Real G13 haze?

[GoatCheese]

phylos indicates pacific g13 has a good amount of skunk commonality i guess u would say. not that really matters.

[FONT=&quot]You're referring to the "Population Profile", which is a fairly pointless grouping method Phylos uses; according to it PG13 is also related to OG Kush and "berry", whatever that means.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]It doesn't mean that there actually is any genes from Sam's Skunk1 in it. And i doubt there is any sk1 genetics in G13. I think the afghanis may just be distant relatives.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]https://phylos.bio/sims/sample/genotype/2g4vv0ng[/FONT]



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[FONT=&quot]Phylos seem to think it's somehow valid grouping system, but thou it seems to catch the eye of many visiting their pages, it seems it only ends up confusing things if people aren't familiar of what it actually does and take it's info as face value.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]To me it would better to take the whole thing out of there. It's only confusing and isn't very informative to most people[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]People should rather look at the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]"Closest Genetic Relatives"[/FONT][FONT=&quot] when looking at genetic close relatives of a sample and pay little if any attention to the "Population Profile" which actually tells very little about the real genetics used to create the sampled plant.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]If you look at the close relatives, PG13 is actually related to Strawberry Cough, but even this means it's one of the closest relatives PG13 has among the Phylos samples. --it doesn't mean PG13 was used to make Strawberry Cough, thou it is possible too, it can just mean it's one of the closest samples submitted to Phylos to date; Meaning they may find closer relatives to PG13 once more samples have been gathered.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I seriously doubt there's any SK1 in G13.[/FONT]

Peace

 

[MAHA KALA]

Soma is nice guy. funny. I like him. but he is using genetics that is very usual in Amsterdam. anybody who believes his description of lineage is very naive.. laos and jamaican in his amnesia haze is joke LOL. I dont know exact lineage, but sure its some amnesia crossed with another haze hybrid.

 

[GoatCheese]

Soma is nice guy. funny. I like him. but he is using genetics that is very usual in Amsterdam. anybody who believes his description of lineage is very naive.. laos and jamaican in his amnesia haze is joke LOL. I dont know exact lineage, but sure its some amnesia crossed with another haze hybrid.

That's proper bro-science right there. Well done.

 

[GoatCheese]

..and here i go with Soma's AH again. Can't help it.

To any dumb shit who doesn't understand that Columbian (in Hazes) and Jamaican are closely related, here's a screen capture from Phylos of old Jamaican from Sam Skunkman. See how closely related many Columbians are to Jamaicans?? But i f-ing doubt you'll get it.

If you believe Amnesia Haze can have Columbian in it but not Jamaican, you're an idiot.

It's laughable you people don't even know the basics of cannabis genetics, yet you pose as so knowledgeable persons.
Shut the f up. Nobody wants to read your moronic bro-science and things you want to believe in. You just confuse people truly interested in genetics of modern strains. Stop it.

 

[romanoweed]

I didnt mean to spread missinformation. shure what i read doesnt have to bee true. but since nearly everybody claimed the others g13related Thing wasnt what its told i accepted that as the most possible truth. You could say this is wrong to, but then what can you do better to find out truth? Thats all i can. But i probably should have pointed out that this isnt knowledge what i have, but rather a possibilitie. I dont wanna spread missinformation, i wanted to Show my conclusion about the undecision

 

[GODofDANK]

I'll explain everything about Amesia Haze.

The story is simple but foggy for reason to sell flowers and seeds in the Netherlands and the world.
First Amnesia come in 1995-6. It was made by NL5hazeCxSkunkHazeA.

It has that C5 smells but with Amonia smell added from skunk-hazeA and strong Incense smells and taste of best quality which come in crosses of C and A haze of Nevile genetics. It was year before SSH seeds. From this seed line they found one plant which was overpowered haze high and flower time was 14-15 weeks. But genetics by itself did not satisfy for the sake of hermaphroditism and instability in seed line. So they made new SSH NL5hazeCXskunkhazeC from this seeds line come today SSH more fruty and more up not so devastating high like A haze crosses and not so strong incense notes like skunk-haze A line before but more stable and better for Indoor grow rooms.

In 1998 That cut of 1st try of haze hybridization from 95-96 it was close to new SSH of 98 but more strong and better overal in smoke,taste,smell...but flower time was to long for commercial purposes. It was closer to Neville Haze,Ag13haze,C5haze,A5haze,Cg13haze...

In south of holland this cut is called 98 ''Amnesia Haze'' cut and it is Original and it is close to SSH line but better and little different in smell and high is strong like HazeA hybrids. Stronger than hazeC after smoking that cut lots of people would drop the pressure and it would be no good to them to strong high. And hard core smokers have weed hangovers next day caused by it. With its strength it soon spread all over the Netherlands.

And then lots of breeders try to make shorter flowering of that cut but keep the potency of it.One of the best breeders and well known are boys close to one of the best coffe shop in NL. As someone state here before they try breedring with original 98 Amnesia Haze(Nl5hazeCxSkunkHazeA) to g13 indica male which brings down the flower time . It's Amnesia Haze (1998 / 14 wk.) x G13 airborn indica(Reeferman) = Amnesia g13 you could by this cross in coffe shop or by kiwi seeds.
Here is smoke report of it:
Looks: Dark, tight nuggets with bright orange hairs.
Smell: Besides the unique Amnesia Thai/wood/fruit smell you can detect a musty, earthy note from the G13.
Taste: Like the smell, a tropical punch of flavors with earthy, almost dusty undertones.
Buzz Type: There is an uplifting burst of sativa energy at the beginning, but soon the high gets heavier and trippy leaving you wrecked with a big grin on your face.
Buzz Length: Long. 2-3 hours.
Its all happened around 2000 further breeding goes in
1)Amnesia H x G13 airborn male = G13-Amnesia F1
2) Amnesia H x F1 sativa male 12 wk. = G13-Am. Haze *

Soma tells the story on page 78 of his book Organic Marijuana Soma Style: “In 2001 I tried sprouting some very old G-13 Haze seeds that came from Neville of cannabis genetics fame, They were created in 1988. I had ten of these 13-year-old seeds. Only one sprouted and it was a male. That left me with but one choice – in order to use the genetics, I had to breed the male to some of my existing strains and select some choice female phenotypes. As the G-13 Haze crosses circulate the globe, many growers are totally enthused by what they have come up with from these seeds. It has brought a heavy sativa influence to all the strains it has been hybridised with.”

Soma wrote in his Hybridisation article: “In my newest crossings between the G-13 Haze male (wanted to bring more of the sativa genetics into the mix) and Buddha’s Sister, Somango, Somativa, White Willow, Lavender, Citralah, White Light, New York City Diesel, Rockbud, Reclining Buddha, and Free Tibet, I am finding some of the finest plants ever.”

Also Soma which himself didnt breed give the G13 haze male to guys who breed many strains like Willy Nelson + Reeferman,G13haze,G13 Amnesia Haze,Utopia Haze,Top Dawg,Red Diesel,Ceres Hilton + Karma,Top Dawg x NCY Diesel.....he breed for WL,BarenyFarm,Soma...and lots of seed companies breed with him or buy crosses from him not so much breeders back than so as today it's easier to resell than to work with genetics. Soma when give him his G13hazeC take seeds from 2) Amnesia H x F1 sativa male 12 wk. = G13-Am. Haze * and from this line he found his cup wining ''indica'' Haze clone which flowers in 70 days maximum from 2004. After this exange Soma makes from his harem fems plant + G13Amnesiahaze all polinated by G13hazeC and seed form this polination he is selling online as G13haze x fems also he relise his G13 haze also as this breeder:
1) Amnesia H x G13 airborn male = G13-Amnesia F1
2) Amnesia H x F1 sativa male 12 wk. = G13-Am. Haze *
3) G13-Am. H. x G13 sativa male(Soma) = G13 Haze

Soma also offers a seedline called Amnesia Haze which he claims he created from a Laotian sativa female and Shantibaba's Afghan/Hawaiian male, the strain description he wrote gives no clues to the lineage however: “Amnesia Haze is one of the finest Hazes Soma Seeds has to offer. The smell and taste are unforgettable, until you smoke it and forget everything!”

Amnesia Haze was released in 2003 at the same time as the G13Haze crosses and was entered in the 2004 Cannabis Cup by where it won overall 1st place. Soma makes no mention of the breeding process that created Amnesia Haze in his book Organic Marijuana Soma Style.
But it was obvious that the clone winner of CC2004 a much shorter bloom than the seed plants that are 13-16 weeks flower time. So this is lineage of G13 hazes in Amsterdam and Somas Amnesia Haze.

Also core cut is 98 Amnesia Haze x bubblegum so it has that little Amnesia haze smell but with more candyness. Also people like Somas Amnesia haze cuz after boosting with G13hazeC ,Also, being a Haze dominant phenotype with minimal G13 influence being apparent in his progeny, it can be considered that it has similar breeding properties to the original Haze C male that fathered it. He boosted back Haze influence and come back closer to real Amnesia Haze.

 

[romanoweed]

there we go, critical view says something like Soma was the source for many cuts and seeds of g13. and all the plants he had after a short wile was basically g13 x haze (whyever he never used the g13 male..) crossed to another g13 x everything other. I cant really understand what the rest says , godofdank. But i can conclude (BUT NOT KNOW) for simplyfication: Soma never has given more than a 50 percent "goverment real g13" seeds and cuts away, and many hade recieved this 50 percent g13s.


And then i dont understan nomore down there in the: 1 2 3 examples.. what means : Soma g13 sativa male? i mean he had only one single clone, so it means Somas g13 haze, right?


And what means f1 sativa male 12 wk ?

 

[GODofDANK]

G13 sativa male(Soma) = G13HazeC famous male cut from Soma

F1 sativa male 12 wk = Amnesia H x G13 airborn male = G13-Amnesia F1

Also if you see 2003 crosses:
Rockbud,Lavander,WhiteWillow,Somativa,NYC Diesel,Buddhasister,Freetibet,R.Buddah,Whitelight,Citralah,Somango all are x g13hazeC only name from that year is Amnesia haze without g13hazeC so truth is,that it is G13-Amnesia Haze x G13hazeC .

 

[romanoweed]

then, from Soma no g13, only 50 Percent, ok

 

[Shmavis]

...

Soma tells the story on page 78 of his book Organic Marijuana Soma Style: “In 2001 I tried sprouting some very old G-13 Haze seeds that came from Neville of cannabis genetics fame, They were created in 1988. I had ten of these 13-year-old seeds. Only one sprouted and it was a male. That left me with but one choice – in order to use the genetics, I had to breed the male to some of my existing strains and select some choice female phenotypes. As the G-13 Haze crosses circulate the globe, many growers are totally enthused by what they have come up with from these seeds. It has brought a heavy sativa influence to all the strains it has been hybridised with.”

...

I recall reading this in his book. He also said similar in BBoB II. (I always thought the legend of G-13 had it hailing from Mississippi... )

Soma's Amnesia Haze:

(Apologies to WD for continuing the off-topic discussion. )

 

[GODofDANK]

I recall reading this in his book. He also said similar in BBoB II. (I always thought the legend of G-13 had it hailing from Mississippi... )

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Soma's Amnesia Haze:

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(Apologies to WD for continuing the off-topic discussion. )

Second picture is truth but it is writen in commercial way.
This is picture of that cuting,
but it flowers in 70 days,who won in 2004.But seeds after crossing to heavy sativa dominant male G13haze are closer to 12-13weeks with few phenos at 10-11 some 14-16 weeks.
i have grown it lots of times.
Eskobar made a lot of crosses with it.

Yes and in every variety it is probably afgan or thai landrace,but in this description of genetics the Jamaican haze disappears.
but we want to know name of that particular specimen who is the parent of that we are asking for.
We know that OG kush is some kind of Ghani...its nothing new.
I will tell you something i stop buying seeds
some time ago, because I realized that the only thing new in the field of gentics was the name changes in the last 10 years.

 

[clearheaded]

Mr goat,

you do know your talking out of both sides of your mouth?

the galaxy you use as you evidence for columbian jamaica similarity, is infact based of population variance.. ie notice how columbian thai eetc are in green? those are more green as put into the "landrace" variance and will normally have the largest variation as from large wild populations with little or no selection. redish orange galaxy is for varietys that would be skunk and hemp variations. polish hemp is part "hemp variance" and part landrace so is placed in the galaxy in more orangish green part of galaxy. pretty cool eh?

yes the listed closest relatives is great way to find out whatever var is related to

so before you start preaching about how ur smarter then everyone maybe learn some stuff to and say you think phylos, guys smarter then both of us, shouldnt do something to confuse the commoners lol what a joke.

its one thing to be incorrect or mistaken, which is how we learn, its another to bash on others acting high and mighty when really dont know what you are talking about.

I have only a minor in bio so no expert in genetics, however do know my colors.

 

[GoatCheese]

Mr goat,

you do know your talking out of both sides of your mouth?

the galaxy you use as you evidence for columbian jamaica similarity, is infact based of population variance.. ie notice how columbian thai eetc are in green? those are more green as put into the "landrace" variance and will normally have the largest variation as from large wild populations with little or no selection. redish orange galaxy is for varietys that would be skunk and hemp variations. polish hemp is part "hemp variance" and part landrace so is placed in the galaxy in more orangish green part of galaxy. pretty cool eh?

yes the listed closest relatives is great way to find out whatever var is related to

so before you start preaching about how ur smarter then everyone maybe learn some stuff to and say you think phylos, guys smarter then both of us, shouldnt do something to confuse the commoners lol what a joke.

its one thing to be incorrect or mistaken, which is how we learn, its another to bash on others acting high and mighty when really dont know what you are talking about.

I have only a minor in bio so no expert in genetics, however do know my colors.

World with out colors, ay ..we all like abit of color, friend

They are all "green" because many C American genetics come from SE Asia.
It doesn't matter what color they used, what is important is that these samples are grouped closely together on Galaxy telling us they are related.
If you'd look at the Closest Relatives on those samples, you'd see that most Columbian lines originate from Thailand and SE Asia, thai stick etc. and Jamaicans are fairly closely related to Columbians


Sorry if you got your ego a bit bruised. Apparently it doesn't take too much. I didn't mean to. I'm sure you're very smart person too. Go ask your mom, she'll tell you the same thing
Some of you people are so sensitive and whine like teenagers when someone isn't sharing your believes.

 

[GoatCheese]

Amnesia Haze was released in 2003 at the same time as the G13Haze crosses and was entered in the 2004 Cannabis Cup by where it won overall 1st place. Soma makes no mention of the breeding process that created Amnesia Haze in his book Organic Marijuana Soma Style.
But it was obvious that the clone winner of CC2004 a much shorter bloom than the seed plants that are 13-16 weeks flower time. So this is lineage of G13 hazes in Amsterdam and Somas Amnesia Haze.

There are alot of breeders who are vague with their breeding programs and most of them aren't called bs artists. MrNice/Shanti isn't straight forward about all his strains, should we also call him out too? Sensi Seeds keep some of their lines secret. That doesn't automatically mean they are liars.

And people don't seem to question Soma regarding his other varieties, only his AH, which is quite strange.
..why would he only lie about his AH and not the rest of it?? Don't tell me. Talking about this is what opening Pandora's Box must feel like.

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Second thing, for years Soma has told the genetic make up of his AH, so to claim he's still vague about it is not an honest claim. He has said for years it has SE Asian, Jamaican, Afghani and Hawaiian in it.For years now.

Soma states on the info video about his AH that he started going into it in 90's. Because sativas were difficult to grow indoors, he "decided to make a sativa cross that was crossed with ALOT OF AFGHANI which is a fast flowering strain and a little bit of Jamaican and also some SE Asian.."

To me, when Soma says he wanted to make a hybrid with alot of Afghani in it, itcould mean he might have back crossed the Afghan/Hawaiian male to it more than once to bring down the flowering time.
..but to you shorter flowering time is automatically evidence off G13Haze. Whatever.

You can watch the clip here:
https://www.somaseeds.nl/seeds/amnesia-haze
https://vimeo.com/22401832

Go surf the net for grow threads/pictures about his NYCD and Amnesia Haze and you will notice they have similar phenos in them, cause he used the same Afghan/Hawaiian male in both hybrids.
..not the G13Haze male but his Afghan/Hawaiian male he used in many of his crosses.


PS.

Have you guys noticed how all these people who claim Soma is bullshitting people about his AH genetics and claim it was made with the G13Haze male, all use the same cut-and-paste claims they found from some internet forum..
..yet they haven't bothered to even visit Soma's own web site to read and listen what he actually states about his Amnesia Haze. Unreal. F-ing chatty and gossiping bro-scientist.
Group wave

I don't think Soma's AH has Haze genetics from Nevil in it, but bro-scientist have a different theory about it = cut-n-paste rumors and gossiping.



To continue this convo really is pointless. Facts from the breeder doesn't seem to matter one bit, when bro-science is king.

I give up. I'll leave you guys to cut-and-paste the same internet rumors again and again and again. You don't even have your own thoughts about it, just the same cut-n-paste claims originating from someone else. You are like parrots, aren't you.
Peace.

 

[GODofDANK]

There are alot of breeders who are vague with their breeding programs and most of them aren't called bs artists. MrNice/Shanti isn't straight forward about all his strains, should we also call him out too? Sensi Seeds keep some of their lines secret. That doesn't automatically mean they are liars.

And people don't seem to question Soma regarding his other varieties, only his AH, which is quite strange.
..why would he only lie about his AH and not the rest of it?? Don't tell me. Talking about this is what opening Pandora's Box must feel like.

::::
::::
Second thing, for years Soma has told the genetic make up of his AH, so to claim he's still vague about it is not an honest claim. He has said for years it has SE Asian, Jamaican, Afghani and Hawaiian in it.For years now.

Soma states on the info video about his AH that he started going into it in 90's. Because sativas were difficult to grow indoors, he "decided to make a sativa cross that was crossed with ALOT OF AFGHANI which is a fast flowering strain and a little bit of Jamaican and also some SE Asian.."

To me, when Soma says he wanted to make a hybrid with alot of Afghani in it, itcould mean he might have back crossed the Afghan/Hawaiian male to it more than once to bring down the flowering time.
..but to you shorter flowering time is automatically evidence off G13Haze. Whatever.

You can watch the clip here:
https://www.somaseeds.nl/seeds/amnesia-haze
https://vimeo.com/22401832

Go surf the net for grow threads/pictures about his NYCD and Amnesia Haze and you will notice they have similar phenos in them, cause he used the same Afghan/Hawaiian male in both hybrids.
..not the G13Haze male but his Afghan/Hawaiian male he used in many of his crosses.


PS.

Have you guys noticed how all these people who claim Soma is bullshitting people about his AH genetics and claim it was made with the G13Haze male, all use the same cut-and-paste claims they found from some internet forum..
..yet they haven't bothered to even visit Soma's own web site to read and listen what he actually states about his Amnesia Haze. Unreal. F-ing chatty and gossiping bro-scientist.
Group wave

I don't think Soma's AH has Haze genetics from Nevil in it, but bro-scientist have a different theory about it = cut-n-paste rumors and gossiping.



To continue this convo really is pointless. Facts from the breeder doesn't seem to matter one bit, when bro-science is king.

I give up. I'll leave you guys to cut-and-paste the same internet rumors again and again and again. You don't even have your own thoughts about it, just the same cut-n-paste claims originating from someone else. You are like parrots, aren't you.
Peace.

CheeseGoat
these are not gossip, I know personally everyone in the story.
it has nothing to do with belief, I see that you do not trust the US government and that you are promoting conspiracy theories. why talk at all with you about anything ????
I find you irrelevant and not competent.
You believe in the story told by Soma,who himself changed the story more than once.
I personally know Soma and He can't tell these stories to me. Looking at your profile I see that it is impossible for you to grow a healthy plant.
1st to learn to grow plant first, and then only then turn to us and say something.
after all, I see that you like to trust unreliable sources and you are completely entitled to it, but don't insult us.

 

[growingcrazy]

More G13Haze photos and discussion, please.



Not G13, Not Soma G13haze hybrids.


Where is Sammy when you need him!

 

[clearheaded]

mr goat,

unfortunetly you didnt get what my point was. not that what your saying about colombians isnt true. simply that the galaxy ie what your saying about close relatives is based on variances ie landrace portion of galaxy green and skunk portion of galaxy red.

here is some reading so can understand what genetic variance is and why columbian and lambs bread have same variance and is what plots them close together in the galaxy. ie when has similar variance its related .

https://biologywise.com/genetic-variation-importance-sources-examples

anyway, just a troll i get it, thats ur shtick. name calling just makes it clearer u have no idea what u are talking about.

 

[GODofDANK]

More G13Haze photos and discussion, please.



Not G13, Not Soma G13haze hybrids.


Where is Sammy when you need him!

It was not off topic i told you genetics of new G13haze what can u buy mostly in Holland,Spain...and in seeds.

From Nevile there are G13xhazeC and G13xHazeA Sammy both have it both are long flowering 98+ days.
Those cut are orignial Nevile cuts. I dont know if Nevile breed G13 before crossing them to haze with skunk or northern light. Im not shure but think that it was pure version of G13 which he received from USA. Then he crossed it to his best Haze males A and C.
Also he cross it to male White Widow,Skunk and NL.

 

[GODofDANK]

Here i find smoke reprot old 1 G13xhazeC
https://www.smokersguide.com/hashweed/216/haze_cg13.html#.Xa2CQugzaUk

its close to A5haze that old CG13..
https://www.smokersguide.com/hashweed/239/haze_a5.html#.Xa2DM-gzaUk

and new one from Barney/Dampkring/Soma..
https://www.smokersguide.com/hashweed/439/g13_haze.html#.Xa2CzOgzaUk

 

[GODofDANK]

Also If you see CG13 and A5haze look more like pure landraces,sativas they are more Haze dominant.Gentics is G13 x pure haze C ,or NL5xHaze A.
Then new one which is clearly more hybridized.
0) Amnesia H-((NL5xhazeC)x(SkunkxHazeA)
1) Amnesia H x G13 airborn male = G13-Amnesia F1
2) Amnesia H x F1 sativa male 12 wk. = G13-Am. Haze *
3) G13-Am. H. x G13 sativa male(Soma) = G13 Haze