question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

[Donald Mallard]

also how old was sam when he left USA , very young ?
Ive read sam was a young guy and did none of the breeding and used to water the plants and just collected all the seed after the raid in USA and fled to Holland ?

hahaha ,

you funny ,
why not just pop him a pm and he can fill you in man ,
wont take u a moment , he was online just before ...



point him towards your post here and ask him to reply if you can,
lets see what he has to say to you .. beats the shit out of just rubbish talking him to us right??

why not tell him directly what your thinking and be done with it ..

 

[GoatCheese]

hahaha ,

you funny ,
why not just pop him a pm and he can fill you in man ,
wont take u a moment , he was online just before ...



point him towards your post here and ask him to reply if you can,
lets see what he has to say to you .. beats the shit out of just rubbish talking him to us right??

why not tell him directly what your thinking and be done with it ..

Strange world we live in nowadays, ay. = "Women watch sports and men like gossiping!"
..That's one of the best comments i've read on YouTube! LOL


Yea, why talk Sam down about the breeding project of Haze when he has never claimed he created the Haze, and has quite clearly stated it was the Haze Bros, his buddies, who did the Haze work.

 

[GoatCheese]

Where is Sams selection of Haze ?
Does it exists ?
Or its just Neville's work that is that legendary that people still lie, cheat and steal to this day just to grab a slice of Neville's pizza

What about Sams work ? , where is it

I don't mean to diss Nevil in anyway or put his breeding/selection skills down, absolutely not, but can you really give huge credit to him for "selection work" with the Original Haze seed stock when he only got few seeds sprouting?


LUCK played a big part in why Haze males A and C are so well known; meaning those came out of only few seeds that sprouted. Would Nevil's work with Haze-hybrids be so legendary if he only found the hay-phenos of Haze from those OHaze seeds? No. He was lucky to get few really good plants out of those . = you can be the world's best breeder but if the genetics are poor to begin with the end result won't be great/legendary either.


Where is Sam's Hazes?! The seeds Nevil received WERE MADE BY SAM! If it wasn't for Sam who selected the Haze he named "The Burning Bush" Haze A and C would not even exist. Do you even realize that. Think about it for awhile.

 

[MAHA KALA]

ha! OSH was around, the fact you cant get your hands on it, speaks for itself. it means you cant get best cuts around.. OSH beats your sssdh big time.. and is much stronger. I am growing what I want, I am not polarized like you, not fanboy or follower of anybody. I can have titans haze in motheroom, next to neville´s haze, and it is not problem for me at all.. but still tom hill haze beats both. you didn't answer my question why do you use it in cross, when it is not so good, are you hypocrite?

 

[MAHA KALA]

there is rootbeer cut of ohz in USA, seedsman haze cut in Canada. it is kept by many people, why would they grow and keep such long flowering plants, if it is hay. can you look to Mac´s thread, that your Godfather was lying and Ohz it is not hay, what more it is better than your priced NH? even more vigorous. you think you are at MNS forums 10 years ago? wake up.

 

[ojd]

Il put my SSSDH cut up against any Haze you got anytime ?
Icmag cup it is ?

Im ready whenever you are

 

[ojd]

ive never tried to get that cut or any ever , they were just passed to me freely

I also stated the Titans Haze was very nice , just not as good as alot of other Hazes , and yes far superior to most of what people know as Haze , but is that it ? , 30 years later 1 legendary Haze cut that was selected by a customer not Sam or crew.
How come they never sold any Original Haze in Coffeshops in Dam ? , because it wasnt as good as the other Hazes sold all over the city ( im talking from 20 years back to not today)
Neville Haze was a 14-16 week Haze so why not grow O Haze to ?
I still like Original Haze but its way down on the Haze list and didn't impress me that much as i was expecting better than what i already had.

Neville Swiss Thai blew me away and is better than any Original Haze or OHaze x thai or OHaze x Sk1
Also the MM x NH21 and the Kariba x NH23
Blew me away
Also i no its not a competition but Neville quality is far superior to the Original Haze X's that are very similar as O Haze is very true breeding and dominant .
So did Sam make it true breeding ?
Or did Sam just bring Haze to Holland ( and much respect for that) and then Neville created what we know as Haze today ?

 

[DrLongbottom]

Il put my SSSDH cut up against any Haze you got anytime ?
Icmag cup it is ?

Im ready whenever you are

careful grasshopper, sssdh is only as good as the mother haze that was used. Rezs mom ssh was good , but there are far better hazes. For example, the SSH seeds that were sold in early 97 are very different then what was released later. Later releases had more skunk bred in (rezs ssh is the more skunk version)

 

[ojd]

Careful yourself there Dr as you not tried my cut and its very different to your cut , very different.
Ive smoked more Haze than most and know Haze more than most. My cut is extremely similar to the original C5 Haze cut and is better than most if not all cuts out there and is the best SSH representation that you see out there these days.
I dont need a lesson on SSH lol

careful grasshopper, sssdh is only as good as the mother haze that was used. Rezs mom ssh was good , but there are far better hazes. For example, the SSH seeds that were sold in early 97 are very different then what was released later. Later releases had more skunk bred in (rezs ssh is the more skunk version)

 

[rolandomota]

This is why you have to pick and breed the opposite of what Mr nice says they say it is not practical for longer flower phenos as keepers but all that long flower plants are original haze genes

 

[DrLongbottom]

Il put my SSSDH cut up against any Haze you got anytime ?
Icmag cup it is ?

Im ready whenever you are

Careful yourself there Dr as you not tried my cut and its very different to your cut , very different.
Ive smoked more Haze than most and know Haze more than most. My cut is extremely similar to the original C5 Haze cut and is better than most if not all cuts out there and is the best SSH representation that you see out there these days.
I dont need a lesson on SSH lol

pay attention, i never said anything about my cuts being superior. Seems a liitle ego is heating things up here. have a good day

All I touch, and all I see, is all my life will ever be.

 

[ojd]

Pay attention yourself dr as nor did i , but what i said and ive seen from your cut my cut is far more Haze dominant .
Who talking about ego ? , im just talking about the best Haze cuts and if they were sams i would be shouting they were the best ? But its clear Neville has produced far more better Haze over the years and thats no dig at Sam its just the truth, sometimes the Truth hurts

 

[willydread]

And while you make the war with your delicacies, me and my nirvana sterling haze will rule the world hahahaha
(warning to sensitive souls, you need irony and a sense of humor here ...)

 

[Benny106]

 

[JohnnyChicago]

How come they never sold any Original Haze in Coffeshops in Dam ? , because it wasnt as good as the other Hazes sold all over the city ( im talking from 20 years back to not today)

Original Haze never sold in Coffeeshops?
It was sold all over the country in the 90s.
And then it disappered from the menus, like almost all the other good Hazes of the 90s.

 

[eugenegreen]

... this.
i remember scoring excellent hazes in the dam, up until about the mid 00’s..

dampkring, katsu, grey area, hell even the greenhouse coffee shops had electric hazes and sativas on their menu.
then the kush craze happened, followed shortly by the sour d hype and so on and so forth.

amsterdam hasn’t been the same since

Original Haze never sold in Coffeeshops?
It was sold all over the country in the 90s.
And then it disappered from the menus, like almost all the other good Hazes of the 90s.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Pay attention yourself dr as nor did i , but what i said and ive seen from your cut my cut is far more Haze dominant .
Who talking about ego ? , im just talking about the best Haze cuts and if they were sams i would be shouting they were the best ? But its clear Neville has produced far more better Haze over the years and thats no dig at Sam its just the truth, sometimes the Truth hurts

apparently nevil did make some pure haze seeds ,


if you do some searching he said they were crap and thats why he came up with the old 'you cant inbreed haze " theory ....



he did not improve pure haze , he made hybrids from the seeds he obtained from sam and others , the hybrids were good , but it doesnt take a champion to wack a few good genetics together and come up with something good really ,

someone else has done the behind the scenes work and the end guy pats himself on the back for the champion job of combining 2 sets of great genetics ,,

real breeding would be doing the first steps , then one could claim they have done good work at the end ..

its a bit like what a bunch of guys these days do ,, get the very best genetics that have been worked on extensively ,,

bang them together or reverse them , and hey presto im a breeder ...

 

[@hempy]

apparently nevil did make some pure haze seeds ,


if you do some searching he said they were crap and thats why he came up with the old 'you cant inbreed haze " theory ....



he did not improve pure haze , he made hybrids from the seeds he obtained from sam and others , the hybrids were good , but it doesnt take a champion to wack a few good genetics together and come up with something good really ,

someone else has done the behind the scenes work and the end guy pats himself on the back for the champion job of combining 2 sets of great genetics ,,

real breeding would be doing the first steps , then one could claim they have done good work at the end ..

its a bit like what a bunch of guys these days do ,, get the very best genetics that have been worked on extensively ,,

bang them together or reverse them , and hey presto im a breeder ...

You had 20 years to repeat what Nevil achieved others in the industry had longer so why was that not achievable Donald could it be that JUST MAYBE Nevil was a Breeder and a good one at that.


The people that created haze were not breeders Sam has stated it they created haze by LUCK.


Ow and Nevil is not the only person claiming haze dose not improve when inbreed Sam says the exact same research it.

 

[Happy Times]

and what about OSH??? it is not famous cut in from southern Holland??? for which you would pay top dollar? it is supposed to come from Sams seeds.. OSH: View Image

OSH = Old School Haze?

Is that an old SSSC strain? At least that’s what google>seedf!nd*r pointed me to under Kees’ Old School Haze

I thought this was interesting about temp/growing conditions- never knew that tip about keeping temp constant

Tips from the Master Breeder.
This is a bit of a sensitive lady. She will produce arm-long buds with the right treatment. Make sure your room/tent is ventilated properly day and night. Try to grow at 25/26 oC constantly. An air conditioning unit will be the ticket to success in hot climates. Excessive temperature swings will make her shoot out thin useless branches that produce tiny buds and can be slow to ripen. The Old School Haze won’t be much fun for the average grower...

 

[OldSSSCGuy]

OSH = Old School Haze?

Is that an old SSSC strain? At least that’s what google>seedf!nd*r pointed me to under Kees’ Old School Haze

FWIW, the original SSSC did not ship any Haze stock of any kind. That must be the new incarnation of that brand.