Pure Thai Sativas

[exoticrobotic]

By the way is there even any 1970’s > 1982 old-school Thai genetics left in Thailand? Please don’t tell me it’s hidden in some little village out in nowhere & I do know what old-school Thai weed is because I smoked plenty of it back in the day… why is it that every time these new markets open up in old-school countries they immediately go for the modern American genetics? Maybe they’re just sick of their own weed? Guess what I’m talking about chocolate Thai aka Buddha Thai that’s as Thai as gets ..it was narcotic ..Any of you guys smoked & remember this?

People mostly grow US hybrids to supply a steady tourist demand.

I guarantee there will also be a lot of local long flowering soaring trip weed being grown for elders' personal consumption. I hope you get lucky scoring this special smoke.

 

[flower~power]

I just feel it’s too much of a crapshoot & I’ve been disappointed in the past growing exotic lines ...Apologies if I’ve offended anybody’s sensibilities

 

[Donald Mallard]

I just feel it’s too much of a crapshoot & I’ve been disappointed in the past growing exotic lines ...Apologies if I’ve offended anybody’s sensibilities

they need to be grown outdoor in a suited climate to get the most from them usually ,
with the odd exception, the odd plant can do ok out of situ ...

 

[yesum]

I am always amazed how easily people get offended by opinions of pot effects, growing methods and all the rest. Save that for religion and political stuff. I was having fun with the 'how dare you' stuff. I keep thinking of Greta so often, I know it is wrong.

 

[exoticrobotic]

I just feel it’s too much of a crapshoot & I’ve been disappointed in the past growing exotic lines ...Apologies if I’ve offended anybody’s sensibilities

No offense taken here . Over the last 30 years i've become dissappointed with modern hybrids. I feel for the most part they lack the depth and distinction that you can experience with more exotic lines.

My aged receptors need a little extra nowadays.

 

[willydread]

While not strictly related to Thai ganjah, I noticed an interesting thing about Jamdung Jamaican sativa, which could be extended to other tropical strains as well:the effect also changes according to the amount smoked, let me explain better, if I smoke a small amount of Jamdung (or just take a few puffs) I get a very stimulating effect, to work it is perfect, active, euphoric, mentally lucid;If I increase the quantity it becomes stronger, a little more physical but still very cerebral and psychedelic; increasing the dosage again becomes really devastating...
This is probably how certain stories spread ....
Everyone wants cookies, kush and all things trendy, just because it's trendy!

 

[achille]

There is another vendor currently collecting and proposing seeds from Thailand and Cambodia, "Zomia Collective", has anyone tried yet ? They have some interesting locales infos

 

[romanoweed]

Music is another where the US is the leader, rap is now everywhere

yes, true.
There was a 60s , 70s Music Scene in SE Asia, the compleetly adopted the Music,
Music like Elvis , and Beatleas, they copyed it, but made their own Songs in this exact Style.
They dressed the same too, and the Female Singers even made their Hair voluminous ..

Lol

If you hunt Vinils form SE Asia, thats what you find.
And yes, they actually had and still have an own music culture. They have Instruments that you dont even know the name of.

 

[RandyCalifornia]

Zomia Collective

Some interesting varieties, they don't distinguish much between the #1,2,3 types. I'd give em a try at some point.

 

[Genghis Kush.]

Everything is an adaptation, a transformation, for cannabis like for everything on earth.

Take the same genetics and put it in different part of the world and it will adapt and transform, no need hybridization.

Pure NLDA has adapted to India, Thailand, Africa, Mexico, Colombia, Jamaica without hybridization imho. And NLDA has transformed to BLDA in the Hindu Kush without hybridization either and then become NLH at up latitude etc.

I think

Everything is an adaptation, a transformation, for cannabis like for everything on earth.

Take the same genetics and put it in different part of the world and it will adapt and transform, no need hybridization.

Pure NLDA has adapted to India, Thailand, Africa, Mexico, Colombia, Jamaica without hybridization imho. And NLDA has transformed to BLDA in the Hindu Kush without hybridization either and then become NLH at up latitude etc.

I think I agree. adaptation is plays a big role but part of adaptation comes from hybridization.

maybe hybridization is not the right word for what I mean about NLDAs like Thai.
what I’m taking about is mixing with your neighbors strains through pollen in the air or trading seeds.
it’s inevitable and it eventually creates a gene pool. I believe that is why we can refer to African strains and Mexican and South East Asian as being distinct for reasons besides adaptation

peace

 

[herbgreen]

That Zomia collective That's fantastic!

Thai plants!

you can sort of trace the morphology back look @ pics of the old thai stick plants

The Thai liberation of cannabis has got to be good!

They seem like the kind of people when they make up their mind about something Its done.


x

 

[romanoweed]

one last argument ,(skip if you bored):

There are multiple notions where the best Vietnamese Weed came from.

1: many people mentioned Dalat, they didnt speak about the Line DA WE Dalat, not , various old Stoners, like 3 , 4 times i heard this
2: One person said the best Vientmaese came from the Black Hmong
3: one person said the best came from the "Mountagnards" Tribe

So, what we have?

"Black Hmong" is just another word for the Mountagnards Tribe.
hmm, and where did the Mountagnards live? yes exactly, in Dalat..

So we have 100 percent agreement between each individual old Stoners notions, 100 Percent!

are Mountagnards for themselve..? or are they, on their Dalat mountain close to the Sea (Hybrid) ? yes, actally too..
For me, when i combine my Maps above, where i see relation between Good Weed and absense of Trading, Relation between good Weed and absense of foreign DNA analysis, (or just from Tibet China, Not Overseas), and Relation between good Weed and Tribes, then, think yourselve

It could be always missleading, only Dna analysis gives proove, lol, and there is room for error, whatever,

If you just take one Data i presented, ooh room left for other possibilities, yes,
If you take two data , ohh, still some room left for possibilities,
If you take three, yet enough room for possibilities, but less..

Really strong Landraces correlate quiet a bit with absense of far trading, count the Vietnamese Hilltribe as "close to the Sea", still you are left with congolese seclusion and correlation to strongest african Landrace ever..

Ok, count the congolese as "still bordering to tradingroutes", and including that single Trading Route at north Congo as evidence for foreign Genetics..

Still your left with relation to Tribes such as Pygmies, and the, ok assumtion that they are they are rather on their own, i mean thats what i see in dokus about tribes, they have the least contacts today, i guess also in the past?

Ok, count the tribes as more interested in uphighs, and high-lquality Effects.

I respectfully leave you a way an exit there, haha, i doo..

The Tribes beeing more often in non-trading Zones, Match ! Way out for you.! A inbreeding Theory therefore one of two Theories, the other beeing the Type of Mindset reflected in the good Weed. Have a great day. This time i felt like people were more interested. And that makes me happy.
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and here comes the laaaaast Argument. Funnierwise the most sought after Type of Landrace came all from tropical Belt, the Afghani is equally famous, ok, but its pointing thowards Terroir as a mayor Factor. It points for me to Humans Mindset not beeing as supper important, and aslong you dont breed in Tropics, so long you dont get a sought after Landrace.. THIS is the last Hypothesis wich counteracts the Idea that Human Mindset was of MAJOR importance.. THIS is letting me slip over and over again into my inbreeding-as-a major-Ingredient-for -Good-Weed Theory.


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One last thing, isnt thai so devastating compared to some Vietnamese, cause the Thaistick Grounds were in Luang Prabang, a center of many trading Routes? Was it slightly hybredized? For me that matsches, my Thai-experience was ELECTRIC. this electricity reminds me a bit of Hybrids Effects.. Just like a tiny breeze of it cause Thai was probably a mix from further away genetics, like nothern Laos, northern Thailand Cambodian?

Vietnamese is often free of this Electicity, free of this Hybrid feel.. It would match,
Just a Hypothesis

 

[xet]

Same plant, before (indoors) and after (outdoors). Untrimmed.

The leaf by the lighter was the largest fanleaf on the whole plant.

50'C/122'F+ temp summer.

Environment is 90% epigenetics. Genetics is only 10%.

Idduki Gold from TRSC

The plant's landrace status can be pushed or pulled in any number of ways.

There is a common misconception that landraces are wild when they are actually domesticates/cultivated.

Look at how man changed wolves and think about how preservation of a plant's traits will require several similar expectations.

A landrace grown at 16'N latitude taken to 60'N latitude and grown outdoors will no longer contend intense heat or sun which will force the plant to exchange traits for a new regional adaptation; it may even die for lack of adaptive cushion. Could a shark be thrown into a freshwater lake and told to survive? Maybe one in the ocean could do this.

Think of how a fish will explore a new surrounding.

Your plant will also explore it's new surroundings and become a new thing.

The old genes will become recessive and can be expressed again later when the environment demands it.

DNA is a sort of infinite library of records and nature is like checking out certain archived books in the plant's DNA history to make the plant survive.

I did not visit that plant for nearly 6 months.

It developed a woody stem covered in a hard wax.

Related article: "Wax helps plants to survive in the desert"

Wax helps plants to survive in the desert

The leaves of date palms can heat up to temperatures around 50 degrees Celsius. They survive thanks to a unique wax mixture that is essential for the existence in the desert.

www.sciencedaily.com

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

Hello everyone, just jumping in the conversation here. Im super new to this site so still learning the norms. I see people mentioning zomia collective and i had to post. Last year I ordered some squirrel tail #4 from zomia collective. When the second set of leaves came out with 5 blades, I knew I had found a good sativa.

I cloned and sent the mother to my buddy so we could flower and I could focus on cloning.

First picture is directly from seed, second pic is one of my newly rooted clone.

 

[@hempy]

I am a bit confused at why some think Thailand no longer has the genetics it had in the 70s or even 80s.

If they exist here i am sure they still do there and when did prohibition ever stop people from growing and enjoying cannabis ?

You will also find Government /Universities with large Cannabis genetic banks just like they do here and in the US and other country's.

 

[xet]

I am a bit confused at why some think Thailand no longer has the genetics it had in the 70s or even 80s.

If they exist here i am sure they still do there and when did prohibition ever stop people from growing and enjoying cannabis ?

You will also find Government /Universities with large Cannabis genetic banks just like they do here and in the US and other country's.

They say Thai no longer exists because it is defacto "Popular opinion." (popular opinion depends on the day not the facts, lol?)

Not only do I see the confused people say the thai no longer exist sI also see the same people say something to the effect of "Modern hybrids have ruined the world, landraces no longer exist."

And what is a modern hybrid?

A brazilian crossed with a south indian ruined the world?

A nepalese crossed with a colombian ruined the world?

First and foremost I would like the farmers of the world to longer suffer poverty and if those farmers trade their so-call landrace for a heftier crop, mangoes or corn even, to not be in poverty and that upsets people then why do people have their ego tied up in a poor man's farm or family and not their own?

Generally I believe the people who should want to preserve a landrace are deserving to preserve that landrace and share that landrace with people who share a common mission of preserving that landrace.

On the one hand these people say thai does not exist and in the same breath they say but don't bring hybrids to thailand. lol

 

[@hempy]

The single main threat to land race / heirloom variety's is now big cannabis who think its their right to own and control cannabis and Thailand has foreseen this and has kept it in house unlike other country's.

I would think industrial hemp being grown and it being called Medical cannabis as being a larger threat than modern hybrids being grown.

 

[xet]

The single main threat to land race / heirloom variety's is now big cannabis who think its their right to own and control cannabis and Thailand has foreseen this and has kept it in house unlike other country's.

I would think industrial hemp being grown and it being called Medical cannabis as being a larger threat than modern hybrids being grown.

I agree 10 thousand times.

Making it illegal to own Cannabis genetics because of patenting et al without some sort of permission slip from the man is so evil.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Id say it absolutely still exists ,,
but 40+ years on , its not exactly the same as some seed you might have pulled out of a field in 1980 or 75...

that said ,, with the bits and pieces that have been held onto in thailand , and neighbouring laos ,, it could come back to something pretty similar , since those are all descendants of the original stuff from back in the day ...

 

[xet]

I am no betting man but I feel I could want to start by throwing down $20 that genetic analysis proves this Thai is an identical genotype from the 1950s.

g. https://www.icmag.com/threads/rscs-bokeo.17902198/page-3