Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Bushie

Those girls look like the Oaxacan I recognise .
Some of the other "Oaxacan " from the same source don`t show me the fan leaves reaching up to cradle the flowers like those ones in your pic . Remember me commenting to Charlie on his Oaxacan and its leaves ?

Oh re 20 ft Thai .

Do you really think there were Thai Stiks in Oz in the 1950 s ???
I call BS on that .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[ThaiBliss]

BLB laid a big joint of Laos weed on me when I visited him .
A huge reefer . I took it back to my accommodation and procured a bong .Broke up the joint .
1 pipe and that was more than enough !

That one big joint lasted me the rest of the week .

EB .

Elmer,

That is the weed I want. I keep hearing from other people how strong their weed is, and they tell stories about how it was after smoking a joint... I just cannot believe it if they can smoke a whole joint of very potent weed. Elmer's is the story of super strong weed. One needs to be very careful with extremely powerful weed or risk an unpleasantly scary or literally paralyzingly high.


I should put it in my signature because I say it again and again... The best highs are very small doses of extremely strong weed.

ThaiBliss

 

[bushweed]

G`day Bushie

Those girls look like the Oaxacan I recognise .
Some of the other "Oaxacan " from the same source don`t show me the fan leaves reaching up to cradle the flowers like those ones in your pic . Remember me commenting to Charlie on his Oaxacan and its leaves ?

Oh re 20 ft Thai .

Do you really think there were Thai Stiks in Oz in the 1950 s ???
I call BS on that .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

Funny 20'Thai was just over in Spain last month (where he's remembered for his special Thai beans) visiting Charlie and Raco. Yes 20' was a great story teller. Now if I apply my critical faculties to the question of, whether I think Thai weed was available in Australia in the 50s? Well there's newspaper documentation of people smoking ganja in Sydney in the 20s, so Thai stick in Melbourne in the 50s isn't that far a stretch...and I'd have to say that certain communities in Australia (mainly Greek, Italian) who came from places where hash was widely available for centuries, may well have been interested in the SE Asian herb of the day.

 

[Waldgeist]

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day 93, PurpleHazeThai


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[Elmer Bud]

G`day Thai Bliss

There is a cpl of factors in play here .

Ever notice the crazy potent weed is usually in far off lands ?
It usually takes at least 2-3 days to get to those regions . Add on the time to prep and the flight and your looking at 3-5 days between smokes . That is a too often overlooked element . Then factor in Mind Set and Setting and things make more sense .

If herb can smash me and have me peeking at the curtains in my own home in front of the PC where I usually consume my herb . Then I know it is truly strong .

It doesn`t happen very often . The last time was Kangativa`s Lemon Sk / Mazar I .
Though when I got more in the Autumn, it was a shadow of what I had in the Spring .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Elmer Bud]

Funny 20'Thai was just over in Spain last month (where he's remembered for his special Thai beans) visiting Charlie and Raco. Yes 20' was a great story teller. Now if I apply my critical faculties to the question of, whether I think Thai weed was available in Australia in the 50s? Well there's newspaper documentation of people smoking ganja in Sydney in the 20s, so Thai stick in Melbourne in the 50s isn't that far a stretch...and I'd have to say that certain communities in Australia (mainly Greek, Italian) who came from places where hash was widely available for centuries, may well have been interested in the SE Asian herb of the day.

G`day Bushie

Good call .
I agree there would have been circles of folks that cultivated herb .
I`ve even heard the Rats of Tobruk indulged in hash as there was no liquor .
The feral crop was in the Hunter Valley there till the 70s .
But Thai stiks in the 50s before any GI`s were in SE Asia I find hard to believe .


His credibility went down the drain when I saw that photo shopped pic of the Purple Durban ...

Also him saying KOG is the holder of his Mullum . Its a pretty poor representation of Mullum if it is .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Jhhnn]

Thanks for the props guys, much appreciated. I'd love to see more of these raw tropical strains out there for public consumption. I have approached a few seedbanks with the offer of unselected Thai seeds, but they appear to be too much trouble for the breeders due to protracted flowering times and minimal cola development. And where a Thai may take 16 weeks in my environment, I know it will only take 12 in the source environment, and probably 20 weeks at 35 degrees + from the equator. So I understand the difficulty. And while there is a hardcore group of us who inhabit the sativa pages, I don't know if there's really a market out there compared to the Crippy cuts and hybrids.

Unfortunately, I think you're right. Raw tropical strains are impractical & not economically viable unless grown outdoors in suitable environments. They're also very difficult to tame, if CBG's description of the development of their destroyer is any indication.

At that, we've seen native commercial growers worldwide switch to faster flowering & more productive hybrids because of LEO pressures. It's their cash crop, the way they get stuff from the outside world, and they'll do what they have to do to take care of their families. They need the money rather badly.

Hopefully some of those genetics will be preserved by people like yourself in anticipation of better days ahead.

 

[Mustafunk]

Of course tropical strains are impractical economically speaking but even growing your own heirloom tomatoes at home gets more expensive and impractical (soil, products, plants, time dedicated, water expenses, etc). I think there is also a bit of pessimism within the community towards this. Like if you are not in the tropics forget about sativas, you won't ever be able to end with something decent! Damn, when I started to hang around the growing forums I was always finding this when I was looking for info on exotic Malawi Gold, Thais and so on in my attempt to find those amazing plants that would make you fly! Shit I wish I could live in the tropics to be able to grow them, I thought.

We all know that we can't replicate the tropical sun and conditions but it's still possible to grow some of those strains with great results indoors (and of course outdoors/greenhouse in some regions too). Every year I become more surprised with new growers and how they take indoor growing to the next level just to grow the plants they love. I live in a wet and cold temperate area but I never let that stop me either from growing the plants that really make me happy. Outdoors indoors or whatever I find it will be easier, even if I need to do a bit of amateur breeding for that! I'm trying to experiment with some crosses with faster and sturdier genes because I know it will improve their performance here. But it's good fun too and part of the culture. Maybe I won't end with a product of the same quality of one grown in Colombia in the same manner that the mangoes I bought at the market won't be as good as the ones eaten in India but it's still a privilege for me and that's a plus already. And I wish I could have also some mango, papaya and guava trees in my garden too, even if they never get totally ripe! lol. That's what's all about.

I think there is also a big difference because all hybrids and commercial strains are based on Skunks and Afghans and they were heavily bred through all this decades (for fast maturing, potent, productive plants) until the point that probably all the commercial strains are some kind of cousins or relatives. While sadly tropical strains were totally abandoned from any breeding programmes since the Skunk and Kush genes arrived. If it wasn't because a few of this new school breeders working with them, we wouldn't even have any alternatives to grow them apart from the actual landraces and heirloom strains preserved by OG growers. I think there is also an increasing tropical movement within the community. More people gets interested by different and exotic strains as they realize there is much more variety than they thought or maybe after smoking a nice speedy african hybrid, so the offer is bigger too. I think we never had so many interesting landraces and tropical strains around and people interested on them since the 70s!

What is even more important, it's also possible to achieve very interesting breeding goals with tropicals with a bit of attention and maybe end with 12-16 week hybrids at max, those are more than reasonable times for tropical material in my opinion. Destroyer, Panama and some others come to mind at even faster times. Mexican and Nepalese/North Indian crosses are fast too because of their latitude of origin. Same with some african IBLs selected for fast flowering for seasons. I think even some faster flowering or skunk genes could be used as breeding tools as long as we keep the breeding criteria crystal clear and we forget about the goals from the past thad made us end with a bunch of strains that look, smell and smoke all the same (production, strong smell, fast flowering at all cost and so on, against the quality and complexity of effect we all look for). Right, it shouldn't be the same as scoring some weed and smoking that in Mexico, Africa or Lao but neither it is growing wild untamed North Indian, Lebanese or Afghan landraces at your indoor cabinet. They would be probably as bad and painful for the grower as tropical strains. We can't simply compare commercial hybrids or poly-hybrids from the same family with untamed tropical strains that have never been taken indoors or entered a proper breeding program. Good hybrids or IBLs with tropical genes, now that would be a whole different thing in my opinion.

I think that it's also a matter of personal taste or pothead culture. If you always listen to a certain genre of music or eat the same kind of food, you would never enjoy other different stuff. You need to be curious and eager to try something new or be introduced in that and learn to appreciate it with the time, as you get more knowledge or skills. Also some people like to be stoned at the sofa while others like to be stimulated and enhaced while they do activities, again it's a matter of taste or character. But there is a whole world out of the skunk, afghan and kush commercial strains. New looks, new aromas, new effects, new growing techniques too in order to make the most of them both practically and economically, etc... It's just that like you said, most breeders and dispensaries obviously do it for the money so they just go for the easy path. Instead of investing years and hundreds of plants to find or create a suitable tropical hybrid or pure strain with a decent performance or potential to be grown indoors (you don't need that much for that). So it's mostly us amateurs and conoisseurs the ones who have the passion to keep those special strains going alive and strong or evolving. Because guys, we shouldn't forget that it was the man who made this plant evolve and become what it is now in all possible ways.

Just my 2 cents.

Some plants starting to flower outdoors... I didn't feel the need to force flowering with this ones as they aren't really late maturing.

Tijuana... a renowned spanish elite of uncertain origins but outstanding qualities.

Queen Mother aka Reina Madre, Congolese and Zamal genes inside a super clean and energetic 9 week hybrid:

Jamaican Lamsbread (well this one is gonna be slightly more late flowering lol):

 

[drfeelgd]

That PHT is off the hook….. nice job so far…

 

[nachilloo]

Heelloo Sat Lovers..some awakening
Panama

Red Snake F2 - Fast and furious pheno jj

 

[nachilloo]

OTHaze 23

Best wishes
n

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Mof

I think there is also a big difference because all hybrids and commercial strains are based on Skunks and Afghans and they were heavily bred through all this decades (for fast maturing, potent, productive plants) until the point that probably all the commercial strains are some kind of cousins or relatives. While sadly tropical strains were totally abandoned from any breeding programmes since the Skunk and Kush genes arrived. If it wasn't because a few of this new school breeders working with them, we wouldn't even have any alternatives to grow them apart from the actual landraces and heirloom strains preserved by OG growers. I think there is also an increasing tropical movement within the community. More people gets interested by different and exotic strains as they realize there is much more variety than they thought or maybe after smoking a nice african hybrid, so the offer is bigger too. I think we never had so many interesting landraces and tropical strains around and people interested on them since the 70s!

Well when you consider Nevil used the same cuts for so many hybrids .
Yes the gene pool was narrowed some what .Considering at one time he was the world`s source of seeds . Then all those lines inter bred . The out crossing doesn`t get very wide .

Any thing Haze from Nevil or Shanti has originated from 2 seeds .
There was a small pool of NL to work with as well. Sam said recently SK was an unfinished project as was the Durban .
Big Bud / G13 / Hash Plant were all cuttings .
The Skunks were a staple of The Seed Bank and Sensi Seeds .

So Nevil crossed every thing to everything . And that trend hasn`t changed since .

A few generations of interbreeding and the colourful plasticine goes grey .

In Australia . The agricultural seed companies introduced hybrid F1s many years ago . Means buying new seed every season . I think Nevil looked to them for inspiration . lol .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Huesos]

Valla! Valla! Que Yerba tan hermosa.

Nacho- so beautiful that ot1 haze. Mustafunk- right on Hermano. Walgiest- so colorful and beautiful. Just amazing everyone.

The evolution of life shows that we can't do anything but learn from the past. However, we can resurrect the present through genetics and sharing/love of universal brother to brother.

Great thread full of hope for the future

 

[crazyfool*]

Ace Seeds Killer Malawii .....purple feno

 

[Samson4]

A quick shot of my molokai frost. I pinned her branches down a few weeks back. So, she has tons of little bud sites developing. So far, she has been hit with thai82 pollen.

 

[Waldgeist]

Malawi day 87

Zamaldelica day 40

 

[Waldgeist]

Malawi n sunshine, 51N

Zamaldelica #1

#4,5,6 autoflowering in small pot

 

[njlogrider]

I glad that i rediscovered this awesome thread along with my growing love of Sativa .

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Waldi

Jeez ! You do Dubi`s sats proud bro .
Do you think the small pots cause the Zamaldelica to Auto flower ? What light regime are the mothers kept under ?

Done good .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Jhhnn]

Malawi n sunshine, 51N

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#4,5,6 autoflowering in small pot

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I'm curious as to when they actually started flowering & how they were grown. Some strains are semi-autoflowering- they flower when the day length shortens at all.

People have trouble with that setting seedlings & clones outside. Start 'em inside at 16/8, set 'em outside mid may at 14/10 & bam, they flower. If they'd been grown indoor at 14/10, they wouldn't flower until much later.

OTOH, it's a good trait for northern growers, because they'll start to flower late June even at long day lengths.