question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

[willydread]

hello,
here a few resinous ohhh-haze pic's
they are budding up nicely

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haZe loVe
M.

Ah, Every time it is an enjoyment to see these haze, and you make me want to do another cycle with these genetics ...
Congratulations!

 

[romanoweed]

Sam Skunkman
If the Thai Farmers just did selecting of the best Plants and replanting These (in other words inbreeding) , and the Quality of the early Thai-Weed is unquestioned... Then can you replicate that trough your own Selections at Home?


My concern could be 2 Possibilities: First, it could have been Close Outcrossing involved to generate such diverse Lines.. 2nd: the sheer Size might be a big Concern when dooing Selections at home with smaller Nubers then they might had. So if your selection is to small, it might be that the Degradation of your Selection is actually bigger, than the boost of wanted Traits.. Despite of you dooing Work...
I atleast never heard that someone once has taken a weakish Thai-Line, and substentially has increased the wanted Traits..
Im asking you, since that you have worked with Thai-Landraces: did you ever push the Limits of a Thai Line? Did you ever make it the "Thai"-Weed?

 

[browntrout]

Im about 1000 miles south Vancouver, and where I am, if you put a plant out I full sun in the spring from inside. It will fry.

Like I said. I HAVE burned up plants.

PPFD where I am exceeds 1700.

I have done both, this year I had great success taking my outdoor strains from 1000W MH after 2 weeks post cloning to direct sun in mid June at 45N, partially strain related I believe. Other years I had frying, this year I had a much more organic related approach and lots of beneficial micros.

However I have a very white true 400W LED that requires no hardening whatsoever, even on weaker/older clones, it creates much different growth than the regular MH/HPS. An older Spectrum King model, I wonder if UV / full spectrum is the key, or perhaps it is just as simple as lumen output.

 

[Tropical Sativa]

Wow, really beautiful plants Madmac! Very Christmasy with those huge trichomes They look super healthy, you've got those dialed in perfectly.

 

[Dr.King]

Just noticed in my seed vault, I have some Seedsman Original Haze. What makes them supposedly so special? I have 6 of them. Doubt it's enough to really reproduce much but could try some day if it's worth it. Happy growing all.

 

[yesum]

So I grew out two Original Haze and got one that I like a lot. I tasted Mexican pot when I toked it last time from a joint. Does this version of Original Haze/Seedsman have any Mexican in the mix? I understand the first version was only Colombian.

What I smoked did not taste like any Colombian I had from late 70's. But that is also true of the USC '72 Colombian Gold I grew out and smoked, as well as the Punto Rojo. None of the cedar and incense smell and taste of the late 70's Colombian.

Speaking of which, was there a early Colombian that tasted of wood and black pepper? I had some mystery brown pot around '74 to '75 that was life changing. I always assumed it to be Mexican as it did not have the distinct flavor of late 70's Colombians. Trip does not do it justice, better than the shrooms or acid that came later.

Not sure why some people say this strain is racy or noidy. I took mine at 12 weeks and still not really racy. Nice thoughts/feelings pretty much all the way thru. Maybe it will turn on me later!! The one pheno I did not keep was a nice high as well but had a bit of a feeling of tiredness at the end, not a crash but mildly laid back. I like a return to earth with no change in feelings from before smoking.

 

[bigherb]

So I grew out two Original Haze and got one that I like a lot. I tasted Mexican pot when I toked it last time from a joint. Does this version of Original Haze/Seedsman have any Mexican in the mix? I understand the first version was only Colombian.

What I smoked did not taste like any Colombian I had from late 70's. But that is also true of the USC '72 Colombian Gold I grew out and smoked. None of the cedar and incense smell and taste of the late 70's Colombian.

Speaking of which, was there a early Colombian that tasted of wood and black pepper? I had some mystery brown pot around '74 to '75 that was life changing. I always assumed it to be Mexican as it did not have the distinct flavor of late 70's Colombians. Trip does not do it justice, better than the shrooms or acid that came later.

Not sure why people say this strain is racy or noidy. I took mine at 12 weeks and still not really racy. Nice thoughts/feelings pretty much all the way thru. Maybe it will turn on me later!! The one pheno I did not keep was a nice high as well but had a bit of a feeling of tiredness at the end, not a crash but mildly laid back. I like a return to earth with no change in feelings from before smoking.

Sup brother

No Mexican in Original Haze


Always a pleasure to hear your experience

1luvbigherb

 

[Raho]

So I grew out two Original Haze and got one that I like a lot. I tasted Mexican pot when I toked it last time from a joint. Does this version of Original Haze/Seedsman have any Mexican in the mix? I understand the first version was only Colombian.

What I smoked did not taste like any Colombian I had from late 70's. But that is also true of the USC '72 Colombian Gold I grew out and smoked, as well as the Punto Rojo. None of the cedar and incense smell and taste of the late 70's Colombian.

Speaking of which, was there a early Colombian that tasted of wood and black pepper? I had some mystery brown pot around '74 to '75 that was life changing. I always assumed it to be Mexican as it did not have the distinct flavor of late 70's Colombians. Trip does not do it justice, better than the shrooms or acid that came later.

Not sure why some people say this strain is racy or noidy. I took mine at 12 weeks and still not really racy. Nice thoughts/feelings pretty much all the way thru. Maybe it will turn on me later!! The one pheno I did not keep was a nice high as well but had a bit of a feeling of tiredness at the end, not a crash but mildly laid back. I like a return to earth with no change in feelings from before smoking.

Hi Yesum,
Since you smoked the imported original Colombo, you know to judge your own flowers on effects more than taste.
No grower I know would treat a fresh harvest of oHaze the way Colombian smugglers treated the bales that came to the US. If you did that to weed you grew and tried to sell it today, you'd never move a gram.



The rich, Colombian taste is in there, but not over-fertilizing, growing to maturity and a good cure are important.


I think people assume after hearing descriptions of people's keepers that every ohaze plant they grow is going to be as good as the best haze they ever smoked. That can lead to some real disappointment.


The seeds Sam released always needed to be selected/worked.
Nevil's Haze A and C males were single superior plants out of many that are more responsible for the reputation of haze around the world than any other plants.
Seedsman oHaze throws a lot of phenos that taste like Haze C, and with some selection, can deliver effects that equal it and who knows, maybe even surpass the old boy (RIP.)



One thing Sam was pretty clear about (and hasn't changed his story on) over the years is the percentage of keepers to be found in a run of oHaze.
They are not all gonna be lightning in a mason jar, but you will definitely find something you like in a 10 pack of the old Seedsman gear.

 

[ambertrichome]

So I grew out two Original Haze and got one that I like a lot. I tasted Mexican pot when I toked it last time from a joint. Does this version of Original Haze/Seedsman have any Mexican in the mix? I understand the first version was only Colombian.

What I smoked did not taste like any Colombian I had from late 70's. But that is also true of the USC '72 Colombian Gold I grew out and smoked, as well as the Punto Rojo. None of the cedar and incense smell and taste of the late 70's Colombian.

Speaking of which, was there a early Colombian that tasted of wood and black pepper? I had some mystery brown pot around '74 to '75 that was life changing. I always assumed it to be Mexican as it did not have the distinct flavor of late 70's Colombians. Trip does not do it justice, better than the shrooms or acid that came later.

Not sure why some people say this strain is racy or noidy. I took mine at 12 weeks and still not really racy. Nice thoughts/feelings pretty much all the way thru. Maybe it will turn on me later!! The one pheno I did not keep was a nice high as well but had a bit of a feeling of tiredness at the end, not a crash but mildly laid back. I like a return to earth with no change in feelings from before smoking.

YES, there was Columbian in the 70s that had that Peppery Taste. Yep! 1000%.

Also remember all the heavy duty Sativa strains were originally from places that have YUGE amounts of UVA/B.

Equador has the highest UVA/B ever detected. At 20,000 feet, in the Andes. It was Equal to, or Exceeded the UVA/B on MARS.

Coastal Equador has such strong UVA/B they give warnings. This aint far from Columbia, and Columbia, is also high altitude. IMHO its a mistake not to grow these cultivars with as much UVA/B as possible/To a point.
We use at least 1 x 1150w Gavita x 20 Gallon Pot, and 4 x Sola Cure UVA/B bulbs per plant when growing 100% PURE IBL Sativa, or ANY hardcore Sativa Dominate Hybrid.

 

[MAHA KALA]

Not sure why some people say this strain is racy or noidy. I took mine at 12 weeks and still not really racy. Nice thoughts/feelings pretty much all the way thru. Maybe it will turn on me later!! The one pheno I did not keep was a nice high as well but had a bit of a feeling of tiredness at the end, not a crash but mildly laid back. I like a return to earth with no change in feelings from before smoking.

not sure why you think you can judge variety based on smoking two phenotypes????? and yes, original haze can be racy and there are phenotypes which taste like cedar, but its not green one.. if you think I sound grumpy. you sound to me very ehh.. incompetent

 

[yesum]

^^ Yeah, I remember you complaining about not being able to make good genetics with 20 plants, bottlenecks need 1000 plants. Now I grow 2 and make a comment, so I have to grow 100 plants. Not gonna happen, sorry.

Not clear if you love OH or not. Earlier posts indicated you liked it better than Nevil's Haze or THH I think. Me making a comment that I found early picked OH not racy are valid. The comments from others that I was referring to were that OH was in general or mostly racy/paranoid. I ran two and did not have that so..... Not a botanist or scientist running large numbers with strict rules/protocols, but do have views on pot.

Some people are just not gonna handle a pure sativa well. I think they would if they gave it a chance and kept at it. Some phenos of certain strains are going to be noidy or not real pleasant either sativa or indica leaning.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

When I see some people commenting Seedsman OH in this thread, I often do think we are not speaking of the same thing. And that's probably the case. Lot's of gossip on the net, but almost no Seedsman Haze pics.

 

[yesum]

Been looking thru this thread and saw you have been running a lot of OH plants Johnny. Have you found anything like your grail with it or others? I am running a couple OH x C99 now, that seems like a good combo.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

I can only confirm what Raho wrote. In every pack a good plant and every 3-4 packs potentially a grail, but it depends of what you are looking for and on your standards. I did find one for sure, the flat stem pheno.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Seedsman oHaze throws a lot of phenos that taste like Haze C, and with some selection, can deliver effects that equal it and who knows...[/FONT]
One thing Sam was pretty clear about (and hasn't changed his story on) over the years is the percentage of keepers to be found in a run of oHaze.
They are not all gonna be lightning in a mason jar, but you will definitely find something you like in a 10 pack of the old Seedsman gear.

This is what I posted in 2015.

Just a quick report on the smells of my dried Original Hazes.

My 3 favorites:

- the calyx on stem pheno - strong sour lemony hash/resin smell.

- the "dense" bud pheno - rooibos, spices, wood with some floral notes.

- the fasciated/flat stem pheno - Incense. Not like frankincense, but a very strong spicy peppery sweet incense! By far my favorite, but also the slowest (19weeks)

But 4 years later, I don't know which one I miss the most:

- The flat stem had simply the best and most potent effect of all. Was also the smellist and tastiest.

- The "dense" bud pheno (found 2 of them) had a great bag appeal. Great taste and potency. Such a cut is probably worth a lot of $$$ as it was fast too (15/16 weeks)

- The calyx on stem was the most C5-like, but much better than C5 of course as it is pure haze. So probably a HazeC pheno. Yielded almost nothing. But was a great parent.


My holy grail Hazes have always been A5 and the Original Haze sold in Coffeeshops in the 80/90s, but after growing OH and doing crosses with it, A5 is no more the grail it used to be for me, and found something similar to the Coffeeshop OHaze in the calyx on stem pheno's progeny. And then there is my Pan-o-Haze cut...

 

[MadMac]

ohhhh haze porn haha

ohhhh haze porn haha

hello,
here some o-haze porn for the weedend hehe

@JohnnyChicago -> your Metal O-Haze... soon ready ... 10 day's

those are the old o-haze line

have a nice weeded hehe
get hazed'
i'am ;-)
M.

 

[Raho]

Nice one Mac

 

[yesum]

I am finding the one pheno of OH has been great for me making decisions on some investments so far. Functional type high. $$$$$$$ Smoking it again it seems less Mexican tasting and more 'hashy'. I can tell this pheno is well under 20% thc and likely closer to 10%. Provides a solid high though. I am feeling a bit wired from smoking it a bit ago. This is from the same joint from a few days back, but has some perceived differences in taste and effect. Funny how that works.

 

[Dr.Young]

They way im looking at it...
Theoretically If you grow a strain with 3 known different expressions... All 3 of them are gonna have fatter/frostier versions...
Say incense red hair pheno
Say pepper wood orange hair
Say lemon cleaner pink hair

Your gonna wanna see at least a few versions of the 3 style girls to find the chunkier frostier stinker version.... it takes a ton of luck to find the primo version of your favorite girl...

I cant fuggin wait to hunt for my favorite Ohaze, tomhill, and nev haze girls. Documenting the whole thing, and playing with different males in the lines... Trying some pollen onto some elite clone only females if I get help obtaining those...
Not many people doing it... Its a shame one of the best so far is Neville and all he had was a Male A and Male C... then lost A so we got left with C...
I'd like to at least try ABCD
What say yee Madmac.. you already have a head start brother

 

[Dropped Cat]

Sam, I flower a thunk from 2009 seed lot, mum kept cuttings after cuttings.

I know you have cultivars that go back even further...

Many have posted on the black pepper scent of your OH, I was wondering
what your genetic contribution to the Thai Haze x SK1 produces the
black pepper in the Thai Haze x SK1 I flower vs the black pepper in the OH.

Or is it likely I have been flowering an OH that was mislabeled as Thai Haze x SK1.

 

[Dr. Purpur]

The Colombian Red I got, from about 1973-1976 was very gooey, deep redish black/brown, and was serious couch lock, red eye weed.Music sounded great, and food tasted wonderful. I had heard they had a special method of curing it. I heard they buried it. Probably pre dried. It was being brought into Oakland harbor in big freighter ships. Ot went for 40 bucks a zip, and it was well worth it. It did have seeds in it, and they grew too.
I think Sam lived just down the coast a bit, and Im sure he was getting the same Columbian then too. They brought in tons of the stuff


I was known as the "Columbian Man" because I always had it. I had a great contact