bacterial, nematode, and other microbe populations.
They can correlate pm, gnats and other issues with the microlife populations if out of balance. I think if too many oomycytes are seen pm is likely, or almost guaranteed as an example.
Neem wasn't in your mix I don't believe but Scott recently posted microlife populations before and after neem and kelp tea applications.
Affected the fungi to bacteria ratios a lot, I believe it was anti fungal. I went to a seminar type thing with both of them and Scott has collected lots of data from grows that should be released sometime this year.

They are all about the microlife, and my guess yours was somehow out of balance. Don't think it was too much water although it had that look, the only other guess was some kind of chemical got spilled in there.
I looked forward to that plants updates, was a beast. Scott is in IG at scottogranola, has some recent tests posted showing what he does.

Their advice is use a microscope to verify stuff, like Microbeman does. I'm not quite there myself but heading that direction, only way to know if teas are right etc.

big gg4 died from some type of stem rot/ root rot, stem was mushy and had brownish spots.... over-watering on my part in this clay soil that holds water like a mother fucker. 10 gallons per week per 100 gl soil is too much.... way too much
ordered 18oz of actinovate, going REAL hard with beneficials....

cool stuff what the soil scientists are learning
terpene tom had a lab in texas predict insect pressure from high N.... i've heard bad things about excess N... everything correlates and depends on each other it seems, im SLOWLY figuring this stuff out and incorporating it into my grow(s)

i've got a pal out here w a microscope taht he links to a bigscreen TV, can get a tiny nematode about 2feet long on the TV

 

[Avinash.miles]

^ light dep, mid/late week2

^^ 2 phenos of acdc x deep chunk (jefe noche aka budding industries) sativa leaning on right, indica on left

^ "Himavat" (PCK x nepal) x hindu kush
couldn't get a good pic of the purple-ish calyxes on this same plant.... the other pheno of himavat is also showing some interesting color for this early on in bloom

^ whole yard, light dep on right; ladder, buckets and all my crap for scale
ready to install the quail netting over the top of posts and wires, will essentially make my yard an entirely enclosed space that locks... a "locked enclosure".

^ most recent addition to the crew lil bo-tiger

today i sprayed everything down with actinovate (which is just a specific streptomyces, which i was already providing but not this high of concentration)
will be rootfeeding with the actinovate as well...

 

[Avinash.miles]

meanwhile, indoors:

^^^ legend OG
smells SUPER lemony and piney, it's unreal, made some hash with it and the flavor is incredible..... buds are not super dense at all, kind of fluffy but decent size and very greasy, i think this strain is going to stick around

^^ chem91 (JB cut - im told) - very sourd chem smelling, nice smells and structure; been warned about hermies on this strain, none yet showing so that's good....

^^^ sour dubb
very sour d smelling, seems like it has more lateral branching and better support for itself than the sour d, chem91, and white valley royal kush but not as big of buds as the WVRK or chem91, about same size buds as the sour d

^ this came to me labeled as "jager" but i think there was a fuckup somewhere along the line (was warned about a mislabeling after receiving it, was told it could be lonestar's killer queen but haven't done enough homework to see if it's traits match up with typical descriptions of the strain)
smell is earthy and subtle, not super strong smell, but VERY greasy and loaded with trichs, as you can see buds are pretty small, and structure is not so great with lots of space between nodes and not many lateral branches

 

[Badfishy1]

The Brit bros are looking for that ls kq. Lol quite the mistake if so!

 

[Avinash.miles]

The Brit bros are looking for that ls kq. Lol quite the mistake if so!

poked around and did just a lil bit or research about the LS killer queen and i don't think this is it.... all the pics i see hve more solid cola structure and not these lil bitty buds im getting all spaced out; whatever this thing is it's a frosty girl but not a ton of nose on her (yet; hopefully that can change as time goes on)

probably will never know what it really is; jidoka or spacecase might could tell you or maybe not; def some kind of mistake in the handoff or mis-labeling
stoners

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

Not the Queen. She has a sweet watermelon stank to her. Lookin good tho whatever it is.

 

[Avinash.miles]

Not the Queen. She has a sweet watermelon stank to her. Lookin good tho whatever it is.

thanks for chiming in, A_S - always have valued your input

 

[Seaf0ur]

I still have a pair of plaid shorts I like, but my "wardrobe" is an area that doesn't get much new money. (Any)
Count yourself lucky on not having an interest in go fast crap. Glad I ran into it at younger age and eventually learned to dislike it.
Growing up I was taught all drugs are bad, so when I tried weed and it was no big deal I figured they were lying about all of it.

Getting way off the subject matter of the thread though Avi, did you ever come to any more conclusions on the Gg4's demise?

I've been following Elaine Ingram's work and a guy named Scott from Cresive testing and their microscope work where they are verifying fungal,bacterial, nematode, and other microbe populations.
They can correlate pm, gnats and other issues with the microlife populations if out of balance. I think if too many oomycytes are seen pm is likely, or almost guaranteed as an example.
Neem wasn't in your mix I don't believe but Scott recently posted microlife populations before and after neem and kelp tea applications.
Affected the fungi to bacteria ratios a lot, I believe it was anti fungal. I went to a seminar type thing with both of them and Scott has collected lots of data from grows that should be released sometime this year.

They are all about the microlife, and my guess yours was somehow out of balance. Don't think it was too much water although it had that look, the only other guess was some kind of chemical got spilled in there.
I looked forward to that plants updates, was a beast. Scott is in IG at scottogranola, has some recent tests posted showing what he does.

Their advice is use a microscope to verify stuff, like Microbeman does. I'm not quite there myself but heading that direction, only way to know if teas are right etc.

I agree with 97% of what Ingham talks about with few minor exceptions, however Elaine is a salesman like everyone else in the industry with a bit too much hype in my opinion. She has a degree in forestry, not microbiology.
She also seems to be getting quite a great deal of personal credit for things discovered by those who came before her at the Rodale Institute.

Almost every piece of the info coming out of Rodale's is good though... minor disagreements aside.

Rodale's Encyclopedia of soil sciences (pdf)
Rodale's Ultimate encyclopedia of organic gardening (pdf)

 

[nameless]

good links c4 thanks

 

[Tbonegrower]

The sheer depth of knowledge in this thread is frightening.

 

[Avinash.miles]

i think the reason dr. ingham gets so much attention and perhaps even credit especially from the cannabis community is because she doesn't remain aloof from the weed scene and instead involves herself with cannabis farmers and their growing systems in relation to microbial populations and soil biology diversity

i agree, rodale inst. is GREAT! but hasn't ever been particularly friendly to the cannabis scene or weed growers to my knowledge

The sheer depth of knowledge in this thread is frightening.

that's a good thing tho, right?
thanks, i think....

don't be afraid... knowledge is overwhelming sometimes for sure

most recent pollination is using a male catpiss moontang - he is in a room all by himself, i've been one by one (or sometimes 2 at a time) removing a plant from flowring room, allowing it to be pollinated (chill in 12/12 room with the male a day or 2) then spray down with water/beneficials before going back into bloom room
so far females pollinated are: sour dubb, chem91, white valley royal kush, catpiss moontang x floscout (super woody/pissy/dirt smelling with hints of skunk), and a legend OG - and hoping to get a couple more pollinated before it's all said and done, perhaps one of the "power papaya" which is the bongathon competition strain and looks like it wants to make huge towering colas that could take 10-12 weeks or more to finish

 

[Seaf0ur]

Fair point on her not shying away from cannabis. I suppose I hadn't really considered that angle.

Science is never really "settled" and the minor contentions are a necessary part of the process.

Got recent pics of that male?

 

[redlaser]

I agree with 97% of what Ingham talks about with few minor exceptions, however Elaine is a salesman like everyone else in the industry with a bit too much hype in my opinion. She has a degree in forestry, not microbiology.
She also seems to be getting quite a great deal of personal credit for things discovered by those who came before her at the Rodale Institute.

Almost every piece of the info coming out of Rodale's is good though... minor disagreements aside.

Rodale's Encyclopedia of soil sciences (pdf)
Rodale's Ultimate encyclopedia of organic gardening (pdf)

I've heard of a few people that have issues with Elaine, I haven't heard of her claiming others work. One thing people seem to disagree with her about is neem use. They have microscope results that it's antifungal and kills nematodes, by counting samples before and after applications of neem. There are standard reccomended rates of néem for killing both in soil.
She does a lot of weed consults but doesn't disclose specific learned info due to non disclosure agreements. Scottogranola on ig has posted some from customers that show changes over months and different rooms. They both do of course have testing services, Elaine sells books, a brewer I think , has different programs at her property to build compost etc by Chico Ca.
I went to a paid 8 hour presentation of their results of their microscope findings so they do get paid

Overall they seemed to genuinely want to answer every question anyone had with eighty people there, but Elaine had the books as well as humates and the high end stainless steel brewer