Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

Just curious (putting the flame suit on), how was Bush "worse."

Are you talking about regarding the war (remember Obama campaigned on withdrawing the troops--they're still there), regarding the debt (obama added multiple trillions in one year--more than Bush), regarding personal liberty (both sucked), regarding chrony-capitalism (Bush gave money to his cronies, so did Obama), etc.

Like I said, I'm curious to know how Bush is "worse." At the least, the things you "hate" Bush for are the very things Obama's doing just in different ways or slightly smaller or larger numbers.

removed us from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, which kept tensions low between us and the soviets during the cold war.

Rejecting the Kyoto Protocol to lower carbon emissions.

Took office with an agenda of leading us into War with Iraq and said "Saddam tried to kill my daddy" as one of his reasons. A man who made his fortunes from oil attacking a large oil producer and gaining a military foothold in the region is hardly a coincidence.

Allowing the BIN LADEN Family to be the only people allowed to fly on sept 11, probably as a gift back to the people who invested startup money in his first energy company, ARBUSTO. (please research this, I dont have the time to get into a pages long post of the history of this, Dave Emory offers a good starting point.

Completely fabricating the fact iraq had WMDs.
"On March 24, 2004, Bush joked about the weapons of mass destruction issue at the annual White House Correspondents' Dinner. While showing slides of himself searching the Oval Office, he joked, "those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere … nope, no weapons over there … maybe under here?" Some found it tasteless of him to be joking about the issue."

Creating the hellhole and haven for various terrorist factions that Iraq now is.

WATERBOARDING

GITMO

THE PATRIOT ACT, which allows blanket action by the government and LEO against "Suspected Terrorists"

what I believe is his collusion with the planners of 9/11(you can ignore this as it is my personal opinion, and no i do not believe in controlled demolition and the missile at the pentagon theories, and this are wignut theories to distract us from what really happened)

Banking bailouts to companies who were laundering drug money from Casa de Cambios in Mexico(See Wachovia)

Carte Blanche for oil companies to do as they wish(Oh yeah Remember Dik Cheney ran HALLIBURTON, you prolly dont, but I do)

Spending us into a hole with overreaching defense spending.

Heres some quick checking you can do, as I suspect you don't have the time or inclination to research as much as I have since 2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_the_George_W._Bush_administration

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_George_W._Bush_administration

Not an obama apologist either(I Voted RON PAUL in 08 and will do so again this year), but these war and economic machinations were set in motion before him.

 

[GP73LPC]

well said MadBuddhaAbuser

 

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

Our health care is so expensive because we're the only industrialized nation that makes a profit. You'll probably disagree with that too.

Ok, so first you say our healthcare is so expensive because of those fatty poor people(closet racism or classism perhaps?), Then I rebut that with a statement from the healthcare industry, then you say its so expensive cuz they make money off it. Again I'd like to submit into evidence

Throughout this year, major health insurers have defended higher premiums — and higher profits — saying that their expenses would rise once the economy recovered and people believed they could again afford medical care. The struggling economy will probably keep suppressing demand for medical care, particularly as people pay a larger share of their own medical bills through higher deductibles and co-payments, according to benefits consultants and others. About three-quarters of workers now pay part of the bill when they go see a doctor, and nearly a third have a deductible of at least $1,000 if they have single coverage, up from just one in 10 in 2006, according Kaiser.

Although demand for care appears to be growing relatively slowly, insurers and benefit consultants also say prices for medical care continue to climb as prescription drug makers and hospitals charge more. “If they’re a popular brand or anchor hospital, they’re going to negotiate a significant increase if they can,” said Edward A. Kaplan, a benefits expert with the Segal Company, which recently surveyed insurers about medical costs.

they justify raising costs because maybe someday people will think that they can actually afford healthcare. Are they fucking kidding me?

I'm all for waxing regulations that don't make sense. But I pay attention to the science, not whether it mimics propaganda.

I know you must be a student of economics as I have seen many of your well thought out posts discussing same, however your history could use some brushing up on.

"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
Edmund Burke (1729-1797)

Burke was a British Statesman and Philosopher who is generally viewed as the philosophical founder of modern political conservatism.


And an objective recollection of how people were fooled into being controlled(germans did not all of a sudden wake up and say "Hey lets kill jews" like our failed American education system would have us a believe. And it was much more than just hitler was a great orator, but that certainly helped to ease peoples fears.) is a long way away from propoganda.

History=Science

I hope you know what happens when we wait till the government attacks us personally

Pastor Niemöller spoke for the thousands and thousands of men like me when he spoke (too modestly of himself) and said that, when the Nazis attacked the Communists, he was a little uneasy, but, after all, he was not a Communist, and so he did nothing; and then they attacked the Socialists, and he was a little uneasier, but, still, he was not a Socialist, and he did nothing; and then the schools, the press, the Jews, and so on, and he was always uneasier, but still he did nothing. And then they attacked the Church, and he was a Churchman, and he did something—but then it was too late."

"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it—please try to believe me—unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, ‘regretted,’ that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these ‘little measures’ that no ‘patriotic German’ could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head."-
An excerpt from
They Thought They Were Free
The Germans, 1933-45
Milton Mayer

 

[trichrider]

http://www.newser.com/story/138952/president-obama-just-may-have-lost-the-election.html

rally the catholics!

 

[zymos]

http://www.newser.com/story/138952/president-obama-just-may-have-lost-the-election.html

rally the catholics!

From the Politico article-

"“Who are we going to really lose over this? Ron Paul voters?” asked a senior aide to a Senate Democrat, who thinks the administration should have handled the situation more quietly by punting a decision until after Election Day. “Maybe it wouldn’t have mattered. … Catholics who don’t believe in condoms aren’t going to vote for Barack Obama anyway. Let’s get real.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/72345.html#ixzz1lRCe1Sro"

 

[itisme]

Ron Paul is the Ultimate Anti-Zionist.. I love this man... His life long motto is fuck AIPAC

The reason why there is zero difference between Obummer And Evil Bush...both recieved more money from AIPAC than any other contributers... No one thinks its weird that Billionare Jews fund American Politics???? WTF is up with that shit.... RON PAUL ALL DAY

An enlightened one

MadBuddaAbuser crushed it! Great quotes and chart.

It's all Illuminati as the Devil wishes to be all knowing and all powerful, yet he is not. God Bless us all.

 

[dagnabit]

im no fan of bushie..
but O aint no better for sure...
he will be presiding over WWIII (starting with iran) and ndaa will seem like the bill of rights compared to what will happen once that shit goes down

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Ok, so first you say our healthcare is so expensive because of those fatty poor people

What part of "in part" do you not understand?

(closet racism or classism perhaps?)

Politicizing something you don't likey, perhaps?

Then I rebut that with a statement from the healthcare industry, then you say its so expensive cuz they make money off it. Again I'd like to submit into evidence

Sounds like you're submitting word battle.

How about some evidence of all the other industrialized nations who profit from disease?

they justify raising costs because maybe someday people will think that they can actually afford healthcare.

What? Never mind.

I know you must be a student of economics as I have seen many of your well thought out posts discussing same, however your history could use some brushing up on.

"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
Edmund Burke (1729-1797)

Burke was a British Statesman and Philosopher who is generally viewed as the philosophical founder of modern political conservatism.


And an objective recollection of how people were fooled into being controlled(germans did not all of a sudden wake up and say "Hey lets kill jews" like our failed American education system would have us a believe. And it was much more than just hitler was a great orator, but that certainly helped to ease peoples fears.) is a long way away from propoganda.

History=Science

I hope you know what happens when we wait till the government attacks us personally


"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it—please try to believe me—unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, ‘regretted,’ that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these ‘little measures’ that no ‘patriotic German’ could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head."-
An excerpt from
They Thought They Were Free
The Germans, 1933-45
Milton Mayer

Lol. Reminding you that bad food is bad for you (and) may result in your poor health isn't controlling you.

 

[dagnabit]

Lol. Reminding you that bad food is bad for you (and) may result in your poor health isn't controlling you.

nor is a sin tax or a sugary drink tax,i mean you don't have to pay the tax just don't buy sugary drinks.
hell MJ prohibition is not controlling you either..
don't have marijuana and you don't have to worry

 

[SacredBreh]

Great posts in this thread.... MadAbuser, ShroomDr,Itisme, GP7 to name just a few.

Great posts in this thread.... MadAbuser, ShroomDr,Itisme, GP7 to name just a few.

and dagnabit! oops meant you in there too.

Excellent posts! Run out of reputation and votes for posts every day.

It starts with seat belts, sugar, censorship of vulgar material (such as OG)......... none of which infringe on others rights but then conditions the population to accept the "we know what is best for you". All good ideas from a certain point of view.

Some very intelligent people fall for that thinking.

Hell, Discobiscuit if possibly causing your insurance rates to go up was justification..... you are probably for laws/taxes requiring you to shovel your walk or wear a helmet while walking in case someone falls and makes a claim. Everyone owns everything or no one owns anything. The people running either (Facist or Socialist) are still running it.

Socialist/ Fascist agendas......very insidiously being in put in place.

Peace

 

[itisme]

Fritz Springmeier - The Top 13 Illuminati Bloodlines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vado3pYSIOk&feature=share

Got to time stamp 2:18 and he talks about 3 Pseudo Wars. It may take 2 minutes to listen to the three wars section.

1. Environmental War
2. Drug War
3. Mach Alien Invasion

Go see some N. Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin are saying...Neil says, "they are Parrots and can't fly well" While Buzz is selling UFO's. He probably really believes it and this video explains a lot of "issues"! Check out Brittney and her British girl. Check on the Astronaut that was riding in her diaper.....ETC...

 

[resinryder]

Just got back from the cacus and voted for Ron Paul. Might add too that for such a large district there was a VERY, VERY low turn out for the caucus. From what I was hearing, Romney is gonna carry Nevada. The turn out at my location was mainly older voters. Most every 1 of them think Romney is the shit. And were suggesting that he had enough cross over appeal to pull in the Independent vote. I laughed out loud and pissed Romney's rep in my group off.
He asked me why and I politely told him that Romney seems out of touch, unapproachable, unable to answer a direct question, will bring the nuclear waste of America to Yucca Mountain(like he told the governor of SC he would), would continue the process of both Repubs and Dem's of eroding our right in the name of safety, and has no cross over appeal what so ever to Independent's
Stated my reasons voting for Dr. Paul, and ended with is Ron Paul doesn't carry the Republican party in the general election in November that I would be voting 3rd party because the thought of casting a vote for Romney or the others made me sick to my stomach due to the fact that it would just lead to more of the same old thing we've been going through the past 12 years and longer.
Guess you can say I thoroughly pissed off 18 others in my group.

 

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

Ok, so first you say our healthcare is so expensive because of those fatty poor people(closet racism or classism perhaps?), Then I rebut that with a statement from the healthcare industry, then you say its so expensive cuz they make money off it. Again I'd like to submit into evidence

What part of "in part" do you not understand?

What part of the word "scapegoating" do you not understand?

You say rising costs of operation due to "the fat and poor" or sugary foods is a justification for out of control healthcare costs?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57369422/health-insurer-aetnas-4q-profit-jumps-73-percent/

February 1, 2012 6:25 AM

Health insurer Aetna's 4Q profit jumps 73 percent


(AP) INDIANAPOLIS — Health insurer Aetna Inc.'s fourth-quarter net income jumped 73 percent, as it continued to benefit from low use of health care and some key expenses fell.

The Hartford, Conn., insurer's earnings and revenue topped Wall Street expectations due in part to slower-than-expected growth in health care use, a trend that has helped insurers routinely outperform the past several quarters. Many analysts expect this trend to continue into 2012.

Aetna said Wednesday that it earned $372.6 million, or $1.02 per share, in the three months that ended Dec. 31. That's up from $215.6 million, or 53 cents per share, in the 2010 quarter. Revenue climbed slightly to $8.57 billion.

Health care costs, or the amount Aetna paid in medical claims, fell 2 percent in the quarter to $5.59 billion. The insurer also saw an after-tax benefit of about $63 million because claims leftover from prior periods came in lower than expected.

Aetna's operating expenses also fell 3 percent to $1.83 billion.

Yes, operating costs have been falling and will continue to, but profits continue to rise as compared with previous quarters.

OP by MBA they justify raising costs because maybe someday people will think that they can actually afford healthcare. Are they fucking kidding me?

Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit What? Never mind.

DB, This was a quote FROM THE INSURANCE PROVIDERS. I should ignore it or "never mind" because it doesn't jive with your stance? I don't think so.

How about some evidence of all the other industrialized nations who profit from disease?

Nations don't profit, companies do

I'm discussing american healthcare, but since you're so interested

Cigna’s Cordani Says Health Insurer to Grow in Current Overseas Markets
By Sarah Frier -

Cigna Corp. (CI), the U.S. health insurer that sells in 30 countries and jurisdictions, isn’t looking to add more markets, Chief Executive Officer David Cordani said.

“From a prioritization of new countries to enter, we did Turkey and India, so we are where we want to be,” Cordani said in a telephone interview today after Cigna provided a 2012 forecast that trailed analyst estimates and sent shares down. “There are not additional countries on the horizon to enter.”

Cigna’s international revenue increased 31 percent in 2011 as the company took advantage of a growing middle class in countries including South Korea and China. This year, Cigna expects to increase earnings outside of the U.S. by 20 percent to 30 percent, Cordani said. The geographic diversity will help Bloomfield, Connecticut-based Cigna be better protected from changes in the U.S. health system, he has said.

The “growth trajectory is outstanding” in countries where Cigna already has a presence, Cordani said. In November, Cigna signed an agreement with India’s TTK Group to sell insurance products in that country. The company also acquired FirstAssist Insurance Services Ltd., a U.K. travel and protection insurer, to grow outside the U.S.

And don't tell me countries like china and india are less than industrialized, it's not the 80s anymore.

Lol. Reminding you that bad food is bad for you (and) may result in your poor health isn't controlling you.

"'Realistic approach'

Barbara Gallani, director of food safety and science at the UK Food and Drink Federation, said they recognised the worldwide health burden of non-infectious diseases and agreed action was needed.

"However, the causes of these diseases are multifactorial and demonising individual food components does not help consumers to build a realistic approach to their diet," she explained.

"The key to good health is a balanced and varied diet, in the context of a healthy lifestyle that includes plenty of physical activity."\"

I still feel the FDA bloated 5 BILLION dollar budget would be a better help to US if we, oh I dunno, made sure our food wouldnt kill us instead of wasting money buying TV ad time and conducting studies telling us things we already know. I guess I must be crazy though.


Just to make sure it sinks in, I shall remind you yet again

how fascism comes to your door

"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it—please try to believe me—unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained"-They thought they were free

 

[Cojito]

Ok, so first you say our healthcare is so expensive because of those fatty poor people(closet racism or classism perhaps?) ...

here's what Disco actually wrote: "Statistics show in part why our health care is so expensive. A minority of folks in poor health run up costs due to poor eating practices."

"a minority of folks" is not the same as minority folks. you do see that don't you? is there a problem with your reading comprehension? or are you deliberately misreading this statement? either way - its hard to take you seriously when you write things like this.

And an objective recollection of how people were fooled into being controlled(germans did not all of a sudden wake up and say "Hey lets kill jews" like our failed American education system would have us a believe. And it was much more than just hitler was a great orator, but that certainly helped to ease peoples fears.) is a long way away from propoganda. History=Science. I hope you know what happens when we wait till the government attacks us personally

the nazis took advantage of centuries of religious hatred for the jews. and you can thank Christianity for that.

 

[bentom187]

ron paul rally in minn.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

... Nations don't profit, companies do

Other nations don't allow their health care cabal to consume 1/6th GDP.

 

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

here's what Disco actually wrote: "Statistics show in part why our health care is so expensive. A minority of folks in poor health run up costs due to poor eating practices."

"a minority of folks" is not the same as minority folks. you do see that don't you? is there a problem with your reading comprehension? or are you deliberately misreading this statement? either way - its hard to take you seriously when you write things like this.

I'm quite aware of what Disco wrote. I don't understand why that gets lost on you. Sorry the public education system failed you. I merely pondered if his viewpoint had some sort of classist underpinnings.

To think that a "small percentage" of people can manage to run up healthcare costs makes it hard for me to take that view point seriously. Especially when a single health insurance company manages to make 1 BILLION in profits in a fiscal year.


I showed statistics that indicate falling costs of coverage, and increased profit margins in relation to previous quarters.

the nazis took advantage of centuries of religious hatred for the jews. and you can thank Christianity for that.

and I'm sorry you cannot see parallels between various fascist groups. The Nazis attacked ALL groups, and did not merely take advantage of christian "hatred" of jews.(im glad you haven't given up on your atheist or bust agenda)

i shall reiterate since your comphrehesion seems slowed.

Pastor Niemöller spoke for the thousands and thousands of men like me when he spoke (too modestly of himself) and said that, when the Nazis attacked the Communists, he was a little uneasy, but, after all, he was not a Communist, and so he did nothing; and then they attacked the Socialists, and he was a little uneasier, but, still, he was not a Socialist, and he did nothing; and then the schools, the press, the Jews, and so on, and he was always uneasier, but still he did nothing. And then they attacked the Church, and he was a Churchman, and he did something—but then it was too late."

Communists, socialists, schools, the press, and the catholic church are clearly NOT jewish.

Also, the national socialist party came to power primarily due to the failed economy and rampant inflation that occured after the germany economy was run into the ground from repaying countries it had fought during WW1. Hitler instituted many public works projects, rebuilding roads, factories, rearming the country providing jobs in manufacturing(those tanks and planes dont build themselves) etc. This won the support of the germans who were poor and in an economic crisis. He did not get to his position by merely attacking jews. He was against the entire idea of reparations, as were most germans. his "hidden agenda" was the "jewish question".


here's an idea of how worthless the german dollar was in the 20s

do your homework kid.

Next time I quote from that book I shall have to replace "Nazi" and :german" with "american" so people are not distracted by an inflammatory word.

 

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

Other nations don't allow their health care cabal to consume 1/6th GDP.

point being?

 

[Rukind]

The gov't recommends that we eat over 300g of carbs a day. thats what they teach in schools. That is why people get fat (unhealthy), because they are addicted to carbs. We are not taught the truth about our real diet which consist of meat and small portions of vegetation (when there is no meat). Not grains.

Disco said that saturated fat is bad for me. I have eaten nothing but meat for 6 months (keeping my diet at 70 % fat/30 % protein) and I have never felt better. I have lost 20 pounds (i used to weigh 150 now i weigh 130. I didn't do this cause i was fat, it was for health reasons) and I havn't had a bad case of asthma in over 5 months now. I have never in my life gone more than 2 days without an inhaler. So going from inhaler everyday to just not needing one at all was a life changer. i still get a slight irritation that goes away in minutes. I think in about a year or so it will be gone. I have done many years of damage so its not going away over night completely, but it is major progress. I also make sure i dont over cook my food. I can go into a serious debate over diet if you like.

The food pyramid is bullshit and its only put there to make us sick. The medical industry knows this and makes money off of sick people. Eating vegetables is only for survival. That is why we are overpopulated. we ate outside of our food chain. If we stuck to animals, we wouldn't have had this population problem.

We have had agriculture for no more than 15,000 years. We have been here more than a million years. Think about that for a while. Its not like we sat down with a big bowl of salad everyday. We ate meat and plants were medicine.

Also if your really cold, just stick a piece of real butter in your mouth and your entire body warms up. thats why eskimo's ate so much blubber. Also russian scientist working in the arctic or Siberia use this trick all the time.

When you eat 300g of carbs a day (the recommended amount) you become addicted. You eat and eat and you never feel satisfied. you eat animal fat and you feel satiated when you are done eating and you wont gain body fat. Just like farmers feed pigs skim milk. if they fed them whole milk, they would get full to fast and not get as fat. so they feed them skim to fatten them up with sugar. its the same shit they are doing to us. Then they make health care so expensive that no one can afford it. I am in debt 3600 for medical bills that aren't even my fault. I have epilepsy and people would call an ambulance when i had a seizure. If i was out and in public, people who didn't know me freaked out and i get stuck with the bill. an ambulance ride cost over a grand. thats fucking insane.

Also every since I have eaten this way, I havn't had a seizure what so ever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet

I eat the same shit everyday and it taste better and better each time. I eat a steak and an omlet(with cheddar) with a tablespoon of butter for breakfast. I eat about a half pound of grass fed beef for lunch. For dinner, I eat about a pound of grass fed beef plus a 1/4 pound of chicken thigh ( no seasoning or anything like that. no pink in my chicken. i completely cook any game or pork). I make sure there is a little pink in my beef/steak so i get all my vitamins and nutrients that i could ever need. I eat beef liver about once every 3 months (only an ounce or 2) to get my vitamin A. The only real source of vitamin A on this planet is in animal liver. Vitamin A easily becomes toxic and gets stored in your liver, so only an ounce or 2 is needed every few months. if you eat to much liver you will get vitamin A toxicity.

Dont say, carrots have vitamin A.. they do not. They have beta carotene which your body can convert to vitamin A but it is extremely inefficient. It is almost impossible to get any good amount of vitamin A from any vegetation.

My blood pressure is outstanding 115/71

no more chest pains, no more anxiety, i can breathe, i have so much energy, my skin is so clear, my teeth cannot get damaged (since i eat no carbs), etc...

I will never again eat more than 5g of carbs. I also bought keto stick and my body is ketone adapted, I am no longer spilling ketones in my urine.

I am telling everyone this to try and help people in bad health. Think about what you would eat if you had to live off the land (that is what you are supposed to eat). we didn't have breads and vegetable oils.. come on.. Doctors weren't even taught about heart disease until the 1900's cause it never happened. Now we eat more bread than anything.

Disco, the gov't will lie to you. believe it. Everything you have ever been taught, you really should question it.

If any of you are fat and unhealthy, disco is right, it is your fault. It is not all your fault, though. You are not taught the truth. Its like telling a junky heroin is good for him.

Health care should be affordable and people should be taught the truth about diet.

Although, the truth is, we cannot maintain this population on meat. not enough meat to go around. so im okay with people wanting to be vegans, more for me.

This doesn't have much to do with ron paul but has a lot to do with health care. hopefully the guy runs third party but it isn't lookin good folks. Nothing in this country is gonna change unless we make it happen. It doesn't matter who the president is. It is gonna be the same thing over and over and we dont have a choice like it or not. deal with it. We think we are civilized but truly we are animals.

 

[Zdub7k]

the entitlements have gotten way worse...did you see the q&a with this guy the other night? this guy is just another fed reserve family puppet...as are all the other candidates except Ron Paul...