Pure Thai Sativas

[romanoweed]

sorry i misread it slightly..

yes, the whole region of say Vietnam interbreed slightly.. probably a breeze from oversee eventually, but the further away, the more rare..

I always think, IF inbreeding works.. Why would a Culture certainly exchange their pure breed with an oversea Landrace..
I heard people talk , like it happend.. they see a logbook, and yes sometimes they shipped Seed, but i dont think it overtook a regions Genepool often.. I think , heck, a a couple 10000s seeds, they were not always shared wide.. And in the secluded mountains few landed there..

There is simply not a clear statement to wich degree the outcrossing happend.. And we are in the Thai Thread..And SE Asia in general doesent show much interbreeding.. So. wel.. I simply was going up the roof . I think, yes, there was some interbreeding, but i did the math how fast a drop in the Ocean the Genetics spread.. I applyed math for it.. And ts not very much.. It must be spread by people into the Country site

screw it. Sorry my, im bizzy, have a blessed day.. .. (you need tea for blessing)

 

[romanoweed]

<you are all insane!!!!!!!!!!!-

misterious clods over sweden, is this our knowledge about marrocan? we get sahara dust every 4 years in spring here.. but do they get dust from us? i dunno.. Im turning ubsittde down. the probably do cause marrocan weed sometimes raises the quest for more.. would thais do the same? would Bordeaux region do the same with bordeaux? not shure. bring data.. i think its a thin layer of dust, lol

 

[Genghis Kush.]

The idea of a pure “race” is a myth.

a landrace can only be “pure” if it was developed from wild Cannabis and never mixed with any other versions .
that doesn’t really exist in Thai ganja or anywher.

everything is a hybrid, it’s just a matter of how far back the hybridization occurred

 

[Donald Mallard]

i think pollen being airborne for long distances can only occur in very arid areas with massive amounts of male plants ,
doubtful it happens many other places ,

in the tropics the humidity seems to slow the pollen spreading down quite a lot , the sort of terrain , whether its forested , or not , mountainous or not, also makes a fair bit of difference,
i would bet that cloud from morocco only occurs from morocco due to the amount of plants and the conditions of that region ...

 

[Chi13]

There’s a reason why people all over want and desire modern hybrids

There's a lot of reasons, not all of them good.

 

[yesum]

There’s a reason why people all over want and desire modern hybrids

How dare you!! There is also a reason a few people do not want them, like me. Old timers who smoked them long ago mostly but some younger smokers as well. Hybrids are better overall but lacking in certain cerebral effects that a few seek. Clear and clean upper effects with no crash, and also tripped out if lucky. Much rarer with the tripped out effect. Did I mention Chellakutti? I did.

 

[Chi13]

I suspect the Thai's will mainly be growing hybrids so they can cater for tourists. I guess that depends on what they can get away with growing too. Will growers be indoors or stick to outdoor? Wal, will hybrids grow in that climate?

Hopefully there will be boutique producers who will cater for the older crowd who appreciate the older strains.

Anyway, legal is great. It's especially great that a previously hardline Asian country like Thailand has done this. I hope there is a domino effect in SE Asia. Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam would be nice too. Australia and NZ, are you paying attention? Thailand is a much more attractive holiday destination for this medical user.

 

[romanoweed]

i didnt find the map of old longterm Tradingroute, but i i assure you its identical.. 100 percent identical. See that gap of Routes in Congo?
Lets call it less trading, not a total gap, everyone could reach another one day, but its not reall where the big traffic is. right?

See now how SE Asia did not have very far related Genetics in this DNA based Map i guess:

I cant make a statement about South/middleamerica, since to this day, i couldnt find very clear indication where the best came from.. I guess mexican Weed was special. OK, there you have a Trading pointer.. But two of the most famous Weed, namely Congolese and all SE Asian point thowards absense of far Hybridisation.

Another Example about the Pollenanalysis by Robert Clarke:

I heard once in the Newspaper: Switzerland , my Country has a higher genetical similarity to Egyptians..
Oh oh, we are related to the misterious Egptians could one think.

Well:

Guess wich is wich.
Ah you guessed it?

thats cause its just a similarity in the Gene, wich stemms from Egyptians, but probably 95 percent of the Genetic is distinct.
So much to Robert clarks Genetic analysis. it shows heritage yes! but not percentage.. 95 percent difference ... but indication of heritage we have.

Im even bit unshure if Robert Clarkes Calssification, that African and Columbian are labelled from himselve as "Hybrid" is very accurate..
He probably has its reason, but when i look at a bamboo thin Congolese then im seriously dobting its too much of a Hemp or Afghani left from the Anchestry..

I think its wise to question statemnts, not just adapt his Classification "Hybrid" .
Stuff is long adaptedt to new Lands after 1000s years , and has probably a breeze left.

Thats why i lean thowards inbreeding. , even i only have a handfull of things that point into this direction, thats how i feel am, cause most pointed thowards inbreeding if i overlayed the most legendary Races, like all SE Asians, Congolese with Facts.. And again i have no clear knowledge over Southamerica. Wich was the most legendary Region there?

Were some landraces hybredized? yes probably.. were the core, most Legendary soght after Landraces hybredized? i tend to think no.
And thats important for me to know, how to make a Legendary landrace.. it interbreeds in a Region, without too much other Imputs

 

[Roms]

The idea of a pure “race” is a myth.

a landrace can only be “pure” if it was developed from wild Cannabis and never mixed with any other versions .
that doesn’t really exist in Thai ganja or anywher.

everything is a hybrid, it’s just a matter of how far back the hybridization occurred

I think that everything is an adaptation, a transformation, for cannabis like for everything on earth.

Take the same genetics and put it in different part of the world and it will adapt and transform, no need hybridization.

Pure NLDA has adapted to India, Thailand, Africa, Mexico, Colombia, Jamaica without hybridization imho. And i think that NLDA has transformed to BLDA in the Hindu Kush without hybridization either and then become NLH at up latitude etc.

 

[flower~power]

Lol..yes … I dared

 

[flower~power]

By the way is there even any 1970’s > 1982 old-school Thai genetics left in Thailand? Please don’t tell me it’s hidden in some little village out in nowhere & I do know what old-school Thai weed is because I smoked plenty of it back in the day… why is it that every time these new markets open up in old-school countries they immediately go for the modern American genetics? Maybe they’re just sick of their own weed? Guess what I’m talking about chocolate Thai aka Buddha Thai that’s as Thai as gets ..it was narcotic ..Any of you guys smoked & remember this?

 

[romanoweed]

beacuse modern thai is made from dealers that cash in , in the Thai way. they probably ditch some seeds, and dont care for selection, observation, dilligence, and purity.

secound reason is, cause , well times change. what was important yesterday, such as spirituality , tradition, family and such is less important today..
Today many Tropical contries seem to have alot hopes in anything Westener..
So, all the young people today in Thailand want is: NOT what their Elders want.. They dont listen nomore so much on what they say, and hell, they especially dont get an advise what phenotype is best to select for in Weed.. Cause most of todays Thai is very different.. Tradition gone.. (Some say its still the same, so lets respect that, its all my impression, no claim no proove).

Many legal Food-Landraces go extinct too.. its just dying..
So , in the good old times, when the most advanced Product of most people was a healty Plant, a healthy cow, back then they certainly had interesse in Landrace.. Their interestes were just different.. Today, any Thai Person has seen sexy Cars, heard sexy music, seen sexy bars, sexy houses.. And natural Landraces look old even in their Eyes. Its forgotten. They laugh over it ,

Please dont ask me anything nomore , its getting totally overloaded with my posts.. i cant speak, good night.

So, you dont wanna tell me Thais do the same as yesterday and outcross same often as yesterday?
The anwser is no.. Everything has compleetly changed.. cultural, from a Law perspective, the millenium, the Technique, the Times.

the best thai today is probably an old Seed from the 70s in westener Hands.. IMHO, IMHO IMHO.. Says mustafunk aswell

 

[Taima-da]

Ok, I can only find reference online to pollen from Morocco bring recorded in southern Europe, but I vividly recall a graphic showing much greater distribution in the mid nineties when living in Holland. As you can imagine it was the nub of quite some conversation at the time.

 

[Donald Mallard]

I suspect the Thai's will mainly be growing hybrids so they can cater for tourists. I guess that depends on what they can get away with growing too. Will growers be indoors or stick to outdoor? Wal, will hybrids grow in that climate?

Hopefully there will be boutique producers who will cater for the older crowd who appreciate the older strains.

Anyway, legal is great. It's especially great that a previously hardline Asian country like Thailand has done this. I hope there is a domino effect in SE Asia. Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam would be nice too. Australia and NZ, are you paying attention? Thailand is a much more attractive holiday destination for this medical user.

yes absolutely hybrids will grow there chi,
they may not get huge like cali ,
but id bet they will be better quality due to the climate ,
the hybrids they will grow there could be some of the best folks have sampled im betting ,as long as they take care to do it right ,
and it will allow them to have several crops per year also ,

thai people are good at growing stuff , id say there will be some very high quality cannabis there , well having spoken about and seen what they are already doing , its already there , despite that legality date only being today , they will be already harvesting buds , hehehe ..

 

[Taima-da]

By the way is there even any 1970’s > 1982 old-school Thai genetics left in Thailand? Please don’t tell me it’s hidden in some little village out in nowhere & I do know what old-school Thai weed is because I smoked plenty of it back in the day… why is it that every time these new markets open up in old-school countries they immediately go for the modern American genetics? Maybe they’re just sick of their own weed? Guess what I’m talking about chocolate Thai aka Buddha Thai that’s as Thai as gets ..it was narcotic ..Any of you guys smoked & remember this?

Yeah, I'm sure the genes are there just not concentrated in the same way, but diluted out. That's what fifty years or so of lack of selection does. In spite of environmental conditions still being what they are.
That's why I think they can be selected for again given, -as Romano points out, the right environment.

 

[Donald Mallard]

i think one of the reasons they will include modern american genetics is the hype surrounding it ,
no offence , but americans hype stuff like no one else ,, lol ...

is it better , heck no its not ,, i hear many americans complain all the time how similar and boring it has all become , how its all about taste , look , smell and not about the important part , the high ..

is there thai or similar , for sure ,, the country next door , laos has continued to grow cannabis the whole time since it was all but eradicated in thailand , due to the american goverment insisting apon it ,

so yea theres some stuff very similar , if not the same , just needs a bit of selection ...

 

[herbgreen]

Plants mimic each other eventually....

Plants need to be studied their behavior is not very well documented

...Plants respond to each other and us in mysterious ways

It needs to be outdoors in Jamaica and in Colombia In mexico Thailand Laos

Its bullshit really Not using the sun is total bullshit

.....that sounds like a really negative sentence but its true.

I think instead of indoor...

green house + plant based fertilizer +worms

solar for the extra lights and air system

Make the circle complete

 

[xet]

By the way is there even any 1970’s > 1982 old-school Thai genetics left in Thailand? Please don’t tell me it’s hidden in some little village out in nowhere & I do know what old-school Thai weed is because I smoked plenty of it back in the day… why is it that every time these new markets open up in old-school countries they immediately go for the modern American genetics? Maybe they’re just sick of their own weed? Guess what I’m talking about chocolate Thai aka Buddha Thai that’s as Thai as gets ..it was narcotic ..Any of you guys smoked & remember this?

Plenty.

RSC's Bokeo

I was posting info on my Bokeos in another thread, and figured I'd start one just for these. I got these beans as freebies from KwikSeeds. Not much info on the RSC blog: 12 seeds of Bokeo, a ganja domesticate from the Mekong region of northern Laos. Seeds tested c. 40% viability, producing...

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[yesum]

By the way is there even any 1970’s > 1982 old-school Thai genetics left in Thailand? Please don’t tell me it’s hidden in some little village out in nowhere & I do know what old-school Thai weed is because I smoked plenty of it back in the day… why is it that every time these new markets open up in old-school countries they immediately go for the modern American genetics? Maybe they’re just sick of their own weed? Guess what I’m talking about chocolate Thai aka Buddha Thai that’s as Thai as gets ..it was narcotic ..Any of you guys smoked & remember this?

Chocolate Thai was not the same as the earlier stuff, from what I have read. Stony and quite a bit like modern hybrids. I had Colombian Red that was similar to modern stuff, but a bit more dreamy and tripped out. Stony again.

I have Laos that is all up and I think similar to the old Thai weed. Among the phenos there was one that was narcotic and not up at all. I notice that people that have to do physical work make selections that give the soaring effect. After they get to a place where hard physical labor is not a daily necessity, they tend to want to mellow out. The 'less advanced' lands have the soaring and sometimes, trippy stuff.

Laos is still not so advanced in tech and all that. The Indian lines I have are all very sativa in effect and the Chellakutti must have been selected for spiritual or alternate reality effects along with not tiring you out. These are from country people and not from Delhi or some more modern area. People in most places that have less money and gadgets and machines look to the US as the leader in everything. Clothing fashions come from here often. Blue jeans are now everywhere, that was an old fashion trend going back to the sixties. The US smugglers would trade blue jeans for pot way back when. Music is another where the US is the leader, rap is now everywhere. God help them, hehe.

So yes, I will tell you pure sativa lines exist in little villages around the world. Similar to lines that go back decades or much longer like centuries. Less common each day of course. You always think another country has something better than you, and when the US has more money and stuff in general, it is assumed that anything from there is to be preferred.

 

[Taima-da]

I'm with the idea that cultures where hard physical labour is the norm value long lasting uplifting effect over initial punch.