question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

[Donald Mallard]

i concur with the recommendation by hb and pinkus ,
ive toked some excellent mango haze and have enjoyed them all ...

 

[Sunshineinabag]

i found a plethora of info on mango from shanti......wow! You guys who put work into 12-14-16 week cultivars have the patience of an owl.....i am learning to distract myself from my flower rooms during hints of senesence....

 

[the_niño]

need to run me a solid mango haze some day

 

[Raho]

This was probably Nevils plan all along (just a goofy theory I made up a second ago). Throw some contradicting info out there here and there over the years causing continued drama (cause he knew what cannabis growers are like), so even in death it remains relevant and ensures a continued legacy. Not that him or his breeding would ever fall out of relevancy, but the drama keeps it at the forefront.

I imagine him laughing in his grave puffing his holy grail.

You obviously haven't read Nevil's posts on Mr Nice. It's the exact opposite of what you are suggesting.

Sam on the other hand has changed his stories regularly without ever providing an explanation.

 

[@hempy]

i dont really have a dog in the fight ,
haze is not something im that worried about to be honest ,


but i did talk to the guy on the phone , he said only one girl ,
she was the most impracticable plant he has ever seen ,
he made 3 lots of seed from it and it still was not ripe ,
from memory the 3 lots were ruderalis crosses ,
he said he regretted not keeping it or making more haze ,
and was left with only males after culling that girl ..

if he made more haze seed we would be hearing a lot more about it im sure ..



that was from the horses mouth via the telephone ,
i only spoke to the guy 4 or 5 times on the phone ,
i remember each conversation pretty well ,


one call was about hempy actually ,

he said while he can be difficult , his heart is in the right place ,

so i apologize upsetting the old bugger so much ,
but i cant help it sometimes , haha ..

im a rat bag on the odd occasion ...

I have nothing to gain from any of this but it seams drama Donald again all i am trying to do is keep it honest and factual.



After Neville's passing i had Neville's close friend who was in Holland with Neville before the castle days and was there next to Neville when he got and did the haze work and a lot more reach out and make contact.



If i am not sure about something i ask him me and Neville talked about haze a lot.



Neville did make pure Haze and he grew large numbers out they turned out to be crap.He told me about the female haze that would not finish that would not basically produce flowers.


That is not unusual for a lot of pure sativas indoors i told Neville why as i had seen the same and how you avoid that happening.



Somethings can not be explained like why haze dose better when it is hybridized to a different strain than it dose inbreed.But that dont mean you cant cross a haze to say a pure Thai or Colombian to keep it sativa.


Todd claiming to be his friend then calling him a junky is bull shit.

 

[@hempy]

Mango haze in my opinion is one of the best haze hybrids been growing it since 2002 when shanti released a small batch of test seed over at cannabis world.A lot of the testers culled a lot of the plants because they grew like jungle sativas massive error on there part.

I had 2 female keeps both 18/20 in flower found a excellent male super hazey and made f2s.No matter what i do i always had a MH in the corner best all rounder to date.

 

[OldCoolSativa]

Despite what Sam and Nevil have said, I'm not convinced that haze can't be improved through selection and inbreeding. Case in point: Tom Hill Haze.

 

[Ganja 13]

Somethings can not be explained like why haze dose better when it is hybridized to a different strain than it dose inbreed.But that dont mean you cant cross a haze to say a pure Thai or Colombian to keep it sativa.

Restoring inbreeding depression and potency ?

 

[@hempy]

Despite what Sam and Nevil have said, I'm not convinced that haze can't be improved through selection and inbreeding. Case in point: Tom Hill Haze.

Hi Old both Neville and Sam have said inbreeding haze dose not improve haze.

This is why Neville was in search of a plant to cross into haze.
What pure haze needs if people want to keep it as a sativa is to find a nice sativa to cross it to.The haze brothers if the story is to be believed did just that breed there best sativa to haze each season adding new geans to the haze not inbreeding haze.


A key point that was overlooked by most was Neville finding a very fast fat leaf plant among the haze seed he got from Sam.


I dont know that much about Tom hills haze but if its been inbreed i can guess it has become faster flowering and less expressive of haze.

 

[@hempy]

Restoring inbreeding depression and potency ?

I have inbreed heirloom / land races up to 10 generations i have one that is now inbreed 7 or 8 i need to look at notes. Never saw loss of vigor or potency.


When you inbreed a haze hybrid things change noticeable each generation like they flower faster.


Haze if inbreed going by Sam and Neville the plant changes greatly in quality.


If you find a nice plant in say Sams seed from Todd Sam has posted and said as has Neville cross it to an unrelated plant to the Haze.So haze has the ability to out cross but will not inbreed well.


I am not geneticist but that tells us haze has a dominate gean that if inbreed reduces the quality.But if it is out crossed it has a dominate gean that allows the quality of haze to be past on and dominate the other plant.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Hi Old that is exactly what both Neville and Sam have said and what i tried to tell people.
Why Neville Hybridized haze and why Sam is telling people to hybridize the seed Todd will be selling to there best plants.

I think you mixed up his can't with can.

 

[@hempy]

I think you mixed up his can't with can.

I did to thanks for that i will edit the post i need reading glasses

 

[Donald Mallard]

hempy if you press ctrl on the keyboard and roll on your mouse scroller ,
you can increase the size of the font up for bigger , down for smaller ,
makes quite a difference when the eyes are getting tired or worn out ,
might be easier for a while than glasses anyhow ..



you might already be onto this , but if not it could be of use ..

 

[@hempy]

hempy if you press ctrl on the keyboard and roll on your mouse scroller ,
you can increase the size of the font up for bigger , down for smaller ,
makes quite a difference when the eyes are getting tired or worn out ,
might be easier for a while than glasses anyhow ..



you might already be onto this , but if not it could be of use ..

Hi Donald i have a feature on my browser i can enlarge the text works great and very useful if i am researching and find a document with really small text but thanks for that.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

Despite what Sam and Nevil have said, I'm not convinced that haze can't be improved through selection and inbreeding. Case in point: Tom Hill Haze.

Is Tom Hill Haze really an improvement?

We also should consider when and in what context these statements had been made. When you hold something like the HazeA male or its progeny it is understandable that it makes not so much sense to inbreed it to find something better.

And with a pack of 10 Seedsman Haze seeds you must be very lucky to see any improvement by inbreeding it.
But with 100, 1000 or 10000?
The problem is who buys and grows 100, 1000 or 10000 (extreme nld) seeds?

 

[Limeygreen]

Imo tom hill haze is only improving the stature of the haze, original haze is better in effect.

 

[Fitzera]

You obviously haven't read Nevil's posts on Mr Nice. It's the exact opposite of what you are suggesting.

Sam on the other hand has changed his stories regularly without ever providing an explanation.

Just fucking around bud, it seemed a little tense in here. Nothing serious obviously

 

[MAHA KALA]

today I smoked a5panama, freshly dried, the one that tastes like citric tangerine. nice up effect, I felt light.. after two hours I smoked neville´s haze I got from Sammy.. total psychedelic hammer, very heavy, little less heavy than SSH.. after 3 hours I got crashed, terrible crash and typical dazed tiredness.. not good quality effect for me. after 4 hours of amazing effect of original haze, I usually feel refreshed, not crashed.. I dont think original haze needs any improvement, it just perfect greenhouse plant, unique and with hybridizing it is loosing its peculiar and unique properties.. second side of hybrid gets better, but not haze side, it gets kinda worse...

 

[clearheaded]

not to bring up old part of this thread, however think they were arguing over something that was just semantics.

perhaps neville was just saying the variety began in 1969 not that he got them in 1969 simply that the haze brothers began breeding it then. which does not conflict with Sams story that he gave the haze seeds to him in the 80s. one of those, u cant see the forrest from the SOG er something.

 

[AstroTHC]

today I smoked a5panama, freshly dried, the one that tastes like citric tangerine. nice up effect, I felt light.. after two hours I smoked neville´s haze I got from Sammy.. total psychedelic hammer, very heavy, little less heavy than SSH.. after 3 hours I got crashed, terrible crash and typical dazed tiredness.. not good quality effect for me. after 4 hours of amazing effect of original haze, I usually feel refreshed, not crashed.. I dont think original haze needs any improvement, it just perfect greenhouse plant, unique and with hybridizing it is loosing its peculiar and unique properties.. second side of hybrid gets better, but not haze side, it gets kinda worse...

Give me that Nevile

Maybe they are pure haze phenos in Neville Haze but in most you feel that dt.
Neville to me is like haze boosted NLxHaze.
As Maha said more up than SSH.
And Nevile with SSH want better flower formation and little bit more taste than mother NL5xhaze.

Pure Haze if i want i want like Maha describes it, that giggly up happy high without any stonyness just more evoken body senses that you feel sunshine and wind and music sounds better.
Not so strong but more clear with some rushes of heat and happines ,care free state of mind and electricity in body.
Pure Haze often makes me happy and like to smile at things and have conversation with people good bbq weed,frends family meeting.

But most of people today are similar in term of Haze to NL5xhaze phenos and crosses.
And it is the most powerful hybrid ever made.
And Haze mean that to most smokers in the world.
All of us remeber that one or more time when you smoke very powerfull herb called Haze but it was 99% haze hybrid.
So that is why all haze hybrids haze dominat people call haze.

In fact pure hazes,landraces.... and pure indicas not rafined to me lack of something,usualy after 3 days of only or mostly consuming them they seem to ordinary.
hybrids fits better to daily consumation expecialy if dont have many choices to smoke.
Haze fits me good on BBQ, before family meetings...i dont want to smoke good NL5xhaze and go somwhere were others are not stoned.
Nl5xhaze makes me to stoned for regular society.
While on pure haze i dont have problems with conversation with other people i just feel in head that im high and confirmed that from body rushes of energy and happyiness.
Maha if you dont try to grow buy Lanina i think that there in 70 days with very hazey look,best haze smells ever on some phenos that grows with big haze calyx you will find smoke of your choice very up creative but still chilled smoke which fade away you feel happy and relaxed it was my first choise as daily toke while i work a lot. And + for me is that there is no NL5,no haze A or C no skunk in it.

Here is one perfect smoke reprot;
''Its a very fast haze cross mine took less that 10weeks flowering even the hazy phenos and the smell taste and high of some of the phenos is trully special.I recommend it to all sativa hybrid fans that look for something special....very unique 'clear' smell.Reminds me of 'humbrol' glue and its that powerfull that it makes you kinda dizzy and if you smell powerful enough you feel it down your stomach like if you smell fuel/petrol/benzine/solvent/lime .....
The yields are kinda low but I d still prefer to have 1 gram of a selected LaNina clone that 3 times more bud from other strains.Its that immediate sativa high rush and the fact that LaNina will leave you happy even after the high has worn off that makes me love it so much .''