RingtailCanyon
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I trust toms findings.
I think there’s a common misconception perpetuated here that the best ganja flowers at 11/13.
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question for sam the skunkman on the original haze
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I think there’s a common misconception perpetuated here that the best ganja flowers at 11/13.
When I ran Mako Haze if you did it at 12 and 12 the flowers were long and slender and we’re hermaphroditic ,when I did it at 10:14 in order to Shock it , I got denser thicker clusters with no hermaphrodism or any of that crap… those are just my experiences I definitely believe that shorter light time produces better sativas , from my own experience trying both ways with the same plant …humbly & fwiw
JohnnyChicago
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I was meaning Tom Hills post, Montuno. Not yours.
Tom Hill is the breeder of THH.
THH has been considered the best of the OH's for long time.
guys ,, go and check out hammers recent grow of thh ,
even at 12/12 it wouldnt finish and he culled it,
thats what one would expect with a pure sativa ,
they like the hours decreasing and if it doesnt go past 12/12 ,, likely wont finish in any hurry at all ,
they definitely wont finish at 13/11...
its best to mimick the natural settings in order to keep your plants happy ...
i am aware that over time with selection some plants will finish sooner ,
thats not what im talking about though , lets not go splitting hairs too much and making things difficult ...
i have grown thh almost 20 years ago ,
after a few weeks outdoors with the hours increasing from 11 , i saw signs of reveg ,
pure sativas are very sensitive to even small changes in the day length ,
because where they are from the days are short and the variation from the shortest to the longst is only around 2 hours,
ie 11/13 and 13/11 ...
even at 12/12 it wouldnt finish and he culled it,
thats what one would expect with a pure sativa ,
they like the hours decreasing and if it doesnt go past 12/12 ,, likely wont finish in any hurry at all ,
they definitely wont finish at 13/11...
its best to mimick the natural settings in order to keep your plants happy ...
i am aware that over time with selection some plants will finish sooner ,
thats not what im talking about though , lets not go splitting hairs too much and making things difficult ...
i have grown thh almost 20 years ago ,
after a few weeks outdoors with the hours increasing from 11 , i saw signs of reveg ,
pure sativas are very sensitive to even small changes in the day length ,
because where they are from the days are short and the variation from the shortest to the longst is only around 2 hours,
ie 11/13 and 13/11 ...
I was at 140 days flower and they looked like they could go another 3 months. I't wasn't just THH, the 1990 OH behaved the same way.. At 140 days all looked like 90 days. None had any terps, None had much resin. I have some Seedsman OH soaking now. These will go into my tent using 11on 13 off.
JohnnyChicago
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"Metal shop" is how Tom Hill used to describe it.
Whatever happened to the seed co “Dutch Flowers” ? … Didn’t they drop a metal haze with much fanfare? Once upon a time
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Unripe mango is good....i guess in the pure haze most terps are fairly low, and finding that 1 in100 plant is pretty different from the 20-50 decent to keep worthy phenos.... We just need to make great selections and start keeping males...... find good females to pair the males onto and start sifting decent populations of the f1s to judge the haze males... until we start circulating some decent males... Until then..... Id say along with popping more THH and Ohaze, we need to pop some more nl5haze...neville haze..... mangohaze...ssh... We are giving up on stuff after seeing 10-20 plants too often (the majority of us not all of course).
Hey Wal,
I dont think that was because of the 12/12. Here's a THH originals 12/12 HPS in hydroton. Also same in 12/12 led. All the THH loved 12/12.
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Dutch Flowers also made a hybrid they called A13 Trip, which was reputedly Haze #19 x Apollo 13. They also had an auction decades ago where they ended up selling Haze #19 x Skunk for $500 ending price! I saw it on a Spanish cannabis site, it was saved by somebody and reposted, couldn't believe it...
Edited to add: Apparently they also made Oxygen19, which is supposedly Haze #19 x Indigo Blue. Just saw this on seedf*nder.
Edited to add: Apparently they also made Oxygen19, which is supposedly Haze #19 x Indigo Blue. Just saw this on seedf*nder.
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The question is would they do better using 11/13?. How long did it take to harvest yours?. Is 6 months normal harvest times for THH?
That one 14 weeks. Theres another I did under led that went longer like 16 but the rest were 11-14. All under 12/12. I have used 11/13 with POTH, zamadelica, panama, golden tiger, and NH but did not see anything that resembled a difference in growth rate. The A5s1 and B7A5 may have even suffered under 11/13 as the A5 did better in 12/12. The A5 and B7a5 were hps 11/13 and taken to like 150 and still continuing to make new calyxes.
Maybe I'd try it again but thats my experience.
Whatever happened to the seed co “Dutch Flowers” ? … Didn’t they drop a metal haze with much fanfare? Once upon a time
I’ve been running my keeper of Snow highs seeds Metal dragon f2 (metal haze x Burmese) for few years now. She’s one of my favorites. Whenever I spark her my non smoking unbiased wife is like hmm you’ve been smoking “church” again. Flowers smell like overripe tropical fruits but she leaves crazy incense smell in the air, smoke tickles your nose a little if you blow out of it
yea always a few factors to consider i guess ,,
those girls of yours look like the ends are elongating a bit though at 12/12 ,
might go better with slightly lower hours still and come in a little faster perhaps ,
always worth a shot trying them with some variations until u get it as close to perfect as one can ...
the 2 longest did that but the early 2 were fairly dense. Ah there was not 1 but 2 timer going completely bad incidents lucky that one finished that time. But they did it under the led too also 12/12. I know people swear by 11/13 like DJ Short but I am just not seeing that. The A5s1 and B7a5 are good examples of 11/13 they never wanted to finish and were much more sparse.
This pheno of THH did it all over the stems just nothing but sweet minty long braids. The longer one just did it at the top ends with the lower part of the budding structures a bit more densely packed than the one pictured just above. The longer one produces longer standing trichomes and is also fairly potent probably the strongest I have ever grown.
Quickest on the left, longest on the right.
its just a guide and of course there are horses for courses ,
many factors to consider too,
ideally one would have the timer changing like the days slowly decrease in hours ,
while also gradually drying out to mimick the natural setting ,
of course no one tends to do that and somethings are hard to mimick ,
honestly the sativas i have grown , depending on the planting time
were finished up to 2 months before the shortest day of 11/13 ,
maybe the days by the end were something like 11.5/12.5 ,
but the plants can tell when the season is waning so they act accordingly ,
(ie , it gets cooler ,, the ground dries out and therefore less food is available and the days shorten gradually... )
many factors to consider too,
ideally one would have the timer changing like the days slowly decrease in hours ,
while also gradually drying out to mimick the natural setting ,
of course no one tends to do that and somethings are hard to mimick ,
honestly the sativas i have grown , depending on the planting time
were finished up to 2 months before the shortest day of 11/13 ,
maybe the days by the end were something like 11.5/12.5 ,
but the plants can tell when the season is waning so they act accordingly ,
(ie , it gets cooler ,, the ground dries out and therefore less food is available and the days shorten gradually... )
