Recycled/Reused/ Reammended/Reloaded/ Reupped/Retarded

[Weird]

sorry maybe i missed something, what exactly has TM said that outed as transitional? just the ionic forms? pure fulvic?

mineral ions are no different than the ions in AN bottles

regardless of how they are gotten ionic minerals by pass the exudate and mineral cycle to deliver food right to the plant

totally kosher unless you are feeding from the food soil web mineral cycle such as they do on farms that established similar practices and plied them over many seasons.

Transitional is my favorite methodology to grow with when I control feeding of the plant and I have years of documented transitional plants that I think would be hard to find rivals to. Be glad to show them if anyone wants to see.

The point is this is about learning sustainable organic methodology and more importantly because the value of marijuana it is one of the few crops that allows for people to innovate on the fly and push the technological envelope. No different than the 90's PC market.

It is easy to achieve the same or better numbers with less work and better results overall using LOS but if you are banking on results you will want to have to be experienced of have someone coach you through the process, it is like making a mean from scratch and most people lack the wherewithal to do that on their own. Here people like myself and lappy took the idea and ran with it and share our results.

Now someone creating a business to fill that gap is awesome.

Here is where the bottom falls out.

Either these guys are outright thieves or they have growing success in variable scenarios and with variable inputs with the same and variable cultivars so they continue to tweak and fuck with their methodology adding new techniques that all end into a new and additional product.

If you need to get that fancy to achieve optimal growth you never learned to master the basic components of LOS.

Just like every new grower does when they start and go to the store an buy something new because everything isnt what they think it should be.

The best part is the more complex a system the harder it is to understand what all the variables do so they are delaying mastery at any level because they are making the system more complex to resolve issues they haven't figured out yet.

How much have the recipes "evolved"?

MM had it right, sustainability is about sourcing local/sustainable products in lieu of less sustainable and non sustainable methods.

The deviations that plague the living soil threads all end in someone who plys another method to assure success

Imagine I went to other threads using other methods and called people out for not being sustainable or better yet saw that they were I would use an account here to get business "helping" solve their problems by offering my performance increases promoting my product where it is a rebranded version of what they are already using.

The forum is for open source grow information, the banners up top are for advertising.

 

[Weird]

The fact that I'm testing out a new product in my garden is what magically deems me transitional lol

Seriously though. Back off guys. Team ICMAG coming straight up my ass this week with their misconceptions. For Fucks sake there boys...

you are beta testing a product as an affiliate and promoting it at the same time, that does not scream integrity it screams pay me and it is counter intuitive to promoting LOS information that lets people be self sufficient.

it is ok not to make every interaction a transitional opportunity

 

[Avinash.miles]

The fact that I'm testing out a new product in my garden is what magically deems me transitional lol

Seriously though. Back off guys. Team ICMAG coming straight up my ass this week with their misconceptions. For Fucks sake there boys...

are you saying the shilajit is what you are testing, and that's what's "ionic"
and that's what deems it transitional?

duno what you mean by the team icmag thing,
& i don't see anyone really going "straight up your ass", weird is always a lil rough around the edges but level headed & reasonable for the most part...
he did call you a troll
and compared trolling for biz tantamount to ripping and ratting, which i dropped him a line about...

on the real tho; advertise on icmag support the site

lets all stop wrecking lapides' thread and take these discussions to a thread where they are topical

 

[Team Microbe]

are you saying the shilajit is what you are testing, and that's what's "ionic"
and that's what deems it transitional?

duno what you mean by the team icmag thing,
& i don't see anyone really going "straight up your ass", weird is always a lil rough around the edges but level headed & reasonable for the most part...
he did call you a troll
and compared trolling for biz tantamount to ripping and ratting, which i dropped him a line about...

on the real tho; advertise on icmag support the site

lets all stop wrecking lapides' thread and take these discussions to a thread where they are topical

I was being sarcastic towards Weird, my indoor isn't transitional it's an indoor no till grow. One step into Mikell Land will warrant you another reality however

 

[Mikell]

I work to much to have been much help

I was tempted to offer a hilarious amount of beans for the job.

Hell I only just read all this.

Fuckin' eh though.

 

[who dat is]

Dude where have I been for so long missing out on this fire ass thread? When I have time I'll have to go back through and read it start to finish. Sounds like the dank ass nugs to snakeoil sales pitches ratio is going to be back to normal now too.

Good fucking job Lapides

 

[Welly]

It's not snake oil it is a natural solution imported from a economy where our dollar is much stronger so it leaves that much more room for mark up, that is called entrepreneurial genius in some circles, I am sure Martin Shkreli approves.

what the BAS kids did in the quest for money they couldn't make growing is cause amendments like aloe powder to quintuple in price on outlets like ebay due to pricing trending price reports.

So they DIY movement meant to bring affordable sustainability to every garden is now making the method exclusive due to money value

hey who cares as long as someone id getting paid right?

See that is what happens when you price your produce around a crop like pot and not base your offerings as simple sound foundations of sustainable agriculture. If they can't be used to successfully grow beans at 3$ a pound you prove the lack if integrity in your intention.
.

Spot on analysis. At first I was intrigued by the prospect of using traditional plant medicine in my garden, but it took a whole of two seconds to spot what plant n /TM was up to. Very stereotypical hucksterisms.

Fuck who knows, maybe the stuff really does work, but im not buying the stuff on principle

 

[Welly]

Oh, and you know what?

View Image

hilarious

 

[bucketswithsoil]

hey lapides....
any new pictures of the gals ya got going at the moment...
hope all is good wit cha!!

 

[Lapides]

Thanks for all the responses guys!

bucketswithsoil - I'll try to get some up in the next couple days.

 

[dank.frank]

It was a sales pitch from day ONE. I've held this gem for quite some time...but we all know people who know people.

THIS was submitted to HIGH TIMES - yes, the VERY magazine that group mocked constantly...

This is just the intro:

You’ve finally decided to grow your own. A friend passed you a couple clones, or you’ve ordered some seeds in the mail, and you’re going to be the best goddamned grower there’s ever been. You got a lead on the local hydro store, and with a couple hundred bucks in your pocket, you head down to pick up your nutrients.

You’re less than two feet into the store and you’re already overwhelmed. There are hundreds of bottles—some things you’ve heard of, most you haven’t—and a few of those in small bottles behind the counter that cost more than you’ve got on you. From that day forward, you’re convinced that if only you could work those secret elixirs into your feeding schedule, you’ll be pulling the yields, quality, and potency you’ve been working for.

The worst part is you have no idea what’s in the bottles. Sure, they give you numbers for Nitrogen, Phosphorus, and Potassium, but no one can explain what makes one brand of nutrients better than another, aside from the brand name and the price-tag. You feel like you need an expert—and that’s where the grow store employee starts making recommendations—recommendation s that involve a lot of secret recipes, including some of those tiny pricey bottles behind the counter.

JUST so you know I'm not making this up:

Guess what website is "the living bagged soil" website... HA!



dank.Frank

 

[Avinash.miles]

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Guess what website is "the living bagged soil" website... HA!



dank.Frank

BAS?

 

[who dat is]

BAS?

That's what I was thinking too

 

[Slipnot]

IMO there is a lot of non sense out there, Gardeners seem to have been programmed to buy amendments , peat and are as loyal to these products as some car-buyers used to be about their beloved Pontiac's, there’s simply no need to use it. Chopped leaves make a much better and more attractive mulch, and compost is superior as a soil amendment then anything else out there,
As for reusing synthetic chem fert soils there is a problem with salts can we re-use it sure, but what i found was it did effect plant growth and health.
So re using it should be done wisely i found flushing the medium thoroughly.
Mixing 1/4 of it into new mixture of soil.
Lets face it soil is cheap really so why bother your much safer not possibly transfering some type of pathogen or disease over to next grow and so on

As for organic soils Again i stay away from all the hype of gypsum, dolomite lime bone , blood meal . again sales pitch there is absolutely no need for it .
If you have a decent compost bin throwing all types of organic scraps there is enough there to sustain all species of plants ..
The problem is people are to much in a hurry,, they start making compost and week later want it in there soil mix ph is out of wack so of course they start hammering lime agents etc throwing the whole carbon cycle out of wack
Sure it was a quick fix but not the right fix
You effected the carbon cycle or micro life , although there are billions of microbes there very sensitive to change in weather ph , wetness etc

I say chill out let soils and bacteria do there things with as little interference from you
let them decide what ph they need for the life cycle there in trust me the plants will like it better plan ahead so when you need soil its ready not the other way around
And for gods sake, why make growing difficult. its not
preparation is 75 percent of any grow the other 25 percent is letting the plant do its thing

 

[Mikell]

Why don't they share what's used when the kitchen sink essential oil mix fails?


Drug addicts despise the dealer, why love the man with his little brown bottles?

The hate for the grow store owner suddenly made sense.

 

[moses wellfleet]

IMO there is a lot of non sense out there, Gardeners seem to have been programmed to buy amendments , peat and are as loyal to these products as some car-buyers used to be about their beloved Pontiac's, there’s simply no need to use it. Chopped leaves make a much better and more attractive mulch, and compost is superior as a soil amendment then anything else out there,
As for reusing synthetic chem fert soils there is a problem with salts can we re-use it sure, but what i found was it did effect plant growth and health.
So re using it should be done wisely i found flushing the medium thoroughly.
Mixing 1/4 of it into new mixture of soil.
Lets face it soil is cheap really so why bother your much safer not possibly transfering some type of pathogen or disease over to next grow and so on

As for organic soils Again i stay away from all the hype of gypsum, dolomite lime bone , blood meal . again sales pitch there is absolutely no need for it .
If you have a decent compost bin throwing all types of organic scraps there is enough there to sustain all species of plants ..
The problem is people are to much in a hurry,, they start making compost and week later want it in there soil mix ph is out of wack so of course they start hammering lime agents etc throwing the whole carbon cycle out of wack
Sure it was a quick fix but not the right fix
You effected the carbon cycle or micro life , although there are billions of microbes there very sensitive to change in weather ph , wetness etc

I say chill out let soils and bacteria do there things with as little interference from you
let them decide what ph they need for the life cycle there in trust me the plants will like it better plan ahead so when you need soil its ready not the other way around
And for gods sake, why make growing difficult. its not
preparation is 75 percent of any grow the other 25 percent is letting the plant do its thing

Have you harvested yet using the compost described above? I want to give it a try but going in blind is not the best!

If so pics please?

Apologies to lapides for cluttering up his thread!

 

[Avinash.miles]

Why don't they share what's used when the kitchen sink essential oil mix fails?


Drug addicts despise the dealer, why love the man with his little brown bottles?

The hate for the grow store owner suddenly made sense.

you don't like the essential oil mix? it's worked alright for knocking back pests in my rooms.... no perfect but does alright

 

[Weird]

IMO there is a lot of non sense out there, Gardeners seem to have been programmed to buy amendments , peat and are as loyal to these products as some car-buyers used to be about their beloved Pontiac's, there’s simply no need to use it. Chopped leaves make a much better and more attractive mulch, and compost is superior as a soil amendment then anything else out there,
As for reusing synthetic chem fert soils there is a problem with salts can we re-use it sure, but what i found was it did effect plant growth and health.
So re using it should be done wisely i found flushing the medium thoroughly.
Mixing 1/4 of it into new mixture of soil.
Lets face it soil is cheap really so why bother your much safer not possibly transfering some type of pathogen or disease over to next grow and so on

As for organic soils Again i stay away from all the hype of gypsum, dolomite lime bone , blood meal . again sales pitch there is absolutely no need for it .
If you have a decent compost bin throwing all types of organic scraps there is enough there to sustain all species of plants ..
The problem is people are to much in a hurry,, they start making compost and week later want it in there soil mix ph is out of wack so of course they start hammering lime agents etc throwing the whole carbon cycle out of wack
Sure it was a quick fix but not the right fix
You effected the carbon cycle or micro life , although there are billions of microbes there very sensitive to change in weather ph , wetness etc

I say chill out let soils and bacteria do there things with as little interference from you
let them decide what ph they need for the life cycle there in trust me the plants will like it better plan ahead so when you need soil its ready not the other way around
And for gods sake, why make growing difficult. its not
preparation is 75 percent of any grow the other 25 percent is letting the plant do its thing

Growing outdoors with the right resources, low value cultivar, absolutely right.

Here I grow indoors and building soil with peat, perlite and bagged ewc.vermiculture lets me grow sustainable without having to compromise results or reinvent the wheel

I spent $60-75 bucks of amendments/castings per round to grow 12-16k worth of pot. I source sustainable organic products so I am my sustainable agriculture supports the sustainable agro-economy as well.

I have to be honest, I never used more than a fractions worth of nutes regardless of how I grew. Electricity and real estate, a different story.

 

[Sluicebox]

Weird,

Is your soil mix and ratios listed somewhere in here?

3 weeks ago I added for first time a mulch of hay/ worm and pigeon poo. Now under hay there are shrooms growing! I don't think I ever got fungi to grow in tea. Now with fungal on pots plants have really come alive. Lots of lil critters moving about doing their thing. Worms near the top feeding under hay.

Soil feels somewhat like a sponge when you press on it. Awesome.

How do you wake up old soil? Have several 15 gal pots that sat out in sun for a month without water or care after chop.

Anybody? Thanks.

 

[Weird]

yeah my mix is a variation on LCs mix

This is how I build a soil, I re-amend with half back minus the GRD and greensand. I add them back every few rounds.

Basically I use LCs mix but interchanged some of the amendments

my mix is pretty much peaterlite:ewc:compost at a ratio 3:1:.5:.5 or 3:1:1 with the last one part being equal parts ewc and compost.

if I where just using EWC I would stick to .5

as far as amendments I use the following per gallon of mix I make using the ratio above

1 tbs blood meal (or fish meal, at times I have used both)
2 tbs bone meal (or fish bone meal, at times I have used both)
1 tbs kelp meal
1 tbs crab meal
1 tbs grd
1 tbs greeensand

1 tbs oyster shell
1tbs gypsum

I use alfalfa and frass as well but I use them sparingly in teas in my veg and in my flowering room at transition.

I keep neem meal/oil on hand but do not use them unless needed, at this point I use them primarily in foliar applications.

I use very little amendments so some amendments like greensand I still have from when I first started dabbling with amendments.