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Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread
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Herbalistic said:Oh, I love them Wally!!!
Any info about the lineage, or are they some oldschool Aussie sativa´s that go by the name bushweed?
Could it be there is some Colombian genetics in the mix, or would SE Asia be better option for the source of these genetics? I know I connect the upper pic on some general traits we see on sativas from SE Asia
Anyways Wally... Those are really beautiful pics, that´s the way it should be, big sativa tree´s outdoors under the biggest hps of all time -> SUN
thanks herb ,, yes more than likely thai herb id say , or around that area ... australia has quite a lot of "cleaned up" pure sativas ,, they grow great here ....
and unlike indoors and poor climates ,, we can get fat tight heads from pure sativas without waiting all year for them to flower ,, heres a few more ...
JJ: You old seilor
What I can remember from my memory, is that there is Filippenese sativa cultivar called Kalinga, or similar
There should be great genetics hidden, with not too much of western influence what I have understood.... (anyone with better info please clarify me)
Damn, thinking about some Philippinese island sativa, is what makes me
GanjaPasha: Patience mi carnalito, patience.... That´s the spade when growing sativa´s like that in small space like you got! I know you got it mate, you have proven it so many times with your incredible indoor sativagrow´s and contributed so much into this thread & for the community
Wally: Splendid, simply splendid
You are living in a dream climate for sativagrower, eh? I would love do the same one day, but in herbal patio etc.. Well.. That´s just my humble dream that cannot be reality in some years, but when kids grow & herbalistic is going to flow :bigalaugh:
I found it very positive that there are guys/gals in OZ that have preserved these early 60-70´s imported sativas there, I know the amount of people like that is limited nowdays and many old lines have been lost due to hybritalization with faster flowering indica blood, but there STILL are people with these genetics and that´s what counts at the end of the day
Have you never thought to re-produce & preserve these old bushweed line´s Wally? That would be great for our offspring, so they can enjoy some of the wonderfull sativa high´s their ancestors did :wink:
Anyways, very nice job with your batch Wally, very nice
Raco: You stole my words mate
What I can remember from my memory, is that there is Filippenese sativa cultivar called Kalinga, or similar
There should be great genetics hidden, with not too much of western influence what I have understood.... (anyone with better info please clarify me)
Damn, thinking about some Philippinese island sativa, is what makes me
GanjaPasha: Patience mi carnalito, patience.... That´s the spade when growing sativa´s like that in small space like you got! I know you got it mate, you have proven it so many times with your incredible indoor sativagrow´s and contributed so much into this thread & for the community
Wally: Splendid, simply splendid
You are living in a dream climate for sativagrower, eh? I would love do the same one day, but in herbal patio etc.. Well.. That´s just my humble dream that cannot be reality in some years, but when kids grow & herbalistic is going to flow :bigalaugh:I found it very positive that there are guys/gals in OZ that have preserved these early 60-70´s imported sativas there, I know the amount of people like that is limited nowdays and many old lines have been lost due to hybritalization with faster flowering indica blood, but there STILL are people with these genetics and that´s what counts at the end of the day
Have you never thought to re-produce & preserve these old bushweed line´s Wally? That would be great for our offspring, so they can enjoy some of the wonderfull sativa high´s their ancestors did :wink:
Anyways, very nice job with your batch Wally, very nice
Raco: You stole my words mate
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Herbalistic said:JJ: You old seilor
What I can remember from my memory, is that there is Filippenese sativa cultivar called Kalinga, or similar
There should be great genetics hidden, with not too much of western influence what I have understood.... (anyone with better info please clarify me)
Damn, thinking about some Philippinese island sativa, is what makes me
GanjaPasha: Patience mi carnalito, patience.... That´s the spade when growing sativa´s like that in small space like you got! I know you got it mate, you have proven it so many times with your incredible indoor sativagrow´s and contributed so much into this thread & for the community
Wally: Splendid, simply splendid
I found it very positive that there are guys/gals in OZ that have preserved these early 60-70´s imported sativas there, I know the amount of people like that is limited nowdays and many old lines have been lost due to hybritalization with faster flowering indica blood, but there STILL are people with these genetics and that´s what counts at the end of the day
Have you never thought to re-produce & preserve these old bushweed line´s Wally? That would be great for our offspring, so they can enjoy some of the wonderfull sativa high´s their ancestors did :wink:
Anyways, very nice job with your batch Wally, very nice
Raco: You stole my words mate
yes ive thought of it herb ,, and started keeping the best of them for later , i agree with u ,, they are well worth preserving , the building blocks of all we have really ...
some of the sativas dont give u such a high , as a kick in the nuts , really knock u back in your chair , or finding yourself needing one very fast ,, hehehe .. those are the ones ive been keeping for later ... id recommend papua new guinea sativas for folks looking for a powerful high ,, they are in a class of their own in many instances ive found ...
That´s great new´s Wally!!! Qwaak, Qwaak, Qwaak Since we are on same thought, then let me suggest something else too, ok mate?
What about growing & selecting some fast maturing, but still electric sativas and cross them with those papua new guinea sativa´s to create something really special smoke that doesnt take age´s to mature and is still quite easy to grow indoors :wink:
Herbalistic thinks that would be really special, talking about some fast flowering African sativa, or Nepalese sativa, main thing would be that even after crossing these fine genetics, the outcome still remains 100 % sativa
Really love your work & attitude Wally, you really know what is important for the species and you also think future, not just present & past
Really mate, that´s is something more people should work towards! It´s sad too many "breeders"/those, who are responsible of general genetic diversity are after quick buck, with quick flowering varieties.. What´s even worse, is the ongoing trend of recycling same old boring genetics!
Not too many people are taking risk´s & possible financial & time "wasting" losse´s to create something new from pure, non hybritized landrace genetics, what would be most important considering the future of our belowed specie´s
If I quess right, you aint preserving those genetics for financial reasons if I know anything about your values, but more to share with good folks of cannacommunitie´s, os these genetics aint going to disapear???
Cornfield: Thank you for sharign those pics, I´ve been long waiting such grows/pics, thank you for sharing them!!! Is there any possibility you could take shots of the whole plants? Now that would be great to see :wink:
Btw, I have noticed mutated leaf form in many BSC strains.. After seeing pics of BSC CG´s from various growers, I first thought it was produced because of overdose of nitrogen, but after seeing more of their strains have the same leaf form, it leads me think about the lineage/heritage of their strains
What is your opinion about the matter discussed, after growing several BSC offerings Cornfield?
droopy: Thank you so much for sharing pics of the plant from Paraquan brickseed´s
It´s important that people who access to that brick grow & document & share them with others, thank you for your favor for the community!!!My carefull estimation for your "problem" of thin upper leafs & wider bottom leafs, is probly caused by hybrilization among pure Paraquan sativa & faster maturing indicadom hybrid
Dont know when this hybrilization has happened, but it´s my sincere opinion it has happened in some stage....Pure Paraquan sativa should produce thin leafs start from finish, based on the info I have received from people who have growed confirmed & authentic, pure Paraquan sativa´s in the 80´s...
But as we can see, their growing structure is still quite sativadom
Gotta love the looks of that plant, eh?Well done job so far, considering it´s your first grow with these brickseeds and the small container size
Please keep us updated.....
Took some pics of floweringcloset for you guys/gals....
Most of them are sativadoms, except Swazi´s which are 100 % sativa, so may I start with them?
The daughter, flowered straight as a rooted clone..
And here´s the proud mother:
Here´s my current favorite sativadom considering it´s growing & flowering properties -> KaliMost from M.O.D
And something from Moonshineman -> SageDaze 1run with it, she has been veggin in 1.5 L of coco for quite sometime and transplanted into 3 L pot of cocoloco, because of moving into flowapowamode
+ 1 pic of a veggin plant, this is my own cross among Neville´s Haze mother (MrNice) & Purp´s father (BCBD), very pungent smell when rubbed even slighty, I really do hope it transplants into potency of finished endproduct also
As you guys/gals can see, the plants aint looking too good... This is all because of my accident couple weeks ago, when most them did almost dry out and loose big amount of their fanleafs + them damned ph problems, when I was hospitalized
Take care friends and take care of your precious sativa diva´s
Most of them are sativadoms, except Swazi´s which are 100 % sativa, so may I start with them?
The daughter, flowered straight as a rooted clone..
And here´s the proud mother:
Here´s my current favorite sativadom considering it´s growing & flowering properties -> KaliMost from M.O.D
And something from Moonshineman -> SageDaze 1run with it, she has been veggin in 1.5 L of coco for quite sometime and transplanted into 3 L pot of cocoloco, because of moving into flowapowamode
+ 1 pic of a veggin plant, this is my own cross among Neville´s Haze mother (MrNice) & Purp´s father (BCBD), very pungent smell when rubbed even slighty, I really do hope it transplants into potency of finished endproduct also
As you guys/gals can see, the plants aint looking too good... This is all because of my accident couple weeks ago, when most them did almost dry out and loose big amount of their fanleafs + them damned ph problems, when I was hospitalized
Take care friends and take care of your precious sativa diva´s
Herbalistic wrote :
"Btw, I have noticed mutated leaf form in many BSC strains.. After seeing pics of BSC CG´s from various growers, I first thought it was produced because of overdose of nitrogen, but after seeing more of their strains have the same leaf form, it leads me think about the lineage/heritage of their strains
What is your opinion about the matter discussed, after growing several BSC offerings Cornfield?"
there are mutant's and hermie's, "indica" phenos and 15+ weeks sativas in BSC genetics, that's for shure
from 11 Original Green seeds i got one nice boy and one nice sativa girl, one "indica" hermie and "shitload" mutants (all mutants died in few days)
Original Green in mid flower
from 5 Colombian Gold beans I got one indica and one sativa girl (sativa turn to hermie) + one mutant boy. i made some seed, grow 'em and find two phenos : "indica" -done at day 90-100 and "mutant" - take few weeks more
mutant at day 90
indica pheno down :
from six Punto Rojos I got two girls. one is done at day 90-100 (and show 6 sterile bananas at day 80-90.....10 days ago). second need few weeks more :
more pics here :
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=1722561#post1722561
NOTE: I have light leak and high temp's in my box (40°C) and I use small pots, that can explain, why they hermied. low germination rate's and mutant's .....dont know, maybe old seeds, maybe X-rays combined with genes ?
about indica phenos in extreme sativa strains .....god and maybe Luiz know from where they are
anyway I keep that indica C.Gold, 90 days P.Rojo and Original Green (only this one look like pure sativa) mother's and I think I'll bee keep them for long time
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"Btw, I have noticed mutated leaf form in many BSC strains.. After seeing pics of BSC CG´s from various growers, I first thought it was produced because of overdose of nitrogen, but after seeing more of their strains have the same leaf form, it leads me think about the lineage/heritage of their strains
What is your opinion about the matter discussed, after growing several BSC offerings Cornfield?"
there are mutant's and hermie's, "indica" phenos and 15+ weeks sativas in BSC genetics, that's for shure
from 11 Original Green seeds i got one nice boy and one nice sativa girl, one "indica" hermie and "shitload" mutants (all mutants died in few days)
Original Green in mid flower
from 5 Colombian Gold beans I got one indica and one sativa girl (sativa turn to hermie) + one mutant boy. i made some seed, grow 'em and find two phenos : "indica" -done at day 90-100 and "mutant" - take few weeks more
mutant at day 90
indica pheno down :
from six Punto Rojos I got two girls. one is done at day 90-100 (and show 6 sterile bananas at day 80-90.....10 days ago). second need few weeks more :
more pics here :
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=1722561#post1722561
NOTE: I have light leak and high temp's in my box (40°C) and I use small pots, that can explain, why they hermied. low germination rate's and mutant's .....dont know, maybe old seeds, maybe X-rays combined with genes ?
about indica phenos in extreme sativa strains .....god and maybe Luiz know from where they are
anyway I keep that indica C.Gold, 90 days P.Rojo and Original Green (only this one look like pure sativa) mother's and I think I'll bee keep them for long time
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Shouldn't a Mexican Sativa show the same characteristics?More and more of my brickweed is coming out to be hybrids.I'm working with a landrace now that sadly is showing hybridization.A longflowering landrace (150+ days flower)that only has medium potency,but a unique stellar high,if cured for a long time.Creeper affect,about 20-30 minutes before I start feeling it.Slightly psychedelic,with slight visual distortions etc.It begins with larger leaves,and ends with skinny leaves.Herbalistic said:
My carefull estimation for your "problem" of thin upper leafs & wider bottom leafs, is probly caused by hybrilization among pure Paraquan sativa & faster maturing indicadom hybrid
Pure Paraquan sativa should produce thin leafs start from finish, based on the info I have received from people who have growed confirmed & authentic, pure Paraquan sativa´s in the 80´s...
The other end of the spectrum,is a 60 day variety,Non-skunky,in your
face,soaring buzz straight from the microwave.No cure necessary,though it will increase potency.Great high,but not psychedelic the way I like it.No flavor btw,not even hay.Which is a question itself;lack of scent= lack of flavor??
The Landrace after a cure
bviously,small yeilds,but worth every month of time.
The closest I can come to open polinate this line is with one male and 4 females.One longflowering landrace type,one fast type and two intermediates.
Bottleneck in other words.
My question is,if farmers have access to new,faster genetics,why aren't they growing them pure?Why hybridize with a longflowering,possibly equitorial variety?I thought the idea behind hybridization is faster plants,one more harvest,more annual income to feed the family with.Obviously,quality,or type of high is of no concern,though they do still manicure the buds before pressing or bricking.
And,since they also have to produce seed for the next crop,aren't they taking a huge chance considering they can't know what their gonna get from the hybridized seed?Or,if they are purchasing seed,why are they purchasing a hybridized landrace which they prolly already had???Obviously,I'm really confused about this.Thanks
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hardhat22 said:
let me try to help out .. for i believe this is what it's all about ...
My question is,if farmers have access to new,faster genetics,why aren't they growing them pure?
Most of them i think are trying to ....Why hybridize with a longflowering,possibly equitorial variety?...
probably becouse local plants knocked up the foreign ladies...(accident 
)though they do still manicure the buds before pressing or bricking.
That's what i'm talking about .. probably u are smoking a brickweed of Arjans Ultra Haze # ? .. jejeje .. or if u lucky a descent skunk hybrid..And,since they also have to produce seed for the next crop,...
i dont think so .. i think they buy feminized now..
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Not sure how old Arjans Haze is,but our brick has been manicure for more than 25 years now,that I know of.I've only seen commercial brick once.Barely compressed,full of stems,seeds and shade leaves.The Mexi brick I know and have known is not trashy.It's mostly mids,but not trashy.
(Edit)The commercial brick was divided by hand.I have had to resort to a hacksaw and ice pick with Mexi.
The hybrids almost always grow out to be skunky smelling,afghani hybrids I assume..The more sativa types finish just right,prolly americana.But there are some that barely begin flowering and can grow to be 20 ft. or more.Few grow into pretty plants and almost none have an abundance of trichs,but are very potent all the same.I would think commercial weed would at least produce trich coated plants in at least some of it's offspring.I don't know.That's why I'm asking.Lol
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(Edit)The commercial brick was divided by hand.I have had to resort to a hacksaw and ice pick with Mexi.
The hybrids almost always grow out to be skunky smelling,afghani hybrids I assume..The more sativa types finish just right,prolly americana.But there are some that barely begin flowering and can grow to be 20 ft. or more.Few grow into pretty plants and almost none have an abundance of trichs,but are very potent all the same.I would think commercial weed would at least produce trich coated plants in at least some of it's offspring.I don't know.That's why I'm asking.Lol
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well I gotta chime in here. I don't know that electro is wrong but I certainly disagree with him.
its anyones guess what might've happened but this is my guess.
1) they aren't growing the faster genetics pure because they aren't accustomed to the local climate. You've gotta realise a vast majority of the marijuana grow regions of mexico are flowering plants small. if you ever see pictures of mexican marijuana commercial fields they look like jamaica. similiar flower seasons. The indicas are too small, and get screwed up in the heat and humidity. a direct hybrid is still probably too indica or perhaps has uneven flower times.
IMHO most are probably 25% indica. or less nowadays. Years ago they crossed them. then crossed them back to the original stock they liked. shortening the flower time, getting bigger easier to trim buds, smaller easier to hide plants, and they acclimated in the process.
Also don't forget how much seeds weigh. if its expected in the weed you sell as long as it isn't too seedy that adds alot of weight per lb. (and ironically sensi mexi doesn't seem to command much higher price unless its better quality anyway; not adjusted for seed weight)
They don't have to worry about killin EVERY male, just 90% of them. plus the variety of seeds assures they'll have plants that do what they want.
people don't realize but alot of mexi pot is highly adapted. I have one that I'm pretty sure is adapted to either being grown under thick canopy or in mountain crevaces. heat doesn't hurt it but more than a couple hours of light and the leaves wilt. its really weird. if you didn't know better you'd think it was just bunk but its great for fringes of lights or under trees.
but I don't think hardly any of it is dutch and certainly not feminized. what indicas have been there I think have been there since they came. the regular old indicas of the late 80's early 90s. the super cheap indicas nobody thinks about much anymore. viking (top 44), hollands hope, the first skunks. stuff like that.
but in the world of mexican commercial pot. honestly... who knows?
its anyones guess what might've happened but this is my guess.
1) they aren't growing the faster genetics pure because they aren't accustomed to the local climate. You've gotta realise a vast majority of the marijuana grow regions of mexico are flowering plants small. if you ever see pictures of mexican marijuana commercial fields they look like jamaica. similiar flower seasons. The indicas are too small, and get screwed up in the heat and humidity. a direct hybrid is still probably too indica or perhaps has uneven flower times.
IMHO most are probably 25% indica. or less nowadays. Years ago they crossed them. then crossed them back to the original stock they liked. shortening the flower time, getting bigger easier to trim buds, smaller easier to hide plants, and they acclimated in the process.
Also don't forget how much seeds weigh. if its expected in the weed you sell as long as it isn't too seedy that adds alot of weight per lb. (and ironically sensi mexi doesn't seem to command much higher price unless its better quality anyway; not adjusted for seed weight)
They don't have to worry about killin EVERY male, just 90% of them. plus the variety of seeds assures they'll have plants that do what they want.
people don't realize but alot of mexi pot is highly adapted. I have one that I'm pretty sure is adapted to either being grown under thick canopy or in mountain crevaces. heat doesn't hurt it but more than a couple hours of light and the leaves wilt. its really weird. if you didn't know better you'd think it was just bunk but its great for fringes of lights or under trees.
but I don't think hardly any of it is dutch and certainly not feminized. what indicas have been there I think have been there since they came. the regular old indicas of the late 80's early 90s. the super cheap indicas nobody thinks about much anymore. viking (top 44), hollands hope, the first skunks. stuff like that.
but in the world of mexican commercial pot. honestly... who knows?
see these fields. this one is from this year (sorry forgot whose pic this is but thank you) in chihuahua and the older one is from the mid 80s I think. but you see the plants are alot different than what alot of people picture for mexi sats.
alot of people picture 15-20 ft towering christmas trees and no doubt some areas do grow like that. but most are alot more jamaica-esque. foggy mountain hillsides, 3-4 ft SOG plants.
alot of people picture 15-20 ft towering christmas trees and no doubt some areas do grow like that. but most are alot more jamaica-esque. foggy mountain hillsides, 3-4 ft SOG plants.
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Hey Motaco!!
You get a hog yet?
This is my sativa pheno that didn't get all seeded up. She is still a going in flower. This might be a good plant if she keeps gaining weight and trics. Colas are looking good for such a big plant in my 400W grow. Her buds are denser than my last SSH pheno...and bigger. This plant has bigger/better "interior" buds than my last one because I kept the middle of the plant open more to the light LST'in it like I did. Trics not very impressive so far though. However, there's more on there than my poor photography shows. The "interior" parts of the bud are nicely tric'd though.
Pedro
SSH6 on Day 91 of flower
You get a hog yet?
This is my sativa pheno that didn't get all seeded up. She is still a going in flower. This might be a good plant if she keeps gaining weight and trics. Colas are looking good for such a big plant in my 400W grow. Her buds are denser than my last SSH pheno...and bigger. This plant has bigger/better "interior" buds than my last one because I kept the middle of the plant open more to the light LST'in it like I did. Trics not very impressive so far though. However, there's more on there than my poor photography shows. The "interior" parts of the bud are nicely tric'd though.
Pedro
SSH6 on Day 91 of flower
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wow. they look pretty good to me!
no, no hog yet. I hunt public land so I really need to get off my ass and go find some private land I can hunt on year round. you can hunt hog year round in this state, but only during deer season on public land
right now I'm just hunting cotton mouths. I wanna find a pretty banded young male to back my bow with.
no, no hog yet. I hunt public land so I really need to get off my ass and go find some private land I can hunt on year round. you can hunt hog year round in this state, but only during deer season on public land
right now I'm just hunting cotton mouths. I wanna find a pretty banded young male to back my bow with.
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Oh I know all about hunting public land and what you face....back east I did. Out here it is WAY better. I have nearly 500,000 acres of public land withing an hour or so driving. Out here I can still be alone....no pigs here though
I used to catch snakes of all kinds growing up in central Florida and living on a lake(unpolluted at that time) We had it all alligator snapping turtles,gators, snakes, loads of water snakes of 4-5 species, and of course we had some world class cotton mouths. Eastern Diamond Backs are the largest of rattlesnakes and I've seen some HUGE ones. I've caught a number of small ones, up to 4 feet or so. My dad wouldn't let me keep poisonous snakes. Some I made hatbands out of them in those days....most I turned loose. I kept pretty much everything else I caught...for a while...till it escaped or I got bored and turned it loose. But you're right, the younger ones have nicer skins. The old ones, at least in Florida, got fat and dark with age. I only caught a few, and only when I was older, like 16-17. Cottonmouths are nothing to trifle with. They are very fast and have a very nasty bite. Flesh begins to get necrotic and gangrenous very quickly compared to say, a rattler(which has it's own bad aspects depending on species) Be careful fucking with them my friend....as I know you will be. They do make great backings, snake skins. A guy here locally has done some really nice backings with rattlesnake skins here.
I feel sad for kids today. Most will never have the opportunity to catch critters and keep them like I did. I see kids around here nowdays who are scared shitless of animals native to the area. Some of the wildest country in America is minutes away from here...and kids born here will never set foot in it. That's very sad.
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I used to catch snakes of all kinds growing up in central Florida and living on a lake(unpolluted at that time) We had it all alligator snapping turtles,gators, snakes, loads of water snakes of 4-5 species, and of course we had some world class cotton mouths. Eastern Diamond Backs are the largest of rattlesnakes and I've seen some HUGE ones. I've caught a number of small ones, up to 4 feet or so. My dad wouldn't let me keep poisonous snakes. Some I made hatbands out of them in those days....most I turned loose. I kept pretty much everything else I caught...for a while...till it escaped or I got bored and turned it loose. But you're right, the younger ones have nicer skins. The old ones, at least in Florida, got fat and dark with age. I only caught a few, and only when I was older, like 16-17. Cottonmouths are nothing to trifle with. They are very fast and have a very nasty bite. Flesh begins to get necrotic and gangrenous very quickly compared to say, a rattler(which has it's own bad aspects depending on species) Be careful fucking with them my friend....as I know you will be. They do make great backings, snake skins. A guy here locally has done some really nice backings with rattlesnake skins here.
I feel sad for kids today. Most will never have the opportunity to catch critters and keep them like I did. I see kids around here nowdays who are scared shitless of animals native to the area. Some of the wildest country in America is minutes away from here...and kids born here will never set foot in it. That's very sad.
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Asher!!
That looks AWESOME!! Is all that haze? what strain?
I wanna dive in there but that wouldn't be a very good move LOL!!!
Pedro
That looks AWESOME!! Is all that haze? what strain?
I wanna dive in there but that wouldn't be a very good move LOL!!!
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ha wally i think many aussies don't relise what there holding and growing in short a lot that don't log on to canna sites don't think the sativas they are growing are basically going the way of the dodo.
I did not know this my self until i started to read and work things out from 2002 and on so.
I know there are many sats from all over the world still being grown here only thing we can do is basically collect shear and educate the others that don't understand or know about strain loss and how valuable some of the lines there holding and growing are.
Hiya motaco good to see you on i don't know to much about mex mj other than a few lines i saw growing here decades ago but i do know it was up there with some of the best sativas im sure there still being grown in house by some.
Looking at the field of plants could it be lack of water that is keeping them short as it looks real dry as i have seen sativas grown in areas that i did not think a plant could grow but they stayed short yet the same plants grown in less ared conditions grew huge and yielded big.
I did not know this my self until i started to read and work things out from 2002 and on so.
I know there are many sats from all over the world still being grown here only thing we can do is basically collect shear and educate the others that don't understand or know about strain loss and how valuable some of the lines there holding and growing are.
Hiya motaco good to see you on i don't know to much about mex mj other than a few lines i saw growing here decades ago but i do know it was up there with some of the best sativas im sure there still being grown in house by some.
Looking at the field of plants could it be lack of water that is keeping them short as it looks real dry as i have seen sativas grown in areas that i did not think a plant could grow but they stayed short yet the same plants grown in less ared conditions grew huge and yielded big.
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