ya unfortunately it is going to take them till next year to get the rules for licensed rec growers, and even then they will probably limit the amount of state sanctioned growers to keep the price artificially high.
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ya unfortunately it is going to take them till next year to get the rules for licensed rec growers, and even then they will probably limit the amount of state sanctioned growers to keep the price artificially high.
Today on the local news (Los Angeles) they had a segment with a former 'high' level executive from Microsoft. He plans to set up smoking lounges/clubs. We shall see...
Nirvana_Papaya
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^there is membership laws in texas counties like this for drinking. so a private company just formed a state wide club that anyone over 21 could join by just filling out a small card and the waiter could bring it to you and the restaurant would send it and let you keep a copy in your wallet good in all bars in the county.
dang, makes me miss washington so much..wish I could come up and visit and look at the Space Needle and all the cool stuff there like the pier and all the fish markets..that was so badass. I remember going hiking on some trails up there and getting really creeped out knowing about how like..creepy the place was...? I dunno..I used to get creeped the fuck out if I went anywhere away from work or much farther than my aprtment at certain times of night. There was like this wooded area behind my aprtment hidden by a fence that went around the parking lot. I remember distinctly one night seeing some super sketchy shit go down back there..it was just uber creepy for me being so young at the time (18,19)..just out of high school and being like, one of the gamer nerd dudes, thinking Seattle is gonna be awesome! get there and within like..I dunno, a few nights, I was totally creepafied to go outside after like 9 or 10..even to smoke a cigarette, I was like "no way man, too many weirdos around."..I had friends over and they were just used to it..? I dunno..it was a different vibe thats for sure.
GanjaPharma
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http://www.king5.com/news/marijuana/Olympia-bar-owner-allowing-customers-to-smoke-pot-182614711.html
guy has a $10/year membership fee so folks can smoke upstairs from his bar (in what looks an awfull lot like another bar)
went to court w the state and they ruled in his favor.
now he says...o well, private club right? go ahead and blaze ganja!
so it begins...
guy has a $10/year membership fee so folks can smoke upstairs from his bar (in what looks an awfull lot like another bar)
went to court w the state and they ruled in his favor.
now he says...o well, private club right? go ahead and blaze ganja!
so it begins...
el bee
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Legalization as proposed by 502 is a step.....BUT,...a 25% sin tax and an absurd and arbitrary 5 nanograms DUI standard for a substance that metabolizes (differently among different people) for days after ingestion must NEVER be accepted by those formulating or voting for future legislation.
This is why bills of all types are voted down at all levels of law-making. Bad ideas in bills with good intentions.....EQUAL bad bills. Compromise is one thing, but poorly conceived or written laws deserve to be unsupported. This forces new generations/iterations of HOPEFULLY/IDEALLY better bills.
Prohibition and its ills are a historic travesty for country and citizen alike, BUT...bad laws are bad laws. I'd rather get it right, rather than establish a poor precedent to placate the prohibitionists and politicians pandering to the poorly educated people perpetuating propaganda formulated in an era when women and minorities couldn't vote....WHAT?
This is why bills of all types are voted down at all levels of law-making. Bad ideas in bills with good intentions.....EQUAL bad bills. Compromise is one thing, but poorly conceived or written laws deserve to be unsupported. This forces new generations/iterations of HOPEFULLY/IDEALLY better bills.
Prohibition and its ills are a historic travesty for country and citizen alike, BUT...bad laws are bad laws. I'd rather get it right, rather than establish a poor precedent to placate the prohibitionists and politicians pandering to the poorly educated people perpetuating propaganda formulated in an era when women and minorities couldn't vote....WHAT?
el bee
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AND....you can't even grow your own! That is some mafia shit. It's all good as long as we are the only ones who deliver this profit generating service.....HAHAHAHAHAHA!
I have a yard, water, and seed. The sun is free, but I must pay to grow a plant.....WHAT?
Gardening is a natural progression for most of those that enjoy cannabis, AND the most logical. Why pay for what I can produce and share.....abundance is the natural evolution of this process.
GROW. SHARE. ENJOY.
I have a yard, water, and seed. The sun is free, but I must pay to grow a plant.....WHAT?
Gardening is a natural progression for most of those that enjoy cannabis, AND the most logical. Why pay for what I can produce and share.....abundance is the natural evolution of this process.
GROW. SHARE. ENJOY.
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^I actually have a really good Idea for one of those.
Frankie's sports bar in Olympia to allow pot smoking
BY JEREMY PAWLOSKI | Staff writer • Published December 06, 2012
91 Comments
Frank Schnarr is inviting pot smokers to head on over to Frankie's Sports Bar & Grill on Pacific Avenue in Olympia, where, he claims, they can toke up legally on his second floor after paying $10 in annual dues to become "Friends of Frankie's" and members of his private club.
Schnarr, who has never shied away from controversy, said he believes members can smoke legally on the second floor because it is a private club, and members who light up a joint would not be in conflict with state law after voters overwhelmingly passed Initiative 502 in November. I-502, which was enacted Thursday, allows adults 21 years of age and over to legally smoke marijuana in Washington state.
It's the same legal theory Schnarr used to fight, and win, in his battle to allow patrons of his establishment to smoke cigarettes on the second-floor of Frankie's, and in a private smoking room adjacent to the bar on the first floor.
"Sixty percent of my customers already smoke (marijuana) in the parking lot before they come in here," Schnarr said Thursday. "Nothing will change. Now it will be indoors."
A sign outside Frankie's advertises the establishment's new policy of inviting pot smokers to toke up on the second floor. "Come support the state's new revenue," reads the sign. "Rec use on 2nd floor. Members FOF."
Schnarr's attorney, Shawn Newman, said his client consulted with him before deciding to allow pot smoking at Frankie's. "He's in a very unique position to accommodate this new activity," Newman said. "As an entrepreneur he's taking advantage of the new law."
Olympia City Attorney Tom Morrill had little to say about Schnarr's decision to allow pot smoking on the second floor.
"At this point, I don't have anything to say other than that we're looking at all the new laws," Morrill said. "It's still a federal violation, and he's taking whatever risk he wants to take."
Responding to Morrill's comment, Newman said, "Frank's a risk-taker. To say the least."
In addition to winning a legal battle that allowed him to let Frankie's members to smoke cigarettes there, Schnarr also for a time hired bikini-clad bartenders and cocktail waitresses, although that practice was discontinued about a year ago.
Schnarr, 62, said he hasn't himself smoked marijuana since he was in the Army in the 70s, when he was stationed in Thailand, Laos and Cambodia. He said the decision to allow marijuana smoking at Frankie's is a "100 percent economic decision," to boost revenue. He said that ever since the state allowed Indian casinos, where it is legal to smoke, and which pay no taxes, his profits have shrunk.
"It's a rough business," Schnarr said. "Our state officials don't have a clue what we're going through."
He also said he's supporting the state's decision to boost its own revenue by legalizing marijuana. Schnarr added that he believes patrons who drink too much alcohol will cause him more headaches than marijuana smokers.
Officials at the Washington State Liquor Control Board could not be reached for comment Thursday. The liquor control board is charged with coming up with rules for how individuals can legally grow and sell marijuana with the passage of the new law. Schnarr noted that Frankie's will not engage in either of those activities.
"I follow the law," he said
Read more here: http://www.theolympian.com/2012/12/06/2344718/frankies-sports-bar-in-olympia.html#storylink=cpy
BY JEREMY PAWLOSKI | Staff writer • Published December 06, 2012
91 Comments
Frank Schnarr is inviting pot smokers to head on over to Frankie's Sports Bar & Grill on Pacific Avenue in Olympia, where, he claims, they can toke up legally on his second floor after paying $10 in annual dues to become "Friends of Frankie's" and members of his private club.
Schnarr, who has never shied away from controversy, said he believes members can smoke legally on the second floor because it is a private club, and members who light up a joint would not be in conflict with state law after voters overwhelmingly passed Initiative 502 in November. I-502, which was enacted Thursday, allows adults 21 years of age and over to legally smoke marijuana in Washington state.
It's the same legal theory Schnarr used to fight, and win, in his battle to allow patrons of his establishment to smoke cigarettes on the second-floor of Frankie's, and in a private smoking room adjacent to the bar on the first floor.
"Sixty percent of my customers already smoke (marijuana) in the parking lot before they come in here," Schnarr said Thursday. "Nothing will change. Now it will be indoors."
A sign outside Frankie's advertises the establishment's new policy of inviting pot smokers to toke up on the second floor. "Come support the state's new revenue," reads the sign. "Rec use on 2nd floor. Members FOF."
Schnarr's attorney, Shawn Newman, said his client consulted with him before deciding to allow pot smoking at Frankie's. "He's in a very unique position to accommodate this new activity," Newman said. "As an entrepreneur he's taking advantage of the new law."
Olympia City Attorney Tom Morrill had little to say about Schnarr's decision to allow pot smoking on the second floor.
"At this point, I don't have anything to say other than that we're looking at all the new laws," Morrill said. "It's still a federal violation, and he's taking whatever risk he wants to take."
Responding to Morrill's comment, Newman said, "Frank's a risk-taker. To say the least."
In addition to winning a legal battle that allowed him to let Frankie's members to smoke cigarettes there, Schnarr also for a time hired bikini-clad bartenders and cocktail waitresses, although that practice was discontinued about a year ago.
Schnarr, 62, said he hasn't himself smoked marijuana since he was in the Army in the 70s, when he was stationed in Thailand, Laos and Cambodia. He said the decision to allow marijuana smoking at Frankie's is a "100 percent economic decision," to boost revenue. He said that ever since the state allowed Indian casinos, where it is legal to smoke, and which pay no taxes, his profits have shrunk.
"It's a rough business," Schnarr said. "Our state officials don't have a clue what we're going through."
He also said he's supporting the state's decision to boost its own revenue by legalizing marijuana. Schnarr added that he believes patrons who drink too much alcohol will cause him more headaches than marijuana smokers.
Officials at the Washington State Liquor Control Board could not be reached for comment Thursday. The liquor control board is charged with coming up with rules for how individuals can legally grow and sell marijuana with the passage of the new law. Schnarr noted that Frankie's will not engage in either of those activities.
"I follow the law," he said
Read more here: http://www.theolympian.com/2012/12/06/2344718/frankies-sports-bar-in-olympia.html#storylink=cpy
Yesterday on Yahoo "NEWS"? they ran a story with something like "First Day of Pot Legalization Marred by Two Deaths at Growing Center". The story was actually about a home invasion near Seattle and the home-owner shot and killed the intruders then the cops found weed growing in his attic. What growing center? It was some guys attic. What mar of day? What did that have to do with pot becoming legal in Washington? WTF? What a waste of time reading that trash. Tell me there's no bias and bullshit reporting.
well shit im supposed to go to seattle in a few weeks to see family, but now im hesitant b/c i ALWAYS have high levels of thc in me and if i get pulled over and tested for whatever reason, im goin down for waaay more than 5ng/ml
not sure what to do perhaps ill take greyhound.?.but you cant bring dogs!! this sucks
not sure what to do perhaps ill take greyhound.?.but you cant bring dogs!! this sucks
The Dope Dilemma: Washington state's new marijuana law raises questions
The Dope Dilemma: Washington state's new marijuana law raises questions
SEATTLE -- People openly lit joints under the Space Needle and on Seattle's sidewalks -- then blew the smoke at TV news cameras. To those looking to "get baked," the city's police department suggested pizza and a "Lord of the Rings" movie marathon.
What, exactly, is going on in Washington state?
Marijuana possession became legal under state law Thursday, the day a measure approved by voters to regulate marijuana like alcohol took effect. It prompted midnight celebrations from pot activists who say the war on drugs has failed.
But as the dawn of legalization arrives, Washington and Colorado, where a similar law passed last month, now face some genuinely complicated dilemmas: How on Earth do you go about creating a functioning, legal weed market? How do you ensure adults the freedom to use pot responsibly, or not so responsibly, while keeping it away from teenagers?
And perhaps most pressingly, will the Justice Department just stand by while the states issue licenses to the growers, processors and sellers of a substance that, under federal law, remains very much illegal?
"We're building this from the ground all the way up," said Brian Smith, spokesman for the Washington Liquor Control Board, which is charged with regulating the drug. "The initiative didn't just wave a magic wand and make everybody here an expert on marijuana."
The measures approved Nov. 6 have two main facets. First, they OK the possession of up to an ounce of marijuana by adults over 21. That took effect Thursday in Washington, though it remains illegal -- for now -- to sell pot, so people have to keep getting it from the marijuana fairy.
In Colorado, where pot fans will also be able to grow their own plants, the law takes effect by Jan. 5.
The other part of the measures, the regulatory schemes, are trickier. Washington's Liquor Control Board, which has been regulating alcohol for 78 years, has a year to adopt rules for the fledgling pot industry: How many growers, processors and stores should there be in each county? Should there be limits on potency? How should the pot be inspected, packaged and labeled?
To help answer those questions, officials will turn to experts in the field -- including police, public policy experts and some of the state's many purveyors of medical marijuana. Smith anticipates undercover monitoring operations to make sure the private, state-licensed stores aren't selling to minors.
With legalization, officials need to look at some of the measures that have been shown to reduce teen drinking, said Derek Franklin, president of the Washington Association for Substance Abuse and Violence Prevention. That includes public education about the risks of pot use and driving while stoned, emphasize patrols to look for stoned drivers, and encouraging cities to adopt laws that hold parents accountable if they host parties at which kids are provided marijuana.
"We're really going to need to get all hands on deck to sort through this," he said.
The marijuana will be taxed heavily, with revenues possibly reaching hundreds of millions of dollars a year for schools, health care, basic government services and substance abuse prevention.
Unless, of course, the Justice Department has something to say about it.
Few people question the states' ability to simply remove all penalties under their own laws for marijuana. The federal government would remain free to raid state-licensed growers or stores and prosecute those involved in federal court, just as they remain free to shut down medical marijuana dispensaries in states with medical marijuana laws.
Whether a state can regulate an illegal substance is another question. Many constitutional law scholars say the answer is no: Washington and Colorado's regulatory schemes obviously conflict with marijuana's prohibition in the federal Controlled Substances Act, and when state and federal laws conflict, the feds win out, they say.
So the Justice Department could likely sue to block the regulatory schemes. But will it? What's better, from the administration's perspective -- an ounce of weed legalized with regulation or an ounce of weed legalized with no oversight?
The department has given no hints about its plans.
While pot fans wait for an answer, they are partying. Though Washington's law prohibits smoking in public, about 200 gathered under the Space Needle for a New Year's Eve-style countdown to midnight. A few dozen gathered on a sidewalk outside the north Seattle headquarters of the annual Hempfest celebration and did the same, offering joints to reporters.
Officers will nevertheless advise people not to smoke in public, police spokesman Jonah Spangenthal-Lee wrote on the SPD Blotter. "The police department believes that, under state law, you may responsibly get baked, order some pizzas and enjoy a 'Lord of the Rings' marathon in the privacy of your own home, if you want to."
The Dope Dilemma: Washington state's new marijuana law raises questions
SEATTLE -- People openly lit joints under the Space Needle and on Seattle's sidewalks -- then blew the smoke at TV news cameras. To those looking to "get baked," the city's police department suggested pizza and a "Lord of the Rings" movie marathon.
What, exactly, is going on in Washington state?
Marijuana possession became legal under state law Thursday, the day a measure approved by voters to regulate marijuana like alcohol took effect. It prompted midnight celebrations from pot activists who say the war on drugs has failed.
But as the dawn of legalization arrives, Washington and Colorado, where a similar law passed last month, now face some genuinely complicated dilemmas: How on Earth do you go about creating a functioning, legal weed market? How do you ensure adults the freedom to use pot responsibly, or not so responsibly, while keeping it away from teenagers?
And perhaps most pressingly, will the Justice Department just stand by while the states issue licenses to the growers, processors and sellers of a substance that, under federal law, remains very much illegal?
"We're building this from the ground all the way up," said Brian Smith, spokesman for the Washington Liquor Control Board, which is charged with regulating the drug. "The initiative didn't just wave a magic wand and make everybody here an expert on marijuana."
The measures approved Nov. 6 have two main facets. First, they OK the possession of up to an ounce of marijuana by adults over 21. That took effect Thursday in Washington, though it remains illegal -- for now -- to sell pot, so people have to keep getting it from the marijuana fairy.
In Colorado, where pot fans will also be able to grow their own plants, the law takes effect by Jan. 5.
The other part of the measures, the regulatory schemes, are trickier. Washington's Liquor Control Board, which has been regulating alcohol for 78 years, has a year to adopt rules for the fledgling pot industry: How many growers, processors and stores should there be in each county? Should there be limits on potency? How should the pot be inspected, packaged and labeled?
To help answer those questions, officials will turn to experts in the field -- including police, public policy experts and some of the state's many purveyors of medical marijuana. Smith anticipates undercover monitoring operations to make sure the private, state-licensed stores aren't selling to minors.
With legalization, officials need to look at some of the measures that have been shown to reduce teen drinking, said Derek Franklin, president of the Washington Association for Substance Abuse and Violence Prevention. That includes public education about the risks of pot use and driving while stoned, emphasize patrols to look for stoned drivers, and encouraging cities to adopt laws that hold parents accountable if they host parties at which kids are provided marijuana.
"We're really going to need to get all hands on deck to sort through this," he said.
The marijuana will be taxed heavily, with revenues possibly reaching hundreds of millions of dollars a year for schools, health care, basic government services and substance abuse prevention.
Unless, of course, the Justice Department has something to say about it.
Few people question the states' ability to simply remove all penalties under their own laws for marijuana. The federal government would remain free to raid state-licensed growers or stores and prosecute those involved in federal court, just as they remain free to shut down medical marijuana dispensaries in states with medical marijuana laws.
Whether a state can regulate an illegal substance is another question. Many constitutional law scholars say the answer is no: Washington and Colorado's regulatory schemes obviously conflict with marijuana's prohibition in the federal Controlled Substances Act, and when state and federal laws conflict, the feds win out, they say.
So the Justice Department could likely sue to block the regulatory schemes. But will it? What's better, from the administration's perspective -- an ounce of weed legalized with regulation or an ounce of weed legalized with no oversight?
The department has given no hints about its plans.
While pot fans wait for an answer, they are partying. Though Washington's law prohibits smoking in public, about 200 gathered under the Space Needle for a New Year's Eve-style countdown to midnight. A few dozen gathered on a sidewalk outside the north Seattle headquarters of the annual Hempfest celebration and did the same, offering joints to reporters.
Officers will nevertheless advise people not to smoke in public, police spokesman Jonah Spangenthal-Lee wrote on the SPD Blotter. "The police department believes that, under state law, you may responsibly get baked, order some pizzas and enjoy a 'Lord of the Rings' marathon in the privacy of your own home, if you want to."
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texsativa
So long as you don't drive high reaking of weed I don't think this will be a big issue. Yes sir, no sir, thank you sir.
Even in wrecks, with no suspicion of drugs, blood testing is not done. Now if you have a bong belted up in the passenger seat, well, that's not good. Same with a cooler full of beer in the backseat.
By the way, I think that is fightable in a court of law. Blood levels do not prove intoxication. For one, it does not take into account tolerance. I am no lawyer though. But I would find one if ever in that situation.
There will always be those that think it is never enough, not good enough. I prefer to be happy with progress of any amount. In the real world, mature people understand that change can be small. You have to have the maturity to recognize that it is better than it use to be.
A video of Frankies Sport bar, the first American indoor smoking bar in the Capitol city of Oylmpia Washington, the Evergreen State
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Olympia-bar-owner-allowing-customers-to-smoke-pot-182614711.html
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Olympia-bar-owner-allowing-customers-to-smoke-pot-182614711.html
What if you formed a private club and charged a membership for access' you could have all the smoking tools, it'd be like a gym for stoners.
Lol went back and saw it looks like Frankie had the same loophole idea.
I still think a club for stoners would be sweet though
I still think a club for stoners would be sweet though
