Ron Paul for President 2008!

[Liam]

First a little about myself:
-Canadian, Male, atheist (if you ain't theist you're atheist, snooty agnostics)
-Currently on probation (grow got busted, got off easy, 100hrs community service)
-Libertarian (although I'm for national health care and also for nation building)

Now I have no real way to effect Americans political views besides the internet, so its the least I can do to promote Ron Paul.

Now he is a Republican, but in reality the guy is a Libertarian and a constitutionalist. Doctor by trade, delivered over 4000 babies, 10th term Congressman, one of the six that voted against invading Iraq. He is of course against the War on Drugs but I think promoting that fact too much will scare off the bible-thumpers, so I'd rather focus on his other views.

Hes against the Federal Reserve, as any true constituionalist should be, against the IRS, against the CIA, among other things... but get this...

HES NOT A LOONEY. He is charming, articulate, and well mannered. Even though I'm glad the US liberated Iraq (Bush and Rummy fucked up the occupation though), and I think invading and bombing the shit out of Iran is what we need todo, but I still think Ron Paul is exactly what the US needs.


Heres an interview he did in a dorm room, part 1 of 4, it gives a good all round view of what he is about. Search youtube.com for other videos of his.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vjQwIcy4OTU

He already has a larger online following than McCain, and he depends on a grassroots campaign to get his message out, so lets do this, Canadians, Americans, Europeans, lets get this guy elected!

I wish he was running here in Canada!

 

[Guest]

LEO

 

[Guest]

Ron Paul although a republican is a very smart person, and he's one of the few republicans who support legalization of hemp.

I don't see him getting elected though, and for sure I bet he has less support than McCain, because America as a majority is too stupid to think for itself...would rather be spoon-fed the "celebrities" by the news than think for itself and vote for someone smart like Ron Paul. I like Nader over Paul though.

 

[Guest]

Too bad the guy dosent have a chance in hell at being elected in america! Americans dont elect people to lead who really tell the truth!

 

[treble]

I agree Ron Paul sounds like a very straight up guy. He is also very switched on and able to explain the complicated situation that threatens the future existance of the US in easy to understand language. As some people say "he's founding father material"

It is a shame that he cannot get any air time with the media control in place there. If he could then he might have a chance to wake a few people up. I haven't seen him on shows like Jon Stewart who has had everyone else who is running on cept for the main 3 players - Obama, Clinton and Guliani. If he can interview all the back markers in this presidential pack then I think Jon Paul should be on the show.

People can make a difference by internet. If you think he has a something worthwhile to share why not call or write your local radio/tv or favorite tv talk show and aks they get him on. Enough people write in they may put him on or at least talk about him

gotta think grass roots people... this guy is as grass roots as they come and he support has to come from you guys...no pun intended. If you want to hook in and volunteer I am sure you would be welcomed http://www.ronpaul.org/

in 2010 the US will cease to exist as the internal borders with mexico and canada are removed and an international border is instigated around all 3 former countries. The Amero will also become the new North American currency in 2010. Want to stop it? Time to get up stand up.

peace all
treb

 

[HCSmyth]

Too bad the guy dosent have a chance in hell at being elected in america! Americans dont elect people to lead who really tell the truth!

The problem with someone like Ron Paul with his issues many of us would agree with him on and the strait answers he would likely give with such refreshing candor does not necessarily make him a very good politician. Now many people will demonize a specific factor such as the media or a right wing conspiracy for the dysfunctional political system in America. But the simple fact of the matter is America is a large democracy with many voters with countless interests that often vote for people for neurotic reasons.

This is just the nature of democracy, my suggestion is to know the political game and do not believe the hype. Also be reasonable do not expect a large institution like American democracy to change overnight for the better. If anything we should all try to limit the exposure of government in our lives. This is not always easy as 9/11 showed us as the majority of the voter population gave the government a blank check to write the patriot act into law because of the uncertainty generated on that single day by a handful of treacherous people.

 

[Guest]

The problem with someone like Ron Paul with his issues many of us would agree with him on and the strait answers he would likely give with such refreshing candor does not necessarily make him a very good politician. Now many people will demonize a specific factor such as the media or a right wing conspiracy for the dysfunctional political system in America. But the simple fact of the matter is America is a large democracy with many voters with countless interests that often vote for people for neurotic reasons.

This is just the nature of democracy, my suggestion is to know the political game and do not believe the hype. Also be reasonable do not expect a large institution like American democracy to change overnight for the better. If anything we should all try to limit the exposure of government in our lives. This is not always easy as 9/11 showed us as the majority of the voter population gave the government a blank check to write the patriot act into law because of the uncertainty generated on that single day by a handful of treacherous people.

That is correct BUT, Maybe we dont need a "Politician" We need a leader in office. A honest human being who really cares about the country and the downward spiral we are on and is not worried about staying in office for 50 years. I know this.. there should be a ban on career politicans. You get elected into office you serve one term thats it! That goes for all elected officials. Once these assbags have been in office for a while they all sell their souls

 

[HCSmyth]

What is needed is a leader and a person who can play the political game well. And maybe, Paul can do this but it is already getting very, very late in the 2008 game for him.

 

[Guest]

Why do we need someone to play politics? Seems like that is the root of the problem?

 

[HCSmyth]

Why do we need someone to play politics? Seems like that is the root of the problem?

There are just too many splintered interest groups and too many neurotic voters. A candidate does not necessarily have to run a dirty political campaign BUT they do need to understand the political game to get the votes needed.

 

[Guest]

Your right 100% and that is why the whole government should be restructured. For one thing a candidate should not need 50 million dollars to run a campaign. Kind of keeps a lot of good people out. The whole system is so flawed I cant see us ever getting anywere with what we have now. Lobbists groups should be shut down and banned. We need to restructure the whole system in order for any REAL change to ever happen! The federal reserve should be outlawed and removed from the stage. The income tax is a crime! I can go on and on but most know this and we just keep electing puppets who mirror a little bit of what we see in ourselves and hope for the best.

 

[treble]

what you are talking about I think is a true statesman. A person who can talk over all over the self interested chatter and look at the true needs of the common good. And yes I agree that is a diffuclt pair of shoes to fill and Ron Paul may or may not be that guy. He has potential because he seems unswayed by the lobbiests who have corrupted so many other of his fellow politicians.

As to whether or not a monumental change in politics is possible, the issue of course is that it is becoming urgent that the US population take some action to stop the torrent of assaults on their constitutional rights and freedoms. If they don't they will loose them. They need to demonstrate some resistance and at least make a solid first step to push back the oppressive hand that is pushing them back into the corner.

I remember visiting a fortress on the shores of Denmark which looked out accross the 12 miles between Sweden and Denmark. The waters freeze in the winter and the raiders used to cross on horse back. All of the dungeons in this fortress were triangle in shape going to a point opposite the door. It was strange to me until they explained it.

The prisoners who ended up there were to die there, so every week or so they would place these bars accross the widest part of the triangle. These were replaced with ever shorter bars that were placed closer and closer to the futherest corner making the cell smaller and smaller. Eventually the prisoner was hard up in the corner without wriggle room where they were left to die of thirst or hunger.

Imagine if they could do that to you, not just with physical bars but what if they used pshycological means to do that to you? restricting your actions. worth thinking about as it could only be avoided by pushing back. you can only give so much ground.

peace
treb

 

[HCSmyth]

Well the federal reserve does do some really good things. For one it should continue to print hard paper currency that is counterfeit proof but untraceable. And we should strengthen banking secrecy laws and abolish the patriot act/real ID act.

And anyone that is hating on the Real ID act but uses a debit card instead of cash all the time, you are a joke and an idiot!!!

 

[Guest]

Well the federal reserve does do some really good things. For one it should continue to print hard paper currency that is counterfeit proof but untraceable. And we should strengthen banking secrecy laws and abolish the patriot act/real ID act.

And anyone that is hating on the Real ID act but uses a debit card instead of cash all the time, you are a joke and an idiot!!!

Yep! The real Id act is just one step closer to the micro chips in our bodies! I only use cash. no bank account, no credit cards. The citizens have got get backbones and not be scared to stand up. if we all did this togther instead of fighting over partial birth abortion and gay marriage and all the smoke screens set up to distract us from the rights were losing the PEOPLE could take the country back. They cant arrest everybody. Americans dont seem to have the guts to fight back... at least not yet....

 

[sackoweed]

I would never vote for Rua paul he is a transvestite.. And that is to weird.. lol..peace,,\

sack

 

[Guest]

LOL! Good way to lighten this thread up sack.

peace everybody

 

[Liam]

I think the only country that would ever elect a transvestite in my time is Thailand or India. So heres to "hoping" your wrong.

=D

 

[sackoweed]

i know its not really ru paul mang. Just like hazezT said good way to lighten things up these political threads pretty much get way over heated.. imo.. So i thought i would add some humor.. peace..

sack

 

[IdntknowMarlbro]

ron is the shit. would love to have him as pres.
buts its a two party system
im going do my best but i havent been too impressed with his campaign yet.
but really its going to take a little time and lots of effort to get ppl taking other parties as choices.

 

[Guest]

RP is a 'real' politician - a courageous statesman - I still cannot see how he got where he is.. He does have an electable name.

I would vote for him in a second, and this is something I would have never considered possible (Me voting for one of "them." 'R's')

RP has strong opinions about the economic system - and personal freedom in general... Also, he would like to bring back the 'gold-standard.' This would make our present system of outrageous credit issuance, astronomical international debt, and no-reserve banks be accountable (no pun intended)... No way the greed-machines in W DC would allow it, except under extreme duress, but at some point, an answer may be needed.

Otherwise, the $ is toast. Some say it already is, it is just being covered up by incomplete numbers, and NO data. Up to a couple years ago, the government disseminated 'M3" numbers (the total cash in circulation), but no longer is this info readily available. Or a great deal of other stats.

Inflation figures DO NOT INCLUDE food and energy.... Minor detail. DUH...

Devastating Global warming effects are at least a decade away (if we are lucky), but the undermining of the useless dollar is about to implode.....

Time to learn Mandarin, I guess.... Try very hard to get into Canada, or find that island.. You know, the one with perfect surf, privacy, 1 organic grow store, and some tasty concubine.................. lol