Refusing Knock & Talk's?

[Verite]

??? Both sound a tad far fetched for me. For one check the Cali laws again. Possession of under 28.5 grams is still a crime, may not be an arrestable offense its still allowed to be investigated as a crime. If the officer 'saw' it and smelled it then Im not sure where exactly he broke protocol to get it tossed out.

Secondly I dont care who your landlord is and what state your in but you dont have to answer your door to nobody. Any landlord in any state must give notice to want to enter your property and any cop still needs a warrant, a landlord cant let the police into your place. You are severely misinformed about the laws there since its not possible for Oregon to be some stronghold where the constitution is ignored and you may want to peek and tell us what part of the constitution says you can play hackysack where ever the fart you feel like it.

 

[Deft]

Peep through the viewing hole, see its a cop, walk to your tv turn it on and watch some toob... Cop is shut down, I've done this twice already with cops (probably just local burglaries as they are common here) but since I smoke I don't want any chance of anything happening.

It works on those proclaimed crack head magazine salesmen too!

 

[SomeGuy]

Peep through the viewing hole, see its a cop, walk to your tv turn it on and watch some toob... Cop is shut down, I've done this twice already with cops (probably just local burglaries as they are common here) but since I smoke I don't want any chance of anything happening.

It works on those proclaimed crack head magazine salesmen too!

I do it to people that I know!
You don't just show up at some guys house unannounced. When I was younger I put up with it and soon ended up with 4-5 guys at my place drinking beer, smoking reefer and playing video games every friggin day. It was fun for awhile but I guess you grow up and things change.

 

[zeeba amoeba]

I do it to people that I know!
You don't just show up at some guys house unannounced. When I was younger I put up with it and soon ended up with 4-5 guys at my place drinking beer, smoking reefer and playing video games every friggin day. It was fun for awhile but I guess you grow up and things change.

I just answer the door, because I don't have anything to hide. If I don't want somebody to invite themselves in, then they will get the news loud and clear. I enjoy messing with the missionaries and salesmen. If I never answered the door I'd miss out on $$$, there was one neighbor who I didn't even recognize, but I answered the door and he offered me $90 just to help him pick up a moped. If I was all paranoid and afraid to answer, then I'd be $90 poorer.

You just never know what people want. It depends on where you live. When I used to live in a ghetto area, there were one or two black guys that knocked on my door asking me for money. I've been hit up by black guys for money at least twenty times in my life. It never fails, they always come up to me and ask. I must have the "look". I guess they think I'm going to give them money out of white guilt or because I'm scared, but they soon learn otherwise. The only time white guys hit me up for money was in San Francisco, and they didn't get anything either. I'm for equal opportunity.

 

[TGT]

It could have been black guys, white guys, arabs, jews, mexicans, italians - what ever. I don't think you should label a group just because of their colour or race - but I am sure you didn't mean it that way. Peace.

TGT

 

[zeeba amoeba]

It could have been black guys, white guys, arabs, jews, mexicans, italians - what ever. I don't think you should label a group just because of their colour or race - but I am sure you didn't mean it that way. Peace.

TGT

There just happened to be a lot of poor black guys in this hood. I opened the door one Saturday afternoon and there was this 6'4" big muscled guy, he said he was down on his luck and needed some cash. I told him I couldn't spare any. He started giving me his sob story and I said, look I gotta go. That was that. But I couldn't help but wonder, a big guy like that, he can't find a way to make dough? Then I realized, he was probably willing to "work" for the money. On the down low.

That was a bad neighborhood. Even my real estate agent used to try to talk sense into me, not to buy it, but I was determined to live in the big city and wouldn't listen to reason. The white lady living above me used to fuck her brains out on the weekends, which made it hard to get to sleep. Sometimes I didn't even see anybody up there, so obviously she was using the dildo. Shit her fucking shook the wall, it was so violent, and she moaned like a heifer. Anyways I could tolerate that, but then her toilet overflowed and the water leaked through my ceiling. I guess she had thrown one too many condoms in the can. She wouldn't pay for the damages either until I got nasty, and then she settled.

Then after i got out of Dodge and tried to rent the place out, it was a circus show of just one joker after another.

Moral of the story, don't buy a home in the ghetto. Rent. If you pay your rent on time your landlord will love you and probably cut you a break and look the other way on a bunch of shit. I know I got so desperate there I wasn't even checking people's credit before they moved in. I took the first renter that had $1500 cash...

 

[ExEcutioner]

I just answer the door, because I don't have anything to hide. If I don't want somebody to invite themselves in, then they will get the news loud and clear. I enjoy messing with the missionaries and salesmen. If I never answered the door I'd miss out on $$$, there was one neighbor who I didn't even recognize, but I answered the door and he offered me $90 just to help him pick up a moped. If I was all paranoid and afraid to answer, then I'd be $90 poorer.

You just never know what people want. It depends on where you live. When I used to live in a ghetto area, there were one or two black guys that knocked on my door asking me for money. I've been hit up by black guys for money at least twenty times in my life. It never fails, they always come up to me and ask. I must have the "look". I guess they think I'm going to give them money out of white guilt or because I'm scared, but they soon learn otherwise. The only time white guys hit me up for money was in San Francisco, and they didn't get anything either. I'm for equal opportunity.

LOLOLOLOLOL

I almost took offense to that, LOL ALMOST- And oh yea- you should have fucked that moaning bitch above you LOL

 

[zeeba amoeba]

LOLOLOLOLOL

I almost took offense to that, LOL ALMOST- And oh yea- you should have fucked that moaning bitch above you LOL

She was like 150 lbs heavier than me, and I'm just not into big butts. I mean what if she fell on top of me, I could break my back. Anyway it was an interesting neighborhood to live in, I never had any trouble other than ppl hitting me up for money (and it wasn't like I drove a Mercedes either, I had a shit car that was falling apart). The only bitterness I have is after I moved out, when I got stiffed on the rent. It was an unpleasant experience, I had to evict somebody right at Christmas time when I should have been thinking about silver bells and apple pie and that kind of shit.

 

[_Dude]

This all depends depends on what country you live in, and your neighbourhood too. Frankly, it's culturally relative. If you live in the US, especially somewhere a bit rough like Inglewood, then not answering the door, or talking through it, is probably going to be looked at as fairly normal. Americans have clearly different attitudes to the police, guns, and privacy. But if you tried that shit in a middle-upper class neighbourhood in Sydney's East you'd just be raising red flags. Most of your neighbours would be offering them a coffee, so stepping out for a chat would be a lot better than telling them to fuck off and get a warrent, lol.

I don't see the point of playing the game, unless you know for a fact they've seen you enter within the last ten seconds or so.

How do they know you're home? How do they know you aren't on the crapper with dysentery, or in your bed with a raging migraine, or listening to your headphones with the volume dialed up?

Fuck 'em, I see no point to answering the door or even offering proof you're home/awake/aware of their presence at all.

 

[minigreens]

i need to install a peephole asap

for now i just wouldnt answer the door. none of my friends come over unannounced but
my gf sometimes will come home and be lazy and just knock instead of getting her keys out. she always knocks loud too and when i let her in shes like 'jeez youre so paranoid'

still startles me when she does that shit haha

 

[yamaha_1fan]

i need to install a peephole asap

still startles me when she does that shit haha

You aint the only one. UPS guy leaves stuff all the time. Last time he knocked, dogs went crazy and my heart skipped a beat till I saw him.

 

[Hawk]

One thing I've learned about peep holes is light goes through them both ways. You may not be able to see in but you can see light. So when you put your face up to see who's out there, on the outside the person can tell someone is looking through. The brighter it is in the house the easier it is to tell. That's how mine is anyway. I'd like to have some kind of mirrored/smoked lens on the outside part to prevent that.

I learned this when a summons was trying to be served for a camera speeding ticket. The server (an experienced peep hole'r, I'm sure) would wave as soon as I looked through the peep hole. It was clear he could tell someone was looking through at him.

I guess it probably doesn't really matter. But still, I just assume no one know I'm looking back at them through my peep hole.

 

[Pythagllio]

Tape a 3 x 5 index card over your peephole. Lift it up to look out when someone is on your stoop. That will prevent the light problem.

 

[Hawk]

Tape a 3 x 5 index card over your peephole. Lift it up to look out when someone is on your stoop. That will prevent the light problem.

So you're thinking if I get my face close to the peeper, remove the card to look, and replace the card before I move my face--from the outside one couldn't tell I just looked through? I could see that as long as the lights in the home weren't very bright.

Someone must make a peep hole that eliminates this issue.

 

[EasyBakeIndica]

Having a covered peephole is a reason that cops will give to get a warrant.

Dealers used to hook-up cameras to their peepholes. Having surveillance equipment is another reason they will give.

Usually, judges will happily grant them.

If you haven't invited anyone into your home, and you're not expecting a knock, I'd ignore it all together. If they need to get in touch, they'll leave a note.

 

[green_tea]

bullshit, no respectable judge would give a cop a warrant with the basis because he has a "security camera" on the premise

 

[EasyBakeIndica]

bullshit, no respectable judge would give a cop a warrant with the basis because he has a "security camera" on the premise

I like your qualifier: 'respectable'. Respectable from whose point of view?

Ignore me all you like. All the police have to do is give a list of reasons why they suspect there is a specific illegal activity taking place. Aggressive dogs, security cameras, and fortified doors are all reasons, which have given police what they need to get a warrant.

Also, having extra air-conditioning units in your yard is grounds for a search warrant. I bet you think that's bullshit too. You probably think it's bullshit that police get search warrants based on the testimonies of liars and thieves.

It is easy for police to point out where drug dealers have used these as obstacles for police and robbers, in the past.

See, if they already suspect you of committing a specific criminal activity, all it takes is one flimsy reason to grant the search warrant.

If you decide to check your peephole or answer your door, than don't be surprised when the police immediately kick-in your door and convict you because they were able to claim exigent circumstances.

Remember: Suspicion of Specific Criminal Activity + Probable cause = Search Warrant.

 

[GreenintheThumb]

I'm ganan have to go with EasyBakeIndica on this one. He knows his shit. And usually it'll take more than just one flimsy reason to grant a search warrant but anything they can use against you they will. If they already suspect you of criminal activity all the stupid little shit they put on the warrant helps their case.
Throw away mulch bag after planting new flowers in the front yard, that may show on the warrant. Air conditioner on at 4am, you may see that on the warrant. And security cameras / dogs, you better fucking believe that'll be on the warrant. Now this isn't to say that the police drive around looking at houses with dogs to bust but anything they CAN use against you they WILL. Even though it seems trivial and not much like probable cause it'll be on the warrant. Detectives are human beings and once they suspect you of something they'll use everything in there power to try and stop you. If you put your trash out at 5am on the way to work that'll prob show up in the warrant too. Not much probable cause but they'll use it, may be the straw that broke the camels back as far as a judge finally signing the warrant.

 

[green_tea]

the Bold part is key...

Respectable judge would be someone who actually reads the constitution. (here's to hoping the judges in your county/state are liberal)

Cite me one case where the sole reason the police officers got a warrant was because the accused had a security camera or a dog, or a bag of mulch outside.

Also with AC's, how is a police officer getting evidence that your AC unit was on? (assuming non window AC) Any lawyer worth their salt would have that case thrown out in an instant on the simple fact that if he were able to hear it being on, or get close enough to see that its on, it would mean he is on your property, IE without a warrant. (as long as your AC unit isn't sitting right on your sidewalk or driveway)

cant remember what the name of it is, but its already been held up in the supreme court (boundary around your home, even if it isn't fenced in, just like how a cop couldn't use evidence he found rummaging through your garbage if you haven't taken it out yet, and its not within reach of any public walk area)

I mean of course they are going to use EVERYTHING they can if they already suspect you (say maybe an informant?) but you can always contest the grounds for the search warrant I believe, and if it's as flimsy as "too many AC units" or "he had a big dog" or "a security camera" I'm guessing a lawyer would get that thrown out no problem.

Aguilar-Spinelli test would take effect with regards to a lying informant, as it would be easy for a good lawyer to show in the probable cause hearing that the informant doesn't meet the 2 "prongs" of the test.

But citations would be cool, just to read and be more informed myself.
(I apologize if I come off as a dick in my post(s), not intentional, I just like good discussion, everybody can learn from it!)

 

[Pythagllio]

There's this thing called 'totality of the evidence' where 0+0+0+0+0=probable cause. That's why they put these sniggling little thing in search warrants. It's not likely that the magistrate is going to not rubber stamp an application for a warrant unless the cop says he wants to search because he knows that (members of whatever ethnic group) are known criminals or some such egregious nonsense. It's when it gets to the suppression hearing that these things become important. I do find it doubtful that a warrant would be issued based on just one of the examples above, but security camera, bag of mulch, and an electric bill that's above 'average' will get one in most places. I've always wondered if they include unoccupied homes in the 'average'. House next door has been empty for 2 years but they have the electric on to burn a couple of security lights at night.