Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

[DiscoBiscuit]

US is at 101% GDP (on the books).

We were downgraded because of political inaction, we didn't default on payments. That's what I was attempting to specifically reference.

Nothing to see here move along.

I thought I inferred that replacement and substitute are different animals.

Hope they are smarter that FED Governor Fisher.

Not to slight Fisher but these guys don't necessarily concur on general strategy, let alone unusual tactics to mitigate global instability. Would be interesting to know whether Fisher's colleagues agree, disagree or something in between.

 

[ShroomDr]

So the subprime meltdown was just because people were "preaching" for it?

The Subprime mortgage meltdown had to do with banks giving bad loans, not Dollars as a reserve currency.

 

[SpasticGramps]

Not to slight Fisher but these guys don't necessarily concur on general strategy, let alone unusual tactics to mitigate global instability. Would be interesting to know whether Fisher's colleagues agree, disagree or something in between.

Very rarely do they disagree. There are no real hawks on the board. Fisher is by far the most hawkish of the 12. A couple of the other governors dissented and voted for more printing last meeting.

They unanimously voted for LSAP1 as the S&P continued to tank into '09. Once the liquidity was injected, or to use Fisher's analogies, once the "monetary morphine" was administered to the "patient" the S&P rallied. Smiles everywhere. Once QE1 ended the market went into free fall again. Big frowns around town. The Fed initiated LSAP2 when the S&P hit 900 in '10. The S&P rallied again. QE2 has since ended and in every FED speech Bernanke has said he ready to QE3 if needed. He keeps dangling the bag of heroin in front of the junkie.

The junkie didn't go into full blown withdrawals post QE2 because he knows he's going to eventually get the heroin. This being Fisher's source of confusion over the market's "fetish" for more printed money. What he fails to understand is while they stopped it from crashing in 09 by printing, in order to keep it from crashing they must keep printing.

The market is trying to find fair value which is far lower than the bubble they've created. They must print to keep the bubble going. This being the simple fact that none of them understood from the beginning. And now he's scratching his head wondering WTF is going on with their centrally planned stock market. His even more oblivious colleagues don't really care. They just want to print money, now. I give him props for knowing that we need to stop. It won't though.

The market is anticipating the inevitable QE3. That's why it didn't sell off after QE2. It knows QE3 is coming it just doesn't know when. In the meantime the ECB has been feeding the junkie a trillion or so in LTRO1 and LTRO2. Plus a little stealth QE3 crack through the FED dollar swap lines with insolvent European banks.

The point that Fisher does understand is that all this printing has less effect each time it's done. He believes we are at the point of diminish returns and need to stop. I believe they will keep printing until it has no effect and that will be the point that this new Fed bubble pops. Years and years maybe, but when this one pops they'll be all out of options. Fisher understands that too much morphine will kill the patient. The other doves and politicians whose re-election would be negatively effected by S&P 400 are too short sighted to notice or care.

 

[SpasticGramps]

The Subprime mortgage meltdown had to do with banks giving bad loans, not Dollars as a reserve currency.

Right. I misread your first sentence there. Didn't see "the". Obviously subprime wasn't related to USD as a reserve currency.

 

[SpasticGramps]

As far as the IMF being stupid. They are already broke and penniless from trying to fund the EFSF, forget about the ESM. And we are only at Greece! Never mind the Portugal, Ireland, Spain, and Italy dominoes.

They need a bailout so they can keep bailing everyone out. I don't think they are very smart. I'm not impressed at all.

Christine Lagarde: IMF may need billions in extra funding
Christine Lagarde has signalled that the International Monetary Fund (IMF) may have to tap its members – including Britain – for billions of pounds of extra funding to stem the European debt crisis.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I checked out Ron's coin sales page. Gots his picture right there on the coins. They're worth the base metal plus nominal novelty value. The cost of making the coin and the markup. If Ron's like Glen Beck, he's limited to how aggressively he can hawk promises of investment value.

Glen had to quit promising that the coins he helped market would be suitable investments. It wasn't long before all Glen promised was the coins would never be worth zero. That's quit a difference in marketing style.

If I wanted to buy gold, why would I spend the extra money for less gold, just because a guy decided to make coins with his image?

Ron Paul has said he'd like to be able to sell his coins free of sales tax. IMO, Ron also wants his coins to be considered as regular currency.

IMO, Ron should get out of the gold coin business or get out of the monetary policy debate. Lefty's saying the Flamingo is gonna fold so come game at the Sands (where Lefty has his options covered.)

 

[ShroomDr]

So... i doubt this will happen... but i will entertain a counter argument as i lay this down (again).


Im in a state where the polls are neck and neck Romney vs AntiRomney. Dr Paul polls ~10% in the state, with no chance of picking up delegates from my district.

I want Dr Paul to run 3rd Party, but above all else, if it comes to Romney vs Obama, i cant vote for "corporations are people too".

Two contentions.

Once anyone reaches a majority of the delegates the primary process is effectively over, and Romney is the most likely to reach a majority.


So i believe if my vote goes towards 'diffusing' the delegates (read: for Newt or Santorum) will better serve Dr Paul than a straight Paul vote. This vote will serve to prolong the primary process, something Dr Paul needs.

Now, if your in a state where Romney is a shoe in, this would not apply, id vote Dr Paul.

Anyone want to convince me im wrong? Pretty sure this would apply to Georgia, Tennessee, Ohio, Oklahoma. If the two Anti-Romneys keep winning, the primaries continue and Dr Paul marches on. You have ~12 hours to change my mind...

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Anyone know if Dr Paul is going to win Alaska or Idaho? It was either Paul Begiala or Ari Fleischer who said he had a good chance to win AK.

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[SpasticGramps]

IMO, Ron should get out of the gold coin business or get out of the monetary policy debate.

I can agree with that too. I think it cheapens his argument with his critics and while he's exercising his right to do so he should realize it gives critics unnecessary ammo.

Any investor with half a brain buys metals as close to spot as he can get. A coin or two here and there maybe for collectors sake ok. No serious investor would buy 100's of gold collector's coins thinking they were making an investment. If they are that dumb they deserve to lose the money IMO. Investors buy metal bars.

 

[SpasticGramps]

Anyone want to convince me im wrong? Pretty sure this would apply to Georgia, Tennessee, Ohio, Oklahoma. If the two Anti-Romneys keep winning, the primaries continue and Dr Paul marches on. You have ~12 hours to change my mind...

So maybe, if the day before every primary in every state until the convention you could get all the Paul supporters together, analzye the polls, and determine if voting for the anti-Romeny would prevent a majority from being reached then vote accordingly your plan might work.

But since it's just you going to vote once in one state primary one time I don't think it's going to make a difference. I much rather vote my conscience.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

So... i doubt this will happen... but i will entertain a counter argument as i lay this down (again).


Im in a state where the polls are neck and neck Romney vs AntiRomney. Dr Paul polls ~10% in the state, with no chance of picking up delegates from my district.

I want Dr Paul to run 3rd Party, but above all else, if it comes to Romney vs Obama, i cant vote for "corporations are people too".

Two contentions.

Once anyone reaches a majority of the delegates the primary process is effectively over, and Romney is the most likely to reach a majority.


So i believe if my vote goes towards 'diffusing' the delegates (read: for Newt or Santorum) will better serve Dr Paul than a straight Paul vote. This vote will serve to prolong the primary process, something Dr Paul needs.

Now, if your in a state where Romney is a shoe in, this would not apply, id vote Dr Paul.

Anyone want to convince me im wrong? Pretty sure this would apply to Georgia, Tennessee, Ohio, Oklahoma. If the two Anti-Romneys keep winning, the primaries continue and Dr Paul marches on. You have ~12 hours to change my mind...

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Anyone know if Dr Paul is going to win Alaska or Idaho? It was either Paul Begiala or Ari Fleischer who said he had a good chance to win AK.

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I see what you're saying. I didn't vote in the '08 primary because my county was 4:1 Hillary. I voted for Obama in the general (and sometimes wish Hillary was president.) Hoping she runs in 2016. Andrew Cuomo will run so she'll have another epic primary.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Ron Paul: Tornado Victims Should Not Get Federal Aid

Posted: 03/05/12 02:25 PM ET | Updated: 03/05/12 04:36 PM ET

Ron Paul has a message for victims of the tornadoes that killed dozens of people in the South and Midwest: buy insurance.

"There is no such thing as federal money," he said Sunday on CNN’s 'State of the Union.' "Federal money is just what they steal from the states and steal from you and me. The people who live in tornado alley, just as I live in hurricane alley, they should have insurance."

The libertarian-leaning presidential candidate went on to reiterate his opposition to the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and suggest the National Guard play a key role in the aftermath of natural disasters.

"To say that any accident that happens in the country, send in FEMA, send in the money, the government has all this money--it is totally out of control and it's not efficient," he said.

Paul railed against FEMA last year after wildfires ravaged his home state, Texas, destroying 4,000 homes and killing ten people. He wrote a column in the Houston Chronicle arguing for elimination of the agency, calling it "symptomatic of a blind belief in big government’s ability to do anything and everything for anyone and everyone." Here's an excerpt:

Victims of disasters should get any and all help possible, and there is virtually no limit to the generosity and compassion of good American people after devastation hits. One only need to remember the outpouring after Katrina to know this is true. FEMA, however, did more to get in the way of relief than to actually provide and facilitate it.

The examples are numerous. When the call was put out for volunteer firefighters, they volunteered by the thousands. It was FEMA, for reasons of control and bureaucratic ineptitude, who made sure they were not, in fact allowed to actually help. When a group of firefighters arrived from Houston, instead of being put immediately on the job, they were told to sit around and wait. After waiting for two days doing nothing, they were simply sent home. One thousand volunteer firefighters were sent to Atlanta to undergo sexual harassment training while fires actively raged in the city. The ones that remained through this stupidity were sent to escort the president around or to distribute fliers instead of putting out fires. Computer engineer Jack Harrison was told his skills were needed to rebuild technological infrastructure. After being given the runaround for about two weeks, he was misallocated as head of security on the cruise ship FEMA had leased, when he should have been using his skills to help. All manner of help was turned away or mismanaged by FEMA while people suffered and waited. Even the Red Cross had its hands tied by FEMA.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/ron-paul-tornado-fema-aid-_n_1321690.html?ref=politics

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[draztik]

The ignorance in this world amazes. Here comes Libya version 2.0. Syria is now being targeted by the banking oligarch that controls our government. Their loyal minion Sen. John McCain is calling for air strikes on Syria. While we fight each other over bullshit the establishment is marching us towards their ultimate goal of WWIII. Is it hard for people to see the sum of the current events? Snap out of it both parties are controlled by the same banking elite. Ron Paul had to run as a republican to inject real issues into the otherwise scripted puppet show. It forced the media to actually acknowledge reality for the brief moments of clarity when Dr. Paul was allowed to be shown on air. The shit stream, failure to the human race, American media propaganda machine is so fucking afraid of Ron Paul! It's such a good feeling to know this. What is it going to take for people to open their eyes? NO ONE WANTS THESE WARS BUT THEY CONTINUE! Why? I would have to say because the majority of the American population has been trained to be little lap dogs by the five media giants that control Americas perception of reality, literally. I noticed some of the folks here just can't seem to grasp the concept that we are being conquered scientifically on multiple levels. Unlike previous tyranny's this one is scientific and slow creeping.They have learned from history and have avoided the failures of past empires. They know in order to reach their goals of world government and a single world digital currency it has to be done incrementally using problem, reaction, solution also know as "The Hegelian Dialectic" to slowly strip away our rights and freedoms. If you don't know what "The Hegelian Dialectic" is I suggest you look it up. The oligarch then had their minions in our government deregulate the banking system and sign a bunch of free trade agreements so they could rob us blind while collapsing our monetary system and economy along with the rest of the world in order to bring in their solution of a one world digital currency. China is being built up by the global elite to be their global model after they destroy what is left of America. Most people are oblivious and think this is untrue and that they and the cartoon media have all the answers. I hope those on the fence about how fucking real this is snap out of your trance. The same pieces of shit that drag us into endless war over seas are the same pieces of shit that wage this endless drug war here at home. It's one big sick fucking joke on us.

 

[dagnabit]

Dr paul nailed it on fema...
Worthless orginization
Heckuva job brownie.

 

[Mickeyspliff]

I cast my ballot for Dr. Paul today, the Man with the plan I believe in. It was a great feeling to cast a vote for Peace and Liberty. Thank you Ron Paul for your hard work, you have put a spotlight on issues other candidates won't address. You are truly a great American.

 

[SpasticGramps]

This video is hilarious.

Keynesian Economics vs. Austrian Economics

But I'm sure the Keynesians are right this time around. Everything is going to be fine. The central planners know exactly what they are doing. Bernanke said the other day there were no "obvious bubbles." Nevermind the exponential expansion of central bank balance sheets to paper over the last bubble. All is well.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

If we don't re initiate Wall Street regulations, monetary standard isn't going to matter.

 

[SpasticGramps]

Wall Street (Multi-national Banks) owns the Fed which owns the government. Until that incestuous relationship ends nothing matters. Particularly regulations which have been written to enshrine TBTF and suffocate everyone else.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Ron's "gold standard" is nothing more than a desire to re-open the gold window and allow gold as regular currency. End the sales tax on gold transactions so that gold has a more accurate exchange value.

None of this would change GDP based fractional reserve. Ron's his own worst messenger. Ron doesn't anticipate a price standardization, he has some hybridized idea that IMO hasn't exactly been calculated. I get the impression a for-real gold standardization would take the 1930s $39 per ounce price and today's price and standardize somewhere between the high and low.

 

[NoMoreMrNiceGuy]

What baffles me is how everyone is so concerned about the economy yet, no one seems to care for him even when he wants to cut over a trillion dollars immediately the first year. If anyone has watched any of the debates, all the candidates except Ron Paul, are so very eager to go to war. This country is fucked without him, period.. Only chance to turn this nation around.

I'm with you there, brother!! We have too many "Hawks" running OUR Government, looking to go to war to fill up their "Piggy Banks" with investments in weapon and gear industries. Talk about a messed up country!!
You know, Republican candidate or not, if every single pot smoker (AND anyone concerned with their freedom) would band together and vote with one mind, we could take over this country!!! Just like BO got all his supporters to stand up at once, a cohesive force is a force to be reckoned with!!
We need to stop looking at "Electoral votes" to win the Republican nomination and start building RON PAUL up as the next President of these GREAT United States of America!!! He has the mindset of ordinary citizens, to take back America from those who are running our home into the ground because of their greed or agenda to do away with the CONSTITUTION, like the asshole we have in power at the moment. He was a flag burning, anti Constitution protester along with his "Angry" wife. HOW IN THE HELL DID THESE TRAITORS MAKE IT INTO THE WHITE HOUSE???
Because people banded together with a common need and cause. WE can do that for RON PAUL. Vote RON PAUL, no matter WHAT party he ends up in!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[itisme]

Did they add the gunfire yet??? What? CNN staging war time reporter. Sad sacks!

http://www.infowars.com/syria-danny-caught-staging-cnn-war-propaganda-stunt/

War is a Racket. Spastic Gramps is right.