GrandmaFresh
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I sure did. I need more recent ones however. In the one plant you can see the yellowing off of the bottom leaves. Meanwhile the other ones have burned tips.
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Okay here we go
Okay here we go
So I have the above, which seems to be showing deficiencies as well as nute burn (I think).
More of the same here.
My ph is around 6.0, my plain water has 50ppm, my food has around 400ppm. Everybody's getting burned and deprived at the same time. I used 4mL Floranova grow and nothing else in my food.
I have a fan blowing across them but they don't seem to thicken up. I made a screw up with nute strength when I first started some of these up. I'm not sure if I should flush or not.
Maybe if I flush them with tap water, give them a turkey baster (yes I use a turkey baster to feed) of pH6 water then a baster of the food that they might perk up?
Any ideas?
Okay here we go
So I have the above, which seems to be showing deficiencies as well as nute burn (I think).
More of the same here.
My ph is around 6.0, my plain water has 50ppm, my food has around 400ppm. Everybody's getting burned and deprived at the same time. I used 4mL Floranova grow and nothing else in my food.
I have a fan blowing across them but they don't seem to thicken up. I made a screw up with nute strength when I first started some of these up. I'm not sure if I should flush or not.
Maybe if I flush them with tap water, give them a turkey baster (yes I use a turkey baster to feed) of pH6 water then a baster of the food that they might perk up?
Any ideas?
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Ya, they are getting burned and the first pic is showing a Zinc issue, see how the veins are turning glowing green? that is a clear zinc issue going on... you got some lockout going no doubt about that......
I would start out using around 200 ppms for now since they are burned; back down on the nutrients......
Yes, flush them out with some tap to clean out the perlite vermiculite mixture... wait.... what mixture are you using? I thought you said vermiculite and perlite mix..... what mixture are these plants in? and wait a bit before feeding them again, but start out weak for a bit so they can recover; if you slam them with nutrients again after flushing they will go back considering there roots are burned and needs time to recover and they will grow slow a bit.....
I would start out using around 200 ppms for now since they are burned; back down on the nutrients......
Yes, flush them out with some tap to clean out the perlite vermiculite mixture... wait.... what mixture are you using? I thought you said vermiculite and perlite mix..... what mixture are these plants in? and wait a bit before feeding them again, but start out weak for a bit so they can recover; if you slam them with nutrients again after flushing they will go back considering there roots are burned and needs time to recover and they will grow slow a bit.....
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GrandmaFresh
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These girls are in the 50/50 Verm/Perl
It's okay to flush with tap water? Warm or cold? Do I let em just kinda hang out for an evening after the flush? Should I apply some pH'ed plain water after the flush or nothing at all?
It's okay to flush with tap water? Warm or cold? Do I let em just kinda hang out for an evening after the flush? Should I apply some pH'ed plain water after the flush or nothing at all?
flush with cold water, not warm. Apply pH adjusted water right before your final flush.
And wait till they recover a bit, about 4 days max before feeding them again.
And wait till they recover a bit, about 4 days max before feeding them again.
GrandmaFresh
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The poop continues...
The poop continues...
Well I flushed em with tapwater, gave em a dose of PH6 water, and I've been keeping the mix wet with the same water, no food. Here's what they look like now:
They're all droopy looking, the ends of some leaves are crunchy, they all look pretty crappy.
Any ideas?
The poop continues...
Well I flushed em with tapwater, gave em a dose of PH6 water, and I've been keeping the mix wet with the same water, no food. Here's what they look like now:
They're all droopy looking, the ends of some leaves are crunchy, they all look pretty crappy.
Any ideas?
Why are you not feeding them? You have to use some kind of food, it's been more than a week now; they need fed; they need magnesium and nitrogen... get them some food; you still using fish poop or using the grow?
You test the water after nutrient is added? I know you are feeding plain water, but after you add nutrients you need to test it to make sure the pH has not dropped more.
You test the water after nutrient is added? I know you are feeding plain water, but after you add nutrients you need to test it to make sure the pH has not dropped more.
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Snip of all dead growth... Be sure not to overwater them.
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I'm not using fish poop at all... and by God you're right it has been almost a week! Next thing ya know I'll be out on the porch flashing my bush to the mailman.
Just call me senile.
The... perlite is the miracle grow la-de-da... I guess I'll have to load em with a bit of floranova.
Just call me senile.
The... perlite is the miracle grow la-de-da... I guess I'll have to load em with a bit of floranova.
whoa wait, the perlite already has added nutrients in it, the timed release crap; did you make sure you flushed them really good?
Do not use there brand anymore; they add nutrients to it and since your using soiless medium that is going to be too much released with the amount of perlite you have in there......
so I woulda put the whole bag in a strainer and watered to my hearts content lol.
Do not use there brand anymore; they add nutrients to it and since your using soiless medium that is going to be too much released with the amount of perlite you have in there......
so I woulda put the whole bag in a strainer and watered to my hearts content lol.
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Well I put 1.5oz of water in each plant with floranova grow... 200ppm.
I guess I shouldn't have?
I guess I shouldn't have?
those seedlings should have like 50 -100 ppms and the others I would have around 150 ppms, don't water them with all the same ppms, you got different size plants, remember it's the size of the plant and how many leaves it has to determine how much you can feed them.
Are you using RO water?
Are you using RO water?
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No, I have filter pitcher water... 50ppm.
And all of the smaller plants have already lost their seed leaves. The only plant that still has it's seed leaves is the one Arjan I was actually able to keep alive and it's three inches tall and it's seed leaves actually got larger.
And all of the smaller plants have already lost their seed leaves. The only plant that still has it's seed leaves is the one Arjan I was actually able to keep alive and it's three inches tall and it's seed leaves actually got larger.
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Ok, since your ppms is 50, add 50 to your mixture, so make sure the ppms are 100 like I said but it should be 150 including the ppms with the water.....
The seed leaves are you talking about it's first sets of leaves? If so there toast and you can't do anything about it.
If you are talking about the cotyledons, then the plant used up all stored nutrients in there, or the burn caused them to die off.
The seed leaves are you talking about it's first sets of leaves? If so there toast and you can't do anything about it.
If you are talking about the cotyledons, then the plant used up all stored nutrients in there, or the burn caused them to die off.
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This is much harder than I remember
This is much harder than I remember
No matter what I feed them, they're still dying from the bottom up.
Does this looking like vinyl 'gassing-off' because I have a vinyl wardrobe next to my girls. Could this be tobacco mosaic?
My floranova grow is over a year old too... I think... would that matter? I have some floralicious grow... should I add a pinch of that to the floranova? I have epsom salt, chi, wilt pruf, dark energy, superthrive... would any of that help?
Because so far, no matter how much or how little I feed them, it stays the same... they look decent at the top, poopy at the bottom.
Take a look:
This is much harder than I remember
No matter what I feed them, they're still dying from the bottom up.
Does this looking like vinyl 'gassing-off' because I have a vinyl wardrobe next to my girls. Could this be tobacco mosaic?
My floranova grow is over a year old too... I think... would that matter? I have some floralicious grow... should I add a pinch of that to the floranova? I have epsom salt, chi, wilt pruf, dark energy, superthrive... would any of that help?
Because so far, no matter how much or how little I feed them, it stays the same... they look decent at the top, poopy at the bottom.
Take a look:
Hey grandma; when you have them in a vermiculite/perlite mixture like that it's very hard to keep them perfect.... the first pic ya showed was left over burn you had on them; the rest show some form of a magnesium issue; but as long as it won't spread you have stopped it. The affected leaves won't recover when they are in the middle stages of it.
I would get some new nutrients, because nutrients do go bad after a while.
This problem is not caused by anything, but the grower. Unless you have a hydrohut built right next to it...... then I would think about moving the grow or removing the hut from the area; because people have said when they remove them from the hut they get better; some even had them a few feet away from the hut and they got better so I don't think this is caused by any gassing.
Do not add any superthrive or dark energy; it's designed to work in soil only and using it in that mixture it will burn them for sure. Why don't you grow in peat moss mixture like pro mix or something? What made you choose the perlite/vermiculite..... let me tell ya.... it will be a whole different world for you and your plants if you choose some other medium......
I would get some new nutrients, because nutrients do go bad after a while.
This problem is not caused by anything, but the grower. Unless you have a hydrohut built right next to it...... then I would think about moving the grow or removing the hut from the area; because people have said when they remove them from the hut they get better; some even had them a few feet away from the hut and they got better so I don't think this is caused by any gassing.
Do not add any superthrive or dark energy; it's designed to work in soil only and using it in that mixture it will burn them for sure. Why don't you grow in peat moss mixture like pro mix or something? What made you choose the perlite/vermiculite..... let me tell ya.... it will be a whole different world for you and your plants if you choose some other medium......
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I'm using the same thing I used previously. But I had the three part nutrients from GH. And to one gallon I used one ml of grow, micro and bloom, a drop of DE and a drop of superthrive. I had two foot tall plants in cups that were similar to the ones I'm using now. I would squash the bottom of the cup to shift the medium around to make cuts in the roots to keep them from becoming rootbound.
And it worked like butter. My nutes were dated when I used them that time as well.
How do I go about getting a second opinion?
And it worked like butter. My nutes were dated when I used them that time as well.
How do I go about getting a second opinion?
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Were you growing the same strain as you were now? Like did you grow the same strain now as you did with your previous?
Well you can ask around here; the people to ask is Core, heady petey and some others who help out around here..... Grow Doc helps out; but I have not seen him around here.
I am just giving you my advice on what the plants are doing; I have been helping out others for a very long time now.... and I Have been around; what works for others may not work for you.
I will say this superthrive and dark energy should never be used on seedlings; anyone will tell you that one; because it loads them up with things they don't need and a lot of times will stunt them; you just don't know what it will do; some are affected by ut and some are not; so if you don't know what it will do; I would not use it on seedlings; otherwise I would end up giving advice to someone that I won't know what it would do and could possibly do damage to the plant.
when you add the 3 part do you add the micro's first like it is supposed to be mixed?
Also have you checked the PPM's your mixture is after you mix all 3?
See that is a lot of nutrients to use on a plant that size; anyone will tell you that too...... so like I said I keep the advice I have given all along; you burned them causing them to become stunted.
I know for a fact core and petey will tell you the same thing too.
Well you can ask around here; the people to ask is Core, heady petey and some others who help out around here..... Grow Doc helps out; but I have not seen him around here.
I am just giving you my advice on what the plants are doing; I have been helping out others for a very long time now.... and I Have been around; what works for others may not work for you.
I will say this superthrive and dark energy should never be used on seedlings; anyone will tell you that one; because it loads them up with things they don't need and a lot of times will stunt them; you just don't know what it will do; some are affected by ut and some are not; so if you don't know what it will do; I would not use it on seedlings; otherwise I would end up giving advice to someone that I won't know what it would do and could possibly do damage to the plant.
when you add the 3 part do you add the micro's first like it is supposed to be mixed?
Also have you checked the PPM's your mixture is after you mix all 3?
See that is a lot of nutrients to use on a plant that size; anyone will tell you that too...... so like I said I keep the advice I have given all along; you burned them causing them to become stunted.
I know for a fact core and petey will tell you the same thing too.
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Were you growing the same strain as you were now? Like did you grow the same strain now as you did with your previous? I was growing NLxBB and Hindu Kush, I'm now growing SourBubble BX3, Tribalvision, Kalichakra, Casey Jones and Johnny Blaze
Well you can ask around here; the people to ask is Core, heady petey and some others who help out around here..... Grow Doc helps out; but I have not seen him around here.
I am just giving you my advice on what the plants are doing; I have been helping out others for a very long time now.... and I Have been around; what works for others may not work for you. I definitely won't argue that.
I will say this superthrive and dark energy should never be used on seedlings; anyone will tell you that one; because it loads them up with things they don't need and a lot of times will stunt them; you just don't know what it will do; some are affected by ut and some are not; so if you don't know what it will do; I would not use it on seedlings; otherwise I would end up giving advice to someone that I won't know what it would do and could possibly do damage to the plant. Worked wonders for me before, but I haven't continued to use them since the first feeding. Which was followed by a flush. And made no difference while I was using, and stopped using them.
when you add the 3 part do you add the micro's first like it is supposed to be mixed? Since I don't have those nutrients anymore... I'm not sure I understand how that matters...?
Also have you checked the PPM's your mixture is after you mix all 3? They were much higher than 400ppm... years ago... when I used that mix... which I don't currently use as my thread indicates repeatedly...
See that is a lot of nutrients to use on a plant that size; anyone will tell you that too...... so like I said I keep the advice I have given all along; you burned them causing them to become stunted. The advise you've given me so far. What is a lot of nutrients? Did I miss something?
I know for a fact core and petey will tell you the same thing too. They'll ask me about the nutes I used years ago and tell me they're too strong for the two foot tall plants I had growing way back then?
And most of that decay, is new... it's not anything finishing up a cycle... I cut most of the old decay off. I have two plants that still have their sun leaves (seed leaves) and they're showing the same decay and they're weeks old.
I guess what I'm looking for is that legendary 'oh that happened to me!' My plants are between four and six weeks old, I'm feeding them 400ppm and they look like hell. I did 200ppm, they looked like hell. Which is why I'm wondering if it's vinyl gassing-off. I read that some of the gasses in new vinyl can make plants show a P or a K deficiency. Or maybe the tobacco mosaic virus, which these girls can catch.
Let me also mention that I have little white spots on the leaves on some of the plants, they are stationary and there is nothing under the leaves. I used a jeweler's loupe and they still look like tiny little dots, could this be perlite dust or something else?
Can somebody PLEASE read my thread, see how they have progressed and advise me what to do?
Well you can ask around here; the people to ask is Core, heady petey and some others who help out around here..... Grow Doc helps out; but I have not seen him around here.
I am just giving you my advice on what the plants are doing; I have been helping out others for a very long time now.... and I Have been around; what works for others may not work for you. I definitely won't argue that.
I will say this superthrive and dark energy should never be used on seedlings; anyone will tell you that one; because it loads them up with things they don't need and a lot of times will stunt them; you just don't know what it will do; some are affected by ut and some are not; so if you don't know what it will do; I would not use it on seedlings; otherwise I would end up giving advice to someone that I won't know what it would do and could possibly do damage to the plant. Worked wonders for me before, but I haven't continued to use them since the first feeding. Which was followed by a flush. And made no difference while I was using, and stopped using them.
when you add the 3 part do you add the micro's first like it is supposed to be mixed? Since I don't have those nutrients anymore... I'm not sure I understand how that matters...?
Also have you checked the PPM's your mixture is after you mix all 3? They were much higher than 400ppm... years ago... when I used that mix... which I don't currently use as my thread indicates repeatedly...
See that is a lot of nutrients to use on a plant that size; anyone will tell you that too...... so like I said I keep the advice I have given all along; you burned them causing them to become stunted. The advise you've given me so far. What is a lot of nutrients? Did I miss something?
I know for a fact core and petey will tell you the same thing too. They'll ask me about the nutes I used years ago and tell me they're too strong for the two foot tall plants I had growing way back then?
And most of that decay, is new... it's not anything finishing up a cycle... I cut most of the old decay off. I have two plants that still have their sun leaves (seed leaves) and they're showing the same decay and they're weeks old.
I guess what I'm looking for is that legendary 'oh that happened to me!' My plants are between four and six weeks old, I'm feeding them 400ppm and they look like hell. I did 200ppm, they looked like hell. Which is why I'm wondering if it's vinyl gassing-off. I read that some of the gasses in new vinyl can make plants show a P or a K deficiency. Or maybe the tobacco mosaic virus, which these girls can catch.
Let me also mention that I have little white spots on the leaves on some of the plants, they are stationary and there is nothing under the leaves. I used a jeweler's loupe and they still look like tiny little dots, could this be perlite dust or something else?
Can somebody PLEASE read my thread, see how they have progressed and advise me what to do?
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You are growing out different strains now than you were before; this is a huge difference.... all strains are different in terms of care, pH ranges and nutrients they can handle. Some can have more some can't and burn easy; there are strains that are more mold resistant and some that are easily affected by mold... same goes for lighting and such too.
Yup, they will tell you the same thing that the nutrients you are using ( the amount, and the many kinds you are using are too hot)
a lot of nutrients I was reering too is with the GH3 part with the dark energy and superthrive together; the 3 part would be fine to use, but with the other additives it's overboard.
Were you using superthrive or dark energy when you were feeding them 200 and 400 ppms?
Ya, that is most likley vermiculite or perlite stuff. plants that small you would see mites....
Yup, they will tell you the same thing that the nutrients you are using ( the amount, and the many kinds you are using are too hot)
a lot of nutrients I was reering too is with the GH3 part with the dark energy and superthrive together; the 3 part would be fine to use, but with the other additives it's overboard.
Were you using superthrive or dark energy when you were feeding them 200 and 400 ppms?
Ya, that is most likley vermiculite or perlite stuff. plants that small you would see mites....
