question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

[harvestreaper]

MrNiceSeedbank SuperSilverHaze 1999. It's so hard to germinate 21 year old seed !

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well done ,,,you have any tips for germing old seeds leet? ive got 20 plus year old seeds to germ in past just put in dirt , bu im having problems latley so i must of just got lucky in past

 

[Jayded]

Soaking and germinating tomato seeds in the water before you put the canna seeds in said water is supposed to help.
The tom seeds will release enzymes into the water that will aid germination.

 

[herbgreen]

using same water from soaking pinto beans overnight

plant in live worm bin

probably malted barley soak water whatever coots is putting on his plants might be good

seed cracker

there's a few

I know kagyu of coastalseeds had some luck w/pinto bean thing

chimera has a really good cleaning protocol

It seems a clean then enzyme rich soak or whatever does have increase on sprouts

also winterizing is good or just fridge 24 hrs is probably not a bad idea.....

someone invented something called 'bean blankets' if you like paper towel method keeps the tails from getting broken off in the layers



x

 

[JohnnyChicago]

Tried to germiate 12 seeds that were 30 years old that I got from a pro who had only a 5% germ rate.
Scarifed them, then soaked in tap water for 24h and had a 25% germ rate.
The last seed did sprout almost 30 days after the first one.

 

[harvestreaper]

thanks jayded ,,herbgreen ,,johnny ,,,some nice ideas/tips there

 

[funkyhorse]

This is an interesting tutorial for germinating old seeds
Simple and affordable method

I'm happy to share with you what I've found that works for me and some reasoning behind it. Maybe there is something someone can find useful from this
Here is what I do for old seeds:
My method involves washing the seeds to kill any fungus. Damping off is often a problem with old seeds. I soak seeds in tap water and household chlorine bleach (no scent, just plain bleach) for 20 minutes. The ratio is 1 Tablespoon of bleach per gallon of water.
After the soak, I dry the seeds and either crack the seeds or scarify them. I don't have a seed cracker but small hospital hemostats work if you're careful. Usually I scarify them with either fine sandpaper, 2000 grit or an emery board, the kind used for fingernails. Here, I just want to make a pin hole on the side of the seed along the ridge, where the 2 halves of the outer shells meet. You only need a light pass once or twice usually. Don't take too much off. Just break through and make a pinhole in the shell where the 2 halves meet. This allows the liquid to get in as old seeds usually have very hard shells.

Back to sterilization; I use latex gloves when handling the seeds after the 1st soak in bleach solution. Even if I use the paper towel method on new seeds, I use latex gloves, especially when transplanting them into the medium. I had about 20% of my seedlings die off several years ago from transplanting seedlings without gloves from paper towel to medium.
After cracking or scarifying the seeds, I put them in a strainer and rinse them in tap water.
I don't have access to fresh coconut milk, so I use organic, as fresh as I can find. Coconut is a seed, a nut or a fruit. But as a seed, it has pretty much all the goodies for a new plant to live on for a while. It has cytokinins, phytohormones which promote cell division, as well as gibberellic acid, which has been shown to increase old seed germination.
H202 increases the oxygen in the coconut water. Seeds need oxygen for aerobic respiration, breaking down food so the embryo can have energy. I don't know what other reasons for the H202, but I assume that is the primary function. I do know it increases germination rates. I'm guessing, but I would say my ration is about 1/4th teaspoon of 3% H202 to 2 shot glasses of coconut milk. You can add a pinch of finely powdered diastatic malt to add enzymes. On the KG repro, I also added 1 drop of Roots Excellurator Gold.

To be honest, Coconut milk and H202 are probably the most important ingredient. I think they are all important, but those 2 are really good by themselves. As far as time, I go 24 hours minimum and usually go 36 hours, depending on the seeds, my gut feelings, etc.
After the soak, plant the seeds in fresh ewc. I don't use the commercial bagged ewc sold on the shelves. I have my own worm farms just for these occasions. I'll use bagged ewc in soil, but not for sprouting seeds. I plant the seeds in trays or starter cups filled with fresh ewc, with seeds being planted 1/4 to 1/2 inch deep. Don't pack the ewc, keep it loose for oxygen and so the seeds don't get too wet. I put them in my cloning chamber and just mist spray the dome. Keep them warm and humid. I like to keep everything at 80-85F. As long as there is no remaining organic matter in the ewc, they won't mold. Don't let the ewc get dry. Mist spray them if they do. You don't want them too wet, but not dry either just moist. Keep the dome and walls inside the chamber sprayed once or twice.Because we don't want our seeds too wet and have plenty of oxygen, we want the RH to be very high. I put the whole thing on a seed mat and a thermometer inside to monitor temps and RH. RH is usually 85-99%.
Patience. The seeds have been asleep a long time, it takes time to wake up. My KG didn't come up until day 31, then they all started coming up after that. A friend of mine last month had the same thing with old seeds, started coming up on day 31. Give them time and lots of positive vibes.
Peace, God bless

 

[harvestreaper]

nice one funky horse ,,,,surely he means coconut water were it says milk ???says water once milk twice lil confused here ,,interesting reading tho thanks for posting

 

[leet]

I have tried coconut water ( bottled from supermarket ) at 4% and 60% , 12 hour soaking , as this was apparently best concentrations and soak duration times in some research papers. Didn't work for me. h2o2 can help speed up things and maybe also help old seed and have had some good results with it but I've tried it a lot and it doesn't do miracles on old seed. Definitely recommend it though. I'm trying GA3 at the moment ... 125/250/500ppm, so far not very promising... I have tried soaking in kelp/aloe/humic/fulvic at different concetrations... doesn't work. I have tried scuffing the seeds, didn't help. I've tried cracking them after 2 days of soaking with vice grips , didn't help either.

 

[F2F]

One thing to highlight is the need for patience. JohnyChicago mentions above and also pointed out in that SolarLogos thread, germination of very old seeds can take more than a month. If you can exhibit the patience and keep environment balanced for that long it should improve things considerably.

Cheers
F2F

 

[Benny106]

I think the clean from chimeras tek would have helped in my situation, i used the coconut water straight out the bottle too with aloe for 12hr soak.

Even at a constant 28/30c some seeds clearly molded off, some that i cracked and planted may have been success in a sterile agar type situation.

 

[SolarLogos]

nice one funky horse ,,,,surely he means coconut water were it says milk ???says water once milk twice lil confused here ,,interesting reading tho thanks for posting

You're very correct, thank you. I did mean to say coconut water.
Peace, God bless

 

[harvestreaper]

thanks for sharing leet ,,f2f ,,beanv20 ,,solarlogo,, ive tried to germ a bunch of old genes of late with little success patience is not a problem i once had a seed germ after a year outside after giving up with waiting months indoors,, extreme but usually im thinking a month with old seeds and dont expect a fast result there plenty in your posts to think about /try ,,very helpful thanks again

 

[harvestreaper]

apologies for the derailment ,,heres a haze from todd mc c,s offerings to get back on track

 

[LostTribe]

hello SamS,
well the first was Super Silver Haze 2008 ...
than Neviles Haze
was disappointed because long flowering i'll could not handle...
than the first Tom Hill haze in 2017... that opend my eyes...
since than i'm addicted... the queen is the OHz...
still smoking every day ... and get's not boring...
now everything get compared to OHz...
and every time OHz wins... my friends said too
thank you
M.

Have you run Oldtimers? How does it compare to the Ohz and THH?

POTH. First pure haze and only 2nd pure sativa years back.

She started to reflower and eventually went to 10/14 for final 2 or so weeks. This is probably a week or two from chop which was around 144 days.

I hit her with a slight bit of the quickest POTH male pollen.

 

[MAHA KALA]

hey man,

thanks, yeah this plant was pure magic, I miss the high and herbal metallic smell on her very much! After some cure, it got really fucking strong, everybody was so careful when smoking this one xD. It was the thai pheno.
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yeah, I love THH too. is it THH16 on pic? you crossed it with Ohz? keep it up.

 

[MadMac]

Attention: not under 18 - oooohhhh-haze porn

Attention: not under 18 - oooohhhh-haze porn

hello haze lovers,
well here some fantastic grown haze by a friend in GB...
with permission to post them for SamS to see what's still possible...
no selection done... just removed the males...from 5 seeds
you don't need cali sun...
just seeds made with love and grown' with love...
would say this is now the benchmark for us...
show me a better yielding proper grown haze hehe
very very happy now after seeing the results...
and hope to see some more in da future ...

@SamS ... your last OHz is in flower mode...
pic's follow when it becomes interesting...
also this special Skunk has some amazing looking pheno's ...
very very happy so far & many many thx again for all the info's and genetics ... i'm reversing now my best OHz girls and pollinate all those special cut's and of corse the best Ohz girls to get more S1...
first S1 are also in flower mode... so happy that it all worked so well with STS ... also can confirm the light schedule for cut's... 4/1 haha works like a charm ...
those meetings brought me a huge step forward...
learned so much in just a few hours...

OHz x THH green ... bud on stick

OHz x THH purple banger

OHz 90 x OHz Seedsman... amazing yield for pure haze and grown in small pot like all above...

so much more wonderful images... but my pic limit suck...

now show me your haze hehe

get hazed...
i'am full on
M.

 

[MadMac]

ooohhh-haze 2.0

ooohhh-haze 2.0

hello haze lovers,
well to make you a nice weekend...
here some progress and a teaser of SamS. new Ohz...
my pic limit is full...

one of the S1 OHz i'll made... looks like the mother

and here tada ... SamS's last OHz... one of them as a cut...
from 12 i'll got 6 girls... all different .. but these girl is special..
will haze her with the reversed OHz girls... you never know ;-)

what a season ... 2020 the year of da haZe return
M.

 

[MAHA KALA]

haze! I am sure that if you would contact some super mod, they can make more space for your pics. we need it! it is for educational purposes and make this site even more special, at least in my eyes..

 

[bigherb]

MadMac

As always Thanks for sharing, your details of progress in growth
With pictures is a movie . I’m In aww with every post

It’s amazing to see such vigor such beautiful full Healthy colas of Original Haze . The claims over the years have been shut down with your recent post .

I’m very Happy to Know you are doing selections to S1 congratulations on your success of reversals

I’m very happy to see the Sams stock Looks beautiful , what I find interesting is how Fine leaf /slender she is compared to Todd’s recent OHaze reports . Is that one lady from Sams how about the other 5 how Is the growth in comparison?

Please keep us posted on all your progress , I’m very curious how the S1’s and the Sams Haze will flower

Much Respect you are an inspiration brother


1luvbigherb

 

[Happy Times]

hello haze lovers,


OHz x THH green ... bud on stick
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OHz x THH purple banger
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OHz 90 x OHz Seedsman... amazing yield for pure haze and grown in small pot like all above...
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so much more wonderful images... but my pic limit suck...

now show me your haze hehe

get hazed...
i'am full on
M.

Really like that 3rd pic