Ron Paul for President 2008!

[bartender187]

"Big goverment" is the modus operandi of ALL political parties, his "big goverment" ideas are a hell of a lot more impressive to me than the current shitstem ones. Also funny the only point you bring out is the "gun banning", you need to stop thinking about "guns" and take a look at the real issues at hand.

Guns is a central issue..... History has shown that totalitarian govts consistently initiate strict gun control laws... (mao, hitler, stalin..) While I agree that Big Govt is the modus operandi for both parties at this given moment in time.. .there are still some throw-back politicians that are true to their conservative ideals. i agree tho, we all need to look at the real issues at hand... i.e. our status as a nation builder in the international community

 

[J0sh1]

Guns is a central issue..... History has shown that totalitarian govts consistently initiate strict gun control laws... (mao, hitler, stalin..) While I agree that Big Govt is the modus operandi for both parties at this given moment in time.. .there are still some throw-back politicians that are true to their conservative ideals. i agree tho, we all need to look at the real issues at hand... i.e. our status as a nation builder in the international community

Guns..Guns..Guns... what is it with the USA and guns? Guns along with alcohol are about the worst things created by man yet they are the most beloved and defended. I understand that "its in your Constitution" but think about the time "the Constitution" was writen. Hasn't Columbine, Virginia Tech and all the other tragedies taught us a lesson by now? Guns are pathetic and to compare totalitarian goverments with the plans and ideas brought up by a HONORABLE ADMIRABLE PATRIOTIC american like Rep Kucinich just doesn't seem right, besides in a ideal situation a guy like Rep Kucinich would win we get to try 4 years of his plans and ideas and if they fail miserably next election a Republican president and house could revert it to the current shit is it right now and everyone can be happy with the disasters and their guns? It would be ideal to give a visionary like Dennis Kucinich a try but to many anal and square people in the USA to make it happen and its a damn shame cause it will be simply more of the same shit only repacked with another name.

 

[bartender187]

Ron Paul: More Guns Will Deter Shootings

By: Josh Kraushaar
April 17, 2007 03:32 PM EST

Presidential Hopeful Ron Paul
Photo by Robert A. Reeder


Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) has a simple solution to future shooting massacres such as the one that ripped apart Virginia Tech university Monday: more guns.

"People are a little more cautious if somebody might have a gun there," the GOP presidential candidate told Politico reporters Tuesday. "A concealed gun carried by a responsible person -- that might have ended the problem that they had at Virginia Tech with one person being killed or two people being killed."

Paul, 71, is the kind of lawmaker, and presidential candidate, gun control advocates love to hate at moments like this. And, based on public opinion polls and reader feedback at Politico.com, he's far from alone.

Echoing the views of many Americans, he sees calls for restriction on guns as an affront to freedom. The libertarian-minded Texan is one of the most outspoken defenders of gun rights in Congress. Since the obstetrician was first elected to Congress in 1976, he has never voted for a bill restricting gun ownership. And he said the tragedy in Blacksburg, Va., could have been prevented if the school allowed students and professors to carry concealed weapons on campus.

Paul, who ran for the Libertarian presidential nomination in 1988, is well known on Capitol Hill for his outspoken, maverick positions. He opposed authorizing federal funding to victims of Hurricane Katrina. He wants to abolish the Federal Reserve and the U.S. Department of Education. He has called for a return to the gold standard. He argues that tighter gun control laws would have no impact on gun crime.

"It's the lack of access to law-abiding citizens to have guns in many places that increases our crime rate," he said. "We just can't prevent every tragedy of a maniac. So to pretend this happened because of lack of laws would be the wrong thing to assume."

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Despite his pro-gun rhetoric, Paul also often finds himself voting with Democrats, particularly in the area of civil liberties. He was one of only three Republican lawmakers to vote against the USA Patriot Act in 2001. He expressed concern that the Virginia Tech shootings would be exploited to crack down on civil liberties.

"I know there will be a call for, 'Boy, we've got to take hold of every single gun and register the gun.' It's sort of like after 9/11, we had to worry about terrorists, but what we've done is register every American," he said. "With national ID cards, inspection and loss of our liberties, warrantless searches, we've attacked law-abiding citizens. So, no, I don't think we need more gun control for law-abiding citizens."

Paul suggested that the Sept. 11 attacks could have been avoided if the pilots on the hijacked airliners had been armed. "If terrorists knew that every pilot had a gun in the cockpit, they wouldn't have done it," he said. "They would have all been shot and wouldn't have accomplished their mission."

he Appalachian School of Law shooting occurred on January 16, 2002, at the Appalachian School of Law, an American Bar Association accredited private law school in Grundy, Virginia, United States. Three people were killed and three others were wounded when a disgruntled former student opened fire in the school with a handgun.Contents [hide]
1 The shooting
2 Students subdued the shooter
3 Trial
4 Analysis
5 References
6 External links


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The shooting

On January 16, 2002, 43-year-old Peter Odighizuwa, a Nigerian student at the Appalachian School of Law, arrived on the campus. [1] While numerous reports stated that Odighizuwa had flunked out of school or had been suspended, Jeremy Davis, former dean and professor of law at the school, later said that Odighizuwa had withdrawn voluntarily due to poor academic performance.[2]

Odighizuwa first discussed his academic problems with professor Dale Rubin, where he reportedly told Rubin to pray for him.[3] Odighizuwa then walked to the offices of Dean Anthony Sutin and Professor Thomas Blackwell, where he opened fire on them with a .380 ACP semi-automatic handgun. According to a county coroner, powder burns indicated that both victims were shot at point blank range.[4] Also killed along with the two faculty members was a student, Angela Denise Dales, age 33. Three other people were wounded.

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Students subdued the shooter

When Odighizuwa exited the building where the shooting took place, he was approached by two students with personal firearms.[5]

At the first sound of gunfire, fellow students Tracy Bridges and Mikael Gross, unbeknownst to each other, ran to their vehicles to fetch their personally-owned firearms.[6] Gross, a police officer with the Grifton Police Department in his home state of North Carolina, retrieved a 9 mm pistol and body armour.[7] Bridges, a county sheriff's deputy from Asheville, N.C.,[8] pulled his .357 Magnum pistol from beneath the driver's seat of his Chevy Tahoe. As Bridges later told the Richmond Times Dispatch, he was prepared to shoot to kill.[9]

Bridges and Gross approached Odighizuwa from different angles, with Bridges yelling at Odighizuwa to drop his gun.[10] Odighizuwa then dropped his firearm and was subdued by several other unarmed students, including Ted Besen and Todd Ross.[11]

There has been dispute about this account of events, with Besen saying that before Odighizuwa saw Bridges and Gross with their weapons, Odighizuwa set down his gun and raised his arms like he was mocking people.[12] Either way, once Odighizuwa was securely held down, Gross went back to his vehicle and retrieved handcuffs to detain Odighizuwa until police could arrive.

Police reports later noted that two empty eight round magazines designed for Odighizuwa’s handgun were recovered. Most sources (including those quoting a Virginia State Police spokesman) state that when Odighizuwa dropped the gun the magazine was empty,[13] although some initial reports suggested the gun still held three rounds of ammunition.[14]

Its not about the demo-publican vs the republic-rats.... lets get away from partisan bickering... imo globalists vs nationalists is more fitting.

We have loose gun laws here in Texas.. and believe me... we dont have that many home invasions. Not like in Europe, where daily you here about ppl knocking on old ppls doors then bustin in and ran-sacking the house.

A violent atmosphere will breed criminals (you got a dad who beats his wife, kids is anti-social, stays at home playing violent video games and watching de-synthezing movies like sawI-III... abuses their pets... in and out of jail their whole life.. what do you expect? .. the shooter in VT was a maniac.. nothing is goin to stop a maniac from aquiring WEAPONS to acomplish his crazed ideals.... BTW... there was a gun ban on VT campus,,,, didnt seem to do them much good. Also, if the gun laws in VT were enforced he wouldnt of been allowed to purchase those weapons.. so placing the blame on guns imo is naive and ill-founded. teach your kids respect for firearms... and this shit will never happen. btw, i dont own a gun, but i believe in everyoen right if they so choose to be armed... When guns are outlawed only the criminals will have laws... gun laws take guns away from law abiding citizens.... When you make a law banning guns.... criminals DONT FOLLOW THE LAWS... they would care less if they broke the law getting a gun...

nother good look at the life of Texas Representative Suzanna Hupp.

For those of you unfamiliar with Texas Rep. Suzanna Hupp, please read the following Washington Post article. You can also hear her testimony with the help of RealAudio at http://www.gunownersalliance.com/hupp-7.htm

With Respect,

Gun Owners Alliance
Chris W. Stark - Director
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59368-2000May12.html

A Daughter's Regret

Suzanna Gratia Hupp will live the rest of her life with regret. Had she been carrying her gun the day a madman executed her parents while she cowered helplessly and then fled, she is convinced she could have stopped one of the worst massacres in U.S. history.

She has told the story many times over. Tomorrow she will relate it again before advocates of gun rights in a counter-rally to the Million Mom March. Put yourself in her shoes, she asks, and then think again whether gun control is the answer.

It was October 1991 when an unemployed merchant seaman drove his pickup truck into a Luby's cafeteria in Killeen, Tex., leaped out and opened fire. He killed 23 people and wounded more than 20.

Hupp and her parents were having lunch in the restaurant when the shooting started. Hupp instinctively reached into her purse for her .38-caliber Smith & Wesson, but she had left it in the car. Her father tried to rush the gunman and was shot in the chest. As the gunman reloaded, Hupp escaped through a broken window, thinking her
mother was behind her.

But Hupp's mother had crawled alongside her dying husband of 47 years to cushion his head in her lap. Police later told Hupp they saw her mother look up at the gunman standing over her, then bow down before he shot her in the head.

"I'd like people to think about what happened to me, and try to place themselves in that situation," Hupp said yesterday between a string of interviews in which she relived the tragedy as Exhibit A in her argument against restrictive gun laws. "Now, instead of thinking of their parents, have it be their children.

"Even if you choose not to have a gun, as the bad guy who ignored all the laws is getting close to you and as he levels that firearm at one of your children, don't you hope the person next to you has chosen to carry a gun and knows how to use it?"

The story is powerful, and not only because the question assaults the brain and invites no easy answers. With its implied alternative of an armed Hupp gunning down the bad guy before he gets too far, the story invokes the American legend of the frontier lawman who acts alone to thwart evil.

Unable to don that mantle when it could have saved her parents, Hupp, now 40, has been trying ever since to rally people against gun control.

When Texas debated the issue of concealed weapons in 1995, she strolled around the table at a committee hearing molding her fingers into a gun that she aimed at state senators. The next year, she ran as a Republican and won election as a state representative, an office she still holds.

She has promoted other issues, such as water rights. But her personal story trumps all other issues. For years, the National Rifle Association paid her expenses as she traveled the country testifying in favor of gun rights. Her story always commands attention. Before the massacre at Luby's cafeteria, nothing in Hupp's background suggested that she would become so closely associated with gun rights.

She was raised in central Texas, the middle of three children. Her father, Al, owned a heavy equipment store. Her mother, Ursula, was a homemaker.

Al Gratia was a man so gentle he didn't hunt and even quit fishing because he didn't want to hurt the fish. But he owned a BB gun, and taught his children how to shoot and practice gun safety. After Hupp's brother shot and killed a dove, however, no one in the family ever used the gun again.

As a child, Hupp was a victim of careless gun use. When she was 11, she was fishing with her brother and some friends when one of the youths handed a pellet gun to another youth and it went off. Hupp has a two-inch-long scar near her right elbow where the pellet entered her skin and had to be dug out.

After getting a degree as a chiropractor in 1985, she moved to Houston. An assistant district attorney who was a patient suggested she carry a gun as self-defense in the big city.

She argued against it, partly because it was then illegal to carry a concealed weapon in Texas.

"Better to be tried by 12 than carried by six," she recalls her patient advising her. Another friend gave her a pistol as a gift and taught her how to shoot it.

She carried it in her purse. But, afraid of losing her chiropractic license if she were arrested for carrying a concealed weapon, she often kept it beneath the passenger seat of her car.

That's where it was, 150 feet from Hupp's grasp, the day George Hennard burst into Luby's. The what-ifs haunt her. Hennard stood barely 10 feet from her. He was up, she was down. She had clear aim. The upturned table would have steadied her hand. Though not a crack shot, she had hit smaller targets from farther distances.

"The point is, people like this--no, scumbags like this; I won't put them in the people category--are looking for easy targets," said Hupp. "That's why we see things occurring at schools, post offices, churches and cafeterias in states that don't allow concealed carrying."

Nothing sways her. After the 1999 shooting at Columbine High School, Hupp seemed to suggest that teachers should carry concealed weapons. She insists that what she said was something different:

"I wanted to know why the state treats teachers like second-class citizens, when plumbers and doctors are allowed to protect themselves on the job," she said. "I would be happier sending my child to a school where a teacher whom I trust is armed and well prepared."

She is equally oblique when talking about places where guns are banned. Even in Texas, which began allowing concealed weapons in 1996, guns are banned from several types of establishments, including churches, sports arenas, government offices, courts, airports and restaurants serving alcohol. Hupp refuses to say outright that she believes people should be allowed to carry guns to church. She picks her words carefully.

"We have created a shopping list for madmen," she said. "If guns are the problem, why don't we see things occurring at skeet and trap shoots, at gun shows, at NRA conventions? We only see it where guns aren't allowed. The sign of a gun with a slash through it is like a neon sign for gunmen, 'We're unarmed. Come kill us.' "

To Hupp, the right to bear arms is a family issue. Her two sons will grow up learning to defend themselves with a gun. The elder son, 4, has been taught gun safety and has fired his first shot.

"A gun can be used to kill a family, or defend a family," Hupp said. "I've lived what gun laws do. My parents died because of what gun laws do. I'm the quintessential soccer mom, and I want the right to protect my family. What happened to my parents will never happen again with my kids there."

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[HCSmyth]

Guns..Guns..Guns... what is it with the USA and guns?

Let me answer that for you. If you live in America with some modest wealth on a several acres of semi-rural land that you own outright with your guns hardly anyone would fuck with you. Or at least that is the American dream in my opinion. So I am not willing to give up liberties to a little rat like Kucinich. Remember how I said voters vote for neurotic reasons?

 

[Liam]

About the gun debate, I used to be a moderate, ban hand guns and assault but not hunting or shotguns. But now I'm against all gun control, although I'm still waffling on assault guns.

"Denying the means of self defense, denies the right of self defense"
-???

But anyhow, the fact is if Ron Paul wins, America and the world wins... I'm no fan of isolationists, and like I said, I'm pro-Iraq liberation/occupation... but America needs to survive in order to continue spreading Democracy, plus whats the point of spreading liberty to others when your losing it at home.

Anyhow, I say just talk to your friends, get them to register as Republicans and then vote for Ron Paul, thats the first step. Keep in mind if your against Republicans, making them run with a Libertarian means you deny the possibility of another 'cowboy' President.

 

[Old Man Time]

Kucinich is a pussy. plain and simple. I cannot see a pussy running this country....that goes for hillary too.

I hope to hell Fred Thompson enters the race.....there is a true conservative and a Reagan republican. meh.....hes an alright actor.
Hes the only republican IMO that even reagan democrats will vote for.

 

[Guest]

Democrats would not vote for him... at least not this time around. This country is taking a slight turn to left. A much needed turn!

With all the cowboys we have elected maybe a "pussy" would do the country some good?

 

[J0sh1]

but America needs to survive in order to continue spreading Democracy, plus whats the point of spreading liberty to others when your losing it at home.

This is the reason why there is an increasing negative view of America and everything involved with it. America should start concerning themselves more with the problems it has in its home instead of trying to appear so righteous by invading other countries in the name of "democracy". Look at the great "democracy" its spreading in Irak.

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

The Price of Delaying the Inevitable in Iraq

Ron Paul
Prisonplanet
www.prisonplanet.com
Tuesday June 5, 2007

Good intentions frequently lead to unintended bad consequences. Tough choices, doing what is right, often leads to unanticipated good results.

The growing demand by the American people for us to leave Iraq prompts the naysayers to predict disaster in the Middle East if we do. Of course, these merchants of fear are the same ones who predicted that invading and occupying Iraq would be a slam-dunk operation; that we would be welcomed as liberators, and oil revenues would pay for the operation with minimal loss of American lives.

All of this hyperbole came while ignoring the precise warnings by our intelligence community of the great difficulties that would lie ahead. The chaos that this preemptive, undeclared war has created in Iraq has allowed the Al Qaida to establish a foothold in Iraq and the strategic interests of Iran to be served.

The unintended consequences have been numerous. A well-intended but flawed policy that ignored credible warnings of how things could go awry has produced conditions that have led to a war dominated by procrastination, without victory or resolution in sight.

Those who want a total military victory, which no one has yet defined, don’t have the troops, the money, the equipment or the support of a large majority of the American people to do so.

Those in Congress who have heard the cry of the electorate to end the war refuse to do so out of fear the demagogues will challenge their patriotism and support of the troops, so nothing happens except more of the same. The result is continued stalemate with the current policy and the daily sacrifice of American lives.

This wait-and-see attitude in Washington, and the promised reassessment of events in Iraq later on, strongly motivates the insurgents to accelerate the killing of Americans in order to influence the decision coming in three months. In contrast, a clear decision to leave would prompt a wait and see attitude in Iraq, a de facto cease fire, in anticipation of our leaving, the perfect time for the Iraqi factions to hold their fire on each other and on our troops and just possibly begin talking with each other.

Most Americans do not anticipate a military victory in Iraq, yet the Washington politicians remain frozen in their unwillingness to change our policy there, fearful of the dire predictions that conditions can only get worse when we leave. They refuse to admit that the condition of foreign occupation is the key ingredient that unleashed the civil war now raging in Iraq and serves as a recruitment device for Al Qaida.

It’s time for a change in our foreign policy.


Ron Paul is the real deal

 

[cooter1]

4:20 SHOUT FOR RON PAUL

I'M CASTING MY VOTE FOR THE ONLY CANIDATE THAT UNDERSTANDS AND WILL UPHOLD THE CONSITUTION; NO OTHER CANIDATE CAN SAY THAT. THEY'RE VOTING RECORD PROVES THAT,LOL

YOU EITHER BELIEVE IN THE CONSITUTION & FREEDOM OR YOU DO NOT.

Oh yeah you have been programmed by the media citizen, wait! No, you’re a subject according to the patriot act, so your right Ron Paul doesn’t have a chance because of the lemmings and fable sheep go baaaa’ baaaa’ for goat kissing alumni candidates.

We the people love making the rich get richer and sending young men & women off to die & kill others in the name of peace baa baaa or is it more like cattle moo’ mooru’ either barnyard animal deserves better I shouldn’t even compare.

America needs to get these Herbert motherf**kers out of office, time to for change.

So I’m casting my vote for freedom Ron Paul~~~~~~~~~cuz he is so entertaining moohahaah and I like the sound of grassroots organizing its so 420