question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

[Nexus7]

when Phylos first came out Sam posted that Haze was Colombian.

then he erased it.

Yeah OTH is clearly Colombian dominant with a pinch of Thai stick according to phylos at least. Ace seeds seemed to know that just by the way it grows and smokes prior to any tests results.

Would be nice if someone could submit an Old TFD or Seedsman O.Haze to see how it all fits in. THH too.

Just sucks that phylos seems to wanna use others genetics info for the own purposes.

N7

 

[MAHA KALA]

hello,
here my fav 90' ohz ...
punto rojo style...
smoke wise one of the best plants in my ohz pool..
View Image

no belly leaf... so sexy slender... love it...
Zamal has also this slender no belly leaf's ...

Haze is the result of humans taking the very finest sativas and crossing them selecting over generations, Zamal is also the result of crossing the very finest sativas, but with the selection done by nature, the plants that could grow and mature in their new location being those that through natural selection survived and passed their genes on to subsequent generations.

M.

 

[MAHA KALA]

For that matter Sam has only talked about preserving / reproducing Ohaze, not making selections.

but wouldnt we see some purple hazes if he just preserve it? like he would pollinate 1000 females with 1000 males at some field.. for example seedsman haze is assumed as original haze, but is strictly green, if I am wrong correct me please. also at that green card you can read that skunkman was selling so called new year haze, and that was longer flowering selection of ohaze, again correct me if I am wrong.

 

[willydread]

but wouldnt we see some purple hazes if he just preserve it? like he would pollinate 1000 females with 1000 males at some field.. for example seedsman haze is assumed as original haze, but is strictly green, if I am wrong correct me please. also at that green card you can read that skunkman was selling so called new year haze, and that was longer flowering selection of ohaze, again correct me if I am wrong.

I've always wondered it too, as (in oldtimer haze) the purple pheno is impossible to remove in an open reproduction, however if you make a selection for a while ....

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Thats because haze and wats called old timers haze are two different strains...(that contain a similar parent)...that just have similarities..there are others that have sum similarities...call them haze too and thats wer the confusion begins

 

[bigherb]

when Phylos first came out Sam posted that Haze was Colombian.

then he erased it.

I’m Very curious

Was this result from Phylos he posted ?

Did you or anyone save the post ?

1luvbigherb

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

when Phylos first came out Sam posted that Haze was Colombian.

then he erased it.

well, just haze is a broad term applied to pure haze and haze hybrids.

If he had posted up that original haze was Columbian, that would be accurate according to all the lore, but soon after it wasn't pure Columbian anymore typically. Maybe he was just shooting for accuracy.

 

[Benny106]

I’m Very curious

Was this result from Phylos he posted ?

Did you or anyone save the post ?

1luvbigherb

Not that im offering this as evidence but i distinctivly remember the post, but maybe that one was in the "too much money spent on it to hand out free type info" pile.

Furthermore, i just want the weeds man fuck the money, i hate what it did to the plant and to our people.

 

[Guest]

but wouldnt we see some purple hazes if he just preserve it? like he would pollinate 1000 females with 1000 males at some field.. for example seedsman haze is assumed as original haze, but is strictly green, if I am wrong correct me please. also at that green card you can read that skunkman was selling so called new year haze, and that was longer flowering selection of ohaze, again correct me if I am wrong.

OK dont take me wrong but who the hell cares if its purple? The whole "bag appeal" thing is kind of so far down the list in my mind.

Its the quality.

 

[willydread]

OK dont take me wrong but who the hell cares if its purple? The whole "bag appeal" thing is kind of so far down the list in my mind.

Its the quality.

The effect, the high, is different from purple to green...
I don't know if original haze and ot1haze are related or not, but in both cases the violets are more introspective, confusing, the greens are brighter, more energetic ....
In words it is not easy to describe the effect, but if you read Sam's descriptions and the reports about oldtimer haze they are similar ...(about purple /green effect)

 

[Guest]

The effect, the high, is different from purple to green...
I don't know if original haze and ot1haze are related or not, but in both cases the violets are more introspective, confusing, the greens are brighter, more energetic ....
In words it is not easy to describe the effect, but if you read Sam's descriptions and the reports about oldtimer haze they are similar ...(about purple /green effect)

Ahh,, didnt know that. Me, Im way more for the green then.

 

[bigherb]

but wouldnt we see some purple hazes if he just preserve it? like he would pollinate 1000 females with 1000 males at some field.. for example seedsman haze is assumed as original haze, but is strictly green, if I am wrong correct me please. also at that green card you can read that skunkman was selling so called new year haze, and that was longer flowering selection of ohaze, again correct me if I am wrong.

I remember Root Beer very well it was around for maybe 10 years before it just disappeared from the Haze genepool, like most of the Purple Haze genes. I helped save the Original Haze from extinction, with the blessing of R.L. and the other Haze Brother, the 2 Original Haze growers.

To be honest the purple Hazes were maybe stronger but not as clear or as up and high. I liked the lime greens with maybe a bit of Thai blood. I do remember a med dark purp Haze that tasted just like root beer, amazing. I also had a Kerala that tasted just like Vics Metholated it was Camphor for sure, strong as hell but not as clear as I like.
I grew mex seeds from a bag of weed in 1965.

-SamS

Nevil did not have OHaze seeds from before the 70's 80"s as he got his OHaze from me and I only sold him seeds I had made, all 100% OHaze, but not from the 60's or early 70's as I did not start making OHaze seeds until the mid 70's and in large amounts in the 80's in Holland. I think I sold him seeds I made in Holland after 85'.

I think it’s a great question , purple is only seen in THH and Old timers which I believe is original Haze not from Sams hands

But if we consider he didn’t try and preserve Haze until 76 or so and it wasn’t his preference that may play a factor

1luvbigherb

 

[Water-]

well, just haze is a broad term applied to pure haze and haze hybrids.

If he had posted up that original haze was Columbian, that would be accurate according to all the lore, but soon after it wasn't pure Columbian anymore typically. Maybe he was just shooting for accuracy.

i think you are correct.
i was just to lazy to type it all out.
i find it interested that he never let phylos put it on their map

 

[MAHA KALA]

I think it’s a great question , purple is only seen in THH and Old timers which I believe is original Haze not from Sams hands

But if we consider he didn’t try and preserve Haze until 76 or so and it wasn’t his preference that may play a factor

1luvbigherb

yeah brother. positronics got ohaze from him at 80´s though, with purple phenotypes.. so can we talk about preferences in process of preservation? then we could call it selection too? I didn't find that black/purple pheno of THH interesting, too weak in effect. but those rainbow ones(half purple) are more interesting for me than green ones. they have different kind of euphoria, kind of funky one - different euphoria than at green haze or mango haze for example, which is such peaceful euphoria.. also are less clear, more denser effect - dont get me wrong, still more cerebral than any hybrid.. there are also red/maroon ones, would love to try blue pheno one day.. there are also reports from guys who remember incense purple haze from Amsterdam around 1990 and they are talking about heart chakra effect, very special one and different effect than at green ones. cheers.

 

[MAHA KALA]

I think that if he preserved it, he didnt make it as preservation of whole line, but divided it to many lines, separated. one of these lines is green one known as seedsman today, probably his the most favorite, other line is that which was base for tom hill´s selection, and probably many others, but what I know?

 

[JohnnyChicago]

There was also a golden Original Haze that was sold in the 90s that was very energetic and cerebral and it was unique according to the people at the time. Got it from my uncle as it did cause headaches to him, but not only to him.

After smoking you could feel the veins of your brain pumping blood. Did increase your brain pressure or at least it did feal like that.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

good but not exceptional ...
for those too long flowering for indoor is the end effect/yield not worth...
Seedsman has shorter flowering time and effect/yield are outstanding.
OTHz misses something that's there in THH and OHz.... OTHz is more a pure landrace.... while Seedsman is much more selected hence the many amazing pheno's that pop up...
sure you can find some in OTHz too but not so easy as in Seedsman OHz...


not yet... ;-)

and there is also a difference between Seedsman and the old OHz from 90'
Seedsman is more clear and not racy @ all
the old OHz is more like THH...
strong and sometimes blurred view.. but also amazing...
i'm surprised every day again ... taste high and duration are all improving...
around xmas i will do better smoke report...
M.

I tend to agree that OTH is a lot less ‘selected’ which IMO is a good thing if you’re willing and able to hunt. I’d like to explore THH further and MadMac, that may mean a seed purchase in the future based on what I’ve heard. I’ll admit, I have a lot of catching up to do in this thread. In the meantime, in jars from late last year...

Old THH seeds, a week or two early due to botrytis creeping up

Very racy with no real corporal effects. Dance, dance, dance.

OTH x Meao Thai

Green Thai crossed is amplified effect from the original pure OTH. Original OTH green was pure caffeine. The Thai adds a pleasant, sociable laugh factor.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

Haven’t sampled the purple yet, but I expect that more introverted slightly foggy effect I had from pure purple OTH. Hopefully the Thai brings social.

I would definitely want OTH in the top of my list...assuming I had the outdoor bandwidth. Crosses also seem to be epic potential in and outdoors.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

my minor in college was mycology....ive tek produced over 10 strains of highly potent fungi from penis envy to the little blue devils.......ive even been lucky enough to be at a dead show with family at knickerbocker arena(i never got out of the parking lot till 4 hours later) I tried diluted crystal L.S.D .............The only time ive had Super vivid visuals were on the diluted crystal and a bag of grass i got from my stepdads top drawer when i was in high school ....all shake except one big bud, i took the top of the bud....ran up to the top of the ring road...smoked it with my neighbor buddies russel and justin.........as i walked out of our smoking area everything took on a Disney cartoon color..........havent seen anything like that since....1990 area and from stoners who worked at IBM so who knows where mine came from but if your lucky enough to get access cannabis will ABSOLUTLEY make you hallucinate. my experiance ...fwiw

After glancing at harvestreapers post again.......I'd rather have a side effect be visuals then heart palpations....lol.

When I was a kid, my step father had a plant hanging in the barn. We called it ‘limey green’. Maybe two to three feet tall. I plucked it bare over a few months. One of the first smokes from it from a home made bits and pieces pipe. Bowl probably held a few grams.

At the pizza joint, my friend is literally choking for air in laughter. Convulsing in front of the whole restaurant. I get him up and into the bathroom. Someone hits the hand dryer and I swear I see space ships shooting out of it.

That was as close to a true trip as I’ve ever come on marijuana been plenty paranoid like the edgier times of a trip, but never the full blown psychedelics. Where’s limey green now?

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

Thats because haze and wats called old timers haze are two different strains...(that contain a similar parent)...that just have similarities..there are others that have sum similarities...call them haze too and thats wer the confusion begins

Haze is a culmination of multiple years breeding best selected sativas. Why not seeds from different years selections = different haze lines. OTH related to OH related to Nev’s or whatev’s. Just years removed from?