GrandmaFresh
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I give up.
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Root rot, bum seedlings and the bubonic plague.
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Hey now; we don't ever hear the word give up around here! You are doing something wrong; like I said; please use a seed starter mixture or something at least; the strains you are growing now do not like the way they are being grown.... not all marijuana plants can be growing in the mixture you are using.....
GrandmaFresh
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I'm a bit beyond seedlings... I just didn't make a new thread for small plants and such and such.
What strains can't be grown in a soilless medium? Pertaining to mine, that is.
With a soilless mixture, there's less of a chance of contamination, they're practically impossible to overwater since there are holes in the bottom of the cups.
I'm going to move them out of the room they are in and into another room. Because quite frankly, I think the only thing I'm doing wrong is keeping them in a closet of a room that gets smoked in, and keeping them in a closet with a vinyl wardrobe.
They have proper pH, the run off has proper pH, there are no insane PPMs. And I have plants that are showing P, K and iron deficiencies as well as yellowing on the bottom leaves all at the same time. And when I raise the PPM the tips of leaves curl down the entire length of the plants like nutrient burn. The media is clean and mold free.
What does that leave... my nutrients are over a year old... but I've used old GH nutes before and had great results. They're under 80W of floros. They do get air circulation.
The only thing left... tobacco mosaic or vinyl offgassing. Do a search for offgassing on your google, it'll blow your mind. Everybody should already know what tobacco mosaic is.
What strains can't be grown in a soilless medium? Pertaining to mine, that is.
With a soilless mixture, there's less of a chance of contamination, they're practically impossible to overwater since there are holes in the bottom of the cups.
I'm going to move them out of the room they are in and into another room. Because quite frankly, I think the only thing I'm doing wrong is keeping them in a closet of a room that gets smoked in, and keeping them in a closet with a vinyl wardrobe.
They have proper pH, the run off has proper pH, there are no insane PPMs. And I have plants that are showing P, K and iron deficiencies as well as yellowing on the bottom leaves all at the same time. And when I raise the PPM the tips of leaves curl down the entire length of the plants like nutrient burn. The media is clean and mold free.
What does that leave... my nutrients are over a year old... but I've used old GH nutes before and had great results. They're under 80W of floros. They do get air circulation.
The only thing left... tobacco mosaic or vinyl offgassing. Do a search for offgassing on your google, it'll blow your mind. Everybody should already know what tobacco mosaic is.
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I have seen many do this in soiless mixtures; I don't know the strains, but I do know there are many that can't grow like this.
Can I ask you something; why are you so set on using this mixture? You have never answered this question.
trust me, your plants don't have tobacco mosaic; that happens to older plants. It also happens from when plants get injured and it sneaks in where the plant gets injured at. I have seen plants with this and your plants do not have it.
You need a lot of air flow for your plants; if they are not getting good air flow and fresh air; they need to be removed and the grow elsewhere.
I would get a seed starter mixture put them in there and I bet you anything they flourish as long as you don't feed them and over water them.
It's up to you what route you want to take, I am just here to try to answer your questions and point you in the right directions so you can grow some good herb
If you want to stay soiless; then get some promix and use that its peat moss and some lime; nothing different with yours it's still soiless; but the peat moss holds in food a bit better than the perlite vermiculite mixture you have.
Can I ask you something; why are you so set on using this mixture? You have never answered this question.
trust me, your plants don't have tobacco mosaic; that happens to older plants. It also happens from when plants get injured and it sneaks in where the plant gets injured at. I have seen plants with this and your plants do not have it.
You need a lot of air flow for your plants; if they are not getting good air flow and fresh air; they need to be removed and the grow elsewhere.
I would get a seed starter mixture put them in there and I bet you anything they flourish as long as you don't feed them and over water them.
It's up to you what route you want to take, I am just here to try to answer your questions and point you in the right directions so you can grow some good herb
If you want to stay soiless; then get some promix and use that its peat moss and some lime; nothing different with yours it's still soiless; but the peat moss holds in food a bit better than the perlite vermiculite mixture you have.
asa42
Anime n Stoner Aficionado
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been stayin outta this cause stitch is, as usual, right on imo.
glancing at your pics (from 12/27/07) i'd have called em seedlings too... but that's just nit-picking (sp?).
any plant can be grown soilless but not all growers can make plants happy soilless... & some cant grow in soil...
being an apprentace (sp?) to one that firmly believes in one fert imo ya are using many nutes.
& while i've not searched the diseases ya mention it's been my experience it is generally something more simple.
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been stayin outta this cause stitch is, as usual, right on imo.
glancing at your pics (from 12/27/07) i'd have called em seedlings too... but that's just nit-picking (sp?).
any plant can be grown soilless but not all growers can make plants happy soilless... & some cant grow in soil...
being an apprentace (sp?) to one that firmly believes in one fert imo ya are using many nutes.
& while i've not searched the diseases ya mention it's been my experience it is generally something more simple.
asa42
Anime n Stoner Aficionado
i also agree w/ others... dont give up. give em a chance to grow. they look like the troopers herb plants are.
BTW just caught where stitch said not all strains like all mediums... & that rings more true than my tryin to be cute saying in my previous post. or at least maybe the reason behind why that seems so.
gl!
asa
BTW just caught where stitch said not all strains like all mediums... & that rings more true than my tryin to be cute saying in my previous post. or at least maybe the reason behind why that seems so.
gl!
asa
GrandmaFresh
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I explained why I'm soilless in my last post but no worries...
Nobody knows which strains I have that can't be grown in a soilless mix... and I don't know about that being true whatsoever. I had a cutting grow roots while sitting in the bottom of a toilet for awhile and that seems pretty far fetched to me...
I'm being told superthrive and DE are this and that and I've used them before with great results in the same exact medium.
I get the feeling, from the last two posts and from some PM's that I've received that giving advice to people that goes against Stitch's advice is a big no-no like it's some sort of political thing here.
So on that note... since what I've received here is nothing new and readily available in dozens of places on the web...
Love, peace and chicken grease.
- Grandma
P.S.: Granny doesn't give up the grow, Granny gives up looking for help.
Nobody knows which strains I have that can't be grown in a soilless mix... and I don't know about that being true whatsoever. I had a cutting grow roots while sitting in the bottom of a toilet for awhile and that seems pretty far fetched to me...
I'm being told superthrive and DE are this and that and I've used them before with great results in the same exact medium.
I get the feeling, from the last two posts and from some PM's that I've received that giving advice to people that goes against Stitch's advice is a big no-no like it's some sort of political thing here.
So on that note... since what I've received here is nothing new and readily available in dozens of places on the web...
Love, peace and chicken grease.
- Grandma
P.S.: Granny doesn't give up the grow, Granny gives up looking for help.
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GrandmaFresh said:
Ok, first thing's first. Since ya don't like who is helping you, I will tell you where you can get more help from.
You can go to planetganja.com
Grasscity.com
there are others, but those are the only ones I know about; go post there and see if you can find the answers YOU want to find.
I know you think we are telling you wrong, but I am going by what the plant is telling me. You are trying to seek an answer to your problem that you think is the problem and that is not what it is and it seems you are being a little stubborn about it; not that I care if you take my advice or not; I am just here to give my 2 cents; you take advice on who you want to take, but if you would not take my advice, kindly let me know so I won't post here anymore; thats all. Another thing, no one everyone knows your strains; BUT again I am telling you by what the plants are doing; just cause you had one clone grow from a toliet does not mean they all will grow like that; there are many strains that root very easy others don't, some can grow in a bubble cloner and some can't.
One other thing; this will be my last post in this thread; I am a little pissed off about a few things, the main like is that people think they can't disagree with me; that really pisses me off people feel that way and that is so not true; so far from it being true that we have a better chance winning the Iraq war.
Another thing, I am a little peeved as if you were not liking the advice I was giving, why the hell were you asking me questions and then keep asking me more and more and then still not lking the answer you got? That right there is total BS and that is what makes me mad is people who waste my time.
And the other thing.....
I am extremley disappointed in anyone who thinks that if they go against my advice or tries to tell me I am wrong , that there will be a fight. If who ever sent you that PM and said something, if they are so smart, why have they not chimed in on the matter? Very funny they have not, and I bet one of those PM's is from black velvet, who is a undercover police officer too, just to let ya know!
I find it whoever if anyone has said this to be scared, and I don't want people to fear me, if someone disagrees with me, fine talk to me; I will talk to you like a normal human being discussing something; never do I tell anyone bullshit or flame them for going against me, EVER NOT ONCE.
I for one never bully anyone into making them think I am right, I tell everyone and everyone I am not right 100% of the time, never do I push my knowledge on people saying I am right and they are wrong, if someone does not agree with me, fine; I don't get pissed off; I just kindly ask them why they don't agree with me, unless they want to be an asshole and push me, then I push right back.
Anyone who says not to go against me to just agree with me, If I find out this is true; I will be very very pissed off, or is this just your assumption grandma; that if anyone goes against me it's a fight? I don't want people to fear me or something or look at me like I am a commy.
I tell everyone, and everyone who knows me knows that I never flame anyone for disagreeing with me; I always very religiously say there is no ONE way to grow a plant.
I go by what the plant tells me, plants don't lie; they show what they like and what they don't like.
So I don't know if your assuming that if people go against me there will be a fight or not.
If not I would like to freaking know who feels that way about me and why the **** they feel that way, because if they do feel that way; they have a real problem and sounds like they have egos or just jealous. Like I said I don't know everything about the plant; I may know a lot, but no one not one person on this earth but god himself know everything about cannabis.
You can't win them all, you can't have everyone on your side; there will always be someone that dislikes someone for something they either have, or know; I have been very friendly and very courteous with all kinds of people; once in awhile I may get hot under the collar about something or lose my patience, but anyone tends to do this from time to time. So anyone out there, I don't care who the hell you are; if oyu have a problem, take it up with me; don't go around talking about someone behind there backs; because if you got something to say. SAy it to them; don't say something to someone else and have them learn about what someone has said later from someone else; when you do this, that person is not a man, but rather a shadow hiding behind someone who is afraid to show there faces; and it's people like that who make what this country is today, people who don't stick up for themselves get shit on.
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GrandmaFresh
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My goodness gracious somebody has a sharp tongue. Let me go through this and I think you'll notice what I'm talking about...
See the problem is... you're here to give your two cents... and it seems like once people see a post from you, nobody else wants to touch it. And after your last post I can see why.
For example, how you began to ask me how I mixed my three part nutes when I made a mention that I used three part nutes years ago. And asked even though I also mentioned that I'm using Floranova at least two times here.
Half the time I read your posts I'm in complete awe and I'm sitting here asking myself 'did Stitch actually read the thread?'
I simply cannot imagine why people would ever think that they can't disagree with you.
I have rheumatoid arthritis throughout my entire body, I needed help but I realize I won't find it here. Appreciate how long this took to type and use this to make a New Year's resolution.
Jesus.
- Grandma
See the problem is... you're here to give your two cents... and it seems like once people see a post from you, nobody else wants to touch it. And after your last post I can see why.
It's not a WE that I think is wrong... is not an anybody that I think is wrong. What I think is wrong is to offer support to people in a portion of a forum and feel it mandatory to post while at the same time not bothering to read the entire thread.
For example, how you began to ask me how I mixed my three part nutes when I made a mention that I used three part nutes years ago. And asked even though I also mentioned that I'm using Floranova at least two times here.
Half the time I read your posts I'm in complete awe and I'm sitting here asking myself 'did Stitch actually read the thread?'
Which is why I asked twice in my thread... you don't know, but since you posted everybody else either says Stitch is right or sends me a PM and I can't reply to those.
I took your advice up to the point where it seemed clear to me you reading the last post, but not really paying attention to it's content. Like people who only listen because they're waiting for their turn to speak.
I didn't agree with you and I got read the riot act... I can see why people say there's some politics in the jungle here.
First and foremost, I did follow your advice, up to the point when I realized that you're just streaming down through these threads and belting out whatever comes to mind based on the last post in the thread. I did actually think that you would have got the hint when I made mention of a second opinion.
I simply cannot imagine why people would ever think that they can't disagree with you.
Yeah...
Probably because they didn't need a post like this one.
That's some information I can use. But to relieve your curiosity, no black velvet but is it customary to leave undercover police run around in these forums with their own personal accounts?
If this is your definition of a discussion... I'd hate to see the flaming.
No you don't get pissed off at all.... do you see a pattern forming here? Why do people not throw their input in? Because they get the shit stomped out of them by a Disney character with a double standard. Yes that was a little harsh, but you question why I kept asking you questions... it wouldn't have mattered you would have still replied if the owner of the thread was asking questions to the community. There was nothing to reply to from my last post but here we are.
I have rheumatoid arthritis throughout my entire body, I needed help but I realize I won't find it here. Appreciate how long this took to type and use this to make a New Year's resolution.
Jesus.
- Grandma
You gave conflicting information the whole thread;
I asked if you mixed them and GH 2 part is grow, bloom and micro, when I asked that I know you were not using them now; I was just trying to give you a tip.
Wth, after my last post you see why? I was letting everyone know that they can disagree with me if they like, and if you check my posts I always tell people to post the more people who post in threads I post the better.
I am angry, because assumption is the mother of all **** ups.
You are assuming people do not want to post here because I posting; this is not true by far, I will tell you why; people only post when they want to disagree with someone or just put in there 2 cents. Someone already agreed with me with the information I have given you; so if you want; post somewhere else in the hydro fourm and see what answers you get. If someone disagreed with me, don't you think they would have posted by now? This thread has gotten 901 views! And only a small people have posted; so either they also agree with me, or the people who have been looking do not know what is wrong with your plants.
I have read the entire thread; I have read it many times; just some things you pointed out was from previous grows which confused me, and when I was giving you advice sometimes it was answers to your questions about previous grows and such!
I was discussing it; I was being blunt and being nice about it; I was putting forth about how serious I am about that matter.
WHy don't you read my posts and see what kind of a person I am to people; you will see.
I ask many questions about ones grow to try to find out why the problem is being caused.
If I did not care about weather or not you got healthy plants I would not be here and I would care less; but I posted, because you were not getting the answers you seeked and I took out MY time to try to help you out; see you got mad for having to type a post up on your time; how would you feel if that happed day after day? You would not like it, I have been helping people out for a long long time now, years and years.....
You only listened to half the advice I gave you, not all of it; the only thing you did was flush them out and after that you did not listen to me.
I kept trying to tell you what to do next and you keep complaing your plants are not growing, I told you why this is and you ignore it.
So I will not post in here since you don't want me to; I only posted to answer some things to get a few things straight forward as to why my actions the way they were.
Good Luck with getting your problem fixed.
PS
Like I said, because you used superthrive and DE before, does not mean they will work every grow unless you are growing the exact strain grow after grow, you have different strains now and each are showing a different problem, I told you every strain is different and you did not listen to what I told you, all you said is " I give up" so for someone who wants there problem fixed, sounds like to me you want a handout and a quick fix without really listening; so yes I did listen to you and re read your thread; you confused me and I took my time out and you did not follow the advice I gave you; otherwise you would have not said I give up, a person who gives up does not want to go through the problem of fixing things, but yet sometimes looks for people to fix there problem, you want an easy way to fix your problem and it sounds like to me you don't want to put much work towards the grow, if this is true then you will have a hard time with every grow; you going to give up everytime you have a problem with your grow? If so, I feel very bad for you; because your already having problems with seedlings.... what do you think is going to happen when they get bigger if they make it that far??
I am not trying to be mean, I am not a mean person; but rather a blunt person; I am not trying to jump all over you or give you thr 3rd degree; but rather trying to explain to you that you can't always have a quick fix in growing.
You were worried about contamination for using soil for your plants, any mixture can get contaminated; bugs can live in soiles mixtures just as they do in soil. ANother reason why I say you want a quick fix and not put forth effort into your grow; you said you can't overwater or do other things to them; you just want to set it and forget it; you can't do that in growing; I know you have a medical condition and it may be hard for you; but the attitude you have towards growing and wanting to give up is your fault and no one can fix that but you; so when you change your mind about a few things, first and foremost, stop being so stubborn about a few things and not trying to give up so easily you can fix any problem you come across; also if you do some reading; go to google and type in growfaq and click on the first link it gives you; you will read in there; they were the overgrow growfaq; it will explain to you about superthrive and dark energy does and you will also find in there how very different strains can be and like I said what works for you may not work for everyone.
So I honestly wish you the best of luck if you continue to grow.
I asked if you mixed them and GH 2 part is grow, bloom and micro, when I asked that I know you were not using them now; I was just trying to give you a tip.
Wth, after my last post you see why? I was letting everyone know that they can disagree with me if they like, and if you check my posts I always tell people to post the more people who post in threads I post the better.
I am angry, because assumption is the mother of all **** ups.
You are assuming people do not want to post here because I posting; this is not true by far, I will tell you why; people only post when they want to disagree with someone or just put in there 2 cents. Someone already agreed with me with the information I have given you; so if you want; post somewhere else in the hydro fourm and see what answers you get. If someone disagreed with me, don't you think they would have posted by now? This thread has gotten 901 views! And only a small people have posted; so either they also agree with me, or the people who have been looking do not know what is wrong with your plants.
I have read the entire thread; I have read it many times; just some things you pointed out was from previous grows which confused me, and when I was giving you advice sometimes it was answers to your questions about previous grows and such!
I was discussing it; I was being blunt and being nice about it; I was putting forth about how serious I am about that matter.
WHy don't you read my posts and see what kind of a person I am to people; you will see.
I ask many questions about ones grow to try to find out why the problem is being caused.
If I did not care about weather or not you got healthy plants I would not be here and I would care less; but I posted, because you were not getting the answers you seeked and I took out MY time to try to help you out; see you got mad for having to type a post up on your time; how would you feel if that happed day after day? You would not like it, I have been helping people out for a long long time now, years and years.....
You only listened to half the advice I gave you, not all of it; the only thing you did was flush them out and after that you did not listen to me.
I kept trying to tell you what to do next and you keep complaing your plants are not growing, I told you why this is and you ignore it.
So I will not post in here since you don't want me to; I only posted to answer some things to get a few things straight forward as to why my actions the way they were.
Good Luck with getting your problem fixed.
PS
Like I said, because you used superthrive and DE before, does not mean they will work every grow unless you are growing the exact strain grow after grow, you have different strains now and each are showing a different problem, I told you every strain is different and you did not listen to what I told you, all you said is " I give up" so for someone who wants there problem fixed, sounds like to me you want a handout and a quick fix without really listening; so yes I did listen to you and re read your thread; you confused me and I took my time out and you did not follow the advice I gave you; otherwise you would have not said I give up, a person who gives up does not want to go through the problem of fixing things, but yet sometimes looks for people to fix there problem, you want an easy way to fix your problem and it sounds like to me you don't want to put much work towards the grow, if this is true then you will have a hard time with every grow; you going to give up everytime you have a problem with your grow? If so, I feel very bad for you; because your already having problems with seedlings.... what do you think is going to happen when they get bigger if they make it that far??
I am not trying to be mean, I am not a mean person; but rather a blunt person; I am not trying to jump all over you or give you thr 3rd degree; but rather trying to explain to you that you can't always have a quick fix in growing.
You were worried about contamination for using soil for your plants, any mixture can get contaminated; bugs can live in soiles mixtures just as they do in soil. ANother reason why I say you want a quick fix and not put forth effort into your grow; you said you can't overwater or do other things to them; you just want to set it and forget it; you can't do that in growing; I know you have a medical condition and it may be hard for you; but the attitude you have towards growing and wanting to give up is your fault and no one can fix that but you; so when you change your mind about a few things, first and foremost, stop being so stubborn about a few things and not trying to give up so easily you can fix any problem you come across; also if you do some reading; go to google and type in growfaq and click on the first link it gives you; you will read in there; they were the overgrow growfaq; it will explain to you about superthrive and dark energy does and you will also find in there how very different strains can be and like I said what works for you may not work for everyone.
So I honestly wish you the best of luck if you continue to grow.
The_Leader
Non-Hilocentric
stitch, imo, is being very nice considering you came and ask for advice, just to argue w/someone doing a thankless service to a bunch of ungreatful "growers". you know how i know when a diagnosis went spot on? the OP stops asking Qs because their plants are fine.
Stitch forget this... imo youre spot on. trust me. when ANYONE post BS, I get the switch out. i know stitch and i havnt seen eye to eye on many things, but we agree Every strain and grower are different....and life goes on.
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Stitch forget this... imo youre spot on. trust me. when ANYONE post BS, I get the switch out. i know stitch and i havnt seen eye to eye on many things, but we agree Every strain and grower are different....and life goes on.
you want to join
GrandmaFresh
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Now see, you two can kiss and make up. Happy New Year!!!
That's the important thing here... and if anybody noticed I stopped asking questions awhile ago... currently I'm just trying to get 50 posts so I can reply to the now 14 private messages I've received.
A quick-fix... doesn't everybody want a quick-fix? If you're on a fixed income with a bunch of borrowed things wouldn't you want a quick-fix too? By somebody paying attention to what's going on? Wouldn't you like some precision responses in YOUR OWN PERSONAL thread? (Note that these are RHETORICAL questions and don't require an answer.)
I'm not a botanist here, I don't care to get scientific.
I don't even care to point out all the times Stitch has glazed over pieces of what I've said and responded with something completely out of left field.
And I'm not assuming anything at all. Nobody posts where Stitch posts unless they want some brownie points with Stitch. I look at my personal messages and realize that it's 100% undoubtedly completely true.
I'll treat you like I treated my kids: you're right in all things and I am completely wrong. I think I'm actually growing parsley and oregano here, no wonder your expert advice failed me.
I want to thank the baker's dozen of folks that provided me with some valuable advice and have my girls taking off in a positive direction. It's a shame that a forum of this nature is like this. Don't be afraid to stand up if you feel something else is needed even if it involves a veritable online pissing contest. If its too much for you, your advice has been delivered and walking away from it is as simple as closing a window. Thank you so much.
Stitch, Leader... feel free to continue, I will not open this thread again so you two can have it, have at me, and run off to Vegas and get married by Elvis.
To rest of you, thank you very much.
Love,
Grandma
That's the important thing here... and if anybody noticed I stopped asking questions awhile ago... currently I'm just trying to get 50 posts so I can reply to the now 14 private messages I've received.
A quick-fix... doesn't everybody want a quick-fix? If you're on a fixed income with a bunch of borrowed things wouldn't you want a quick-fix too? By somebody paying attention to what's going on? Wouldn't you like some precision responses in YOUR OWN PERSONAL thread? (Note that these are RHETORICAL questions and don't require an answer.)
I'm not a botanist here, I don't care to get scientific.
I don't even care to point out all the times Stitch has glazed over pieces of what I've said and responded with something completely out of left field.
And I'm not assuming anything at all. Nobody posts where Stitch posts unless they want some brownie points with Stitch. I look at my personal messages and realize that it's 100% undoubtedly completely true.
I'll treat you like I treated my kids: you're right in all things and I am completely wrong. I think I'm actually growing parsley and oregano here, no wonder your expert advice failed me.
Second best piece of information I've received in the weeks this thread has been open... that is truly eye-opening. But I have a better one... do you know how I know when an ass is being kissed spot on? When someone makes a post that supports somebody else that is already being defensive and continues to spiral a thread off the topic at hand and turns it into a soapbox to defend the fact that this is Disneyland and if you want advice from Scooby Doo or Popeye the Sailor Man it's going to come under the table.
I want to thank the baker's dozen of folks that provided me with some valuable advice and have my girls taking off in a positive direction. It's a shame that a forum of this nature is like this. Don't be afraid to stand up if you feel something else is needed even if it involves a veritable online pissing contest. If its too much for you, your advice has been delivered and walking away from it is as simple as closing a window. Thank you so much.
Stitch, Leader... feel free to continue, I will not open this thread again so you two can have it, have at me, and run off to Vegas and get married by Elvis.
To rest of you, thank you very much.
Love,
Grandma
The_Leader
Non-Hilocentric
what a putz...lol. you want a quick fix? buy your pot.
now as for those pms...lol
after the above im sure this person has a personal thing againest stitch. period.
hey stitch...i like your boat...when did you become so important stitch?? gramma treating you like you got 15 dots...what gives grama?
The_Leader does NOT follow anyone....so please do not reply....
now as for those pms...lol
after the above im sure this person has a personal thing againest stitch. period.
hey stitch...i like your boat...when did you become so important stitch?? gramma treating you like you got 15 dots...what gives grama?
The_Leader does NOT follow anyone....so please do not reply....
