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Pure Thai Sativas
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G`day Thule
Yes Cambodia was a Hindu Kingdom at one time .
I`ve been to an ancient Hindu temple on the Thai / Cambodian border .
A friends father was employed by the Thai army to eradicate Kancha crops in East Isaan . He got shot by the farmers ...
I saw the scars .
The old growing areas had the red volcanic soil I recognise from other growing hot spots around the world . Volcanic soil is hard to beat .
I also found that the odd older person still grew a plant per year for leaves to add to soup . That`d be your Chinensis I`m guessing .
It was easier to score amphetamines than it was to score Kancha . Ya Bah is rife .
Thanks for sharin
EB .
Genghis Kush
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anybody here, ever grow Mama Thai, from seedsman?
This is one of the biggest tragedies in Cannabis history. There were many that did not like Thai Sticks, but I cannot think of anyone who smoked it that questioned it's extreme power.
I think it is the most worthy of projects to try and bring it back. I believe there are people scattered around the world that have saved cuttings or have maintained some seed stock, including some commercial breeders where it is used to cross with other strains to boost potency. I would like to see these people get together and produce Thai x Thai crosses that could give it a chance to be widespread again.
The only strain I grew that gave me the Thai vibe was one particular individual of Haze, which is known to have Thai in it's lineage. I stupidly lost that individual which would have been worthy of crossing to a pure Thai plant. We need to put a couple of these isolated individuals together to make large numbers of seeds and spread them freely as a charity to the world of Cannabis connoisseurs.
I have some seeds of that Haze individual, which is greater than 50% of the genetics of the mother, by way of backcrossing. I have grown many of them and have not found one with that Thai high expression. The remaining few have been sitting in my refrigerator for over a decade waiting for me to find another worthy of trying to revive those genetics. My time is running out, due to the likelihood of reduced viability of the seeds, if it has not already done so.
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I think that's exactly the case and could explain a lot of the diversity we're seeing. I don't know why Thai is often quoted as being a typical extreme NLD variety when most of the strains I've encountered have quite wide leaves and robust structure.
Or are these "Thai" strains with wider leaves simply descendants of Afghani/Californian varieties introduced in the 80's to Thailand?? Another question for Sam, he was there in the 70's so, I'm sure he'd know and tell us if he noticed any wide leaved Thai strains in Thailand. Also the current study into the origins of cannabis will also eventually prove whether they were introduced recently or a long time ago.
With the heavy tropical rainfalls that Thailand gets in the center and south and with drizzle rains of the northern mountain regions, I'd be surprised to learn that wide leaved Thais existed prior to the 70's or 80's .;..I live in a similar climate to there and in most years, wider leaved, denser budded strains get shredded by hard rains, have their stiff branched broken by strong winds, get eaten by bugs and develop mold outdoors while Thais and those with similar traits don't nearly suffer the same problems as they bend with the typhoon winds, the rain doesn't damage the skinny leaves and the seed bracts are spaced further apart which helps prevent mold.
Originally Posted by Thule View Post
I think that's exactly the case and could explain a lot of the diversity we're seeing. I don't know why Thai is often quoted as being a typical extreme NLD variety when most of the strains I've encountered have quite wide leaves and robust structure.
Or are these "Thai" strains with wider leaves simply descendants of Afghani/Californian varieties introduced in the 80's to Thailand?? Another question for Sam, he was there in the 70's so, I'm sure he'd know and tell us if he noticed any wide leaved Thai strains in Thailand. Also the current study into the origins of cannabis will also eventually prove whether they were introduced recently or a long time ago.
With the heavy tropical rainfalls that Thailand gets in the center and south and with drizzle rains of the northern mountain regions, I'd be surprised to learn that wide leaved Thais existed prior to the 70's or 80's .;..I live in a similar climate to there and in most years, wider leaved, denser budded strains get shredded by hard rains, have their stiff branched broken by strong winds, get eaten by bugs and develop mold outdoors while Thais and those with similar traits don't nearly suffer the same problems as they bend with the typhoon winds, the rain doesn't damage the skinny leaves and the seed bracts are spaced further apart which helps prevent mold.
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I saw Thai plants in Thailand with super skinny leaves and with fat leaves, and they were not from Afghan, WLD Indica varieties.
DNA Project work will help us to understand the Cannabis relationships.
I have said for years that I think Yunnan is the parents of both WLD and Thai, maybe I am right? The DNA work will help us understand this.
-SamS
DNA Project work will help us to understand the Cannabis relationships.
I have said for years that I think Yunnan is the parents of both WLD and Thai, maybe I am right? The DNA work will help us understand this.
-SamS
Hi Sam
I agree with you on that.
I also have a feeling that this is the case with a lot of the varieties from southeastern Africa (Malawi etc).
mofeta
I've thought about that a lot and it's certainly possible when it comes to the most common commercial strains from Thailand, but when you see wide leave plants on a remote hill in the Laotian countryside it doesn't seem so plausable. Cannabis is native to both China and India so it would seem natural that the Indo-Chinese varieties are some sort of a mix. Yunnan is a rainy climate too but still the majority of plants there have wide leaves. The plants germinate during the dry season so maybe that has something to do with it.
These are Cbg Meao Thai pictures that I found yesterday
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Yunnan is a rainy climate too but still the majority of plants there have wide leaves. The plants germinate during the dry season so maybe that has something to do with it.
I've never been there, but I'd bet that the seeds are germinated in the wet season (Feb ~ June?) and mature during the dry season (Oct ~ Feb) as most growers do in tropical and sub-tropical zones (for the main/long season grows).
I've never been there, but I'd bet that the seeds are germinated in the wet season (Feb ~ June?) and mature during the dry season (Oct ~ Feb) as most growers do in tropical and sub-tropical zones (for the main/long season grows).
I'm happy this evening, because i completly forget i've give a cut of my red thai last year. Until i saw 2 big bush in pot with the craziest thin leaf ever!
He told me like a good roughneck like he is! That your red thai you gimme last year!
He save a mom, and put 2 cut outside, so i'm happy i can still sourced that lovely strain!
I forget this winter but the smoke, was just to euphoric with a kind of leather taste!!!!
Sadly they dont lemme take pictures!
He told me like a good roughneck like he is! That your red thai you gimme last year!
He save a mom, and put 2 cut outside, so i'm happy i can still sourced that lovely strain!
I forget this winter but the smoke, was just to euphoric with a kind of leather taste!!!!
Sadly they dont lemme take pictures!
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Well I've been lurking on ICmag here for few years now and figured I'd finally sign up and join the conversation, I've thoroughly enjoyed this particular thread and the valuable info everyone has provided.
The seeds above I got from some old jamaican brick weed that who knows how it got to the guy whom hooked me up.... But that bold flavorfull spicyness was just awesome! Sadly it was a fairly speedy "high" but really did hit the spot. The way it tasted just reminded me soo much the way people rhapsodise about thai stick. So I figured I'd share as I've heard all kinds of stories about indian, thai, other strains being imported to jamaica ages ago.
don't suppose anyone like sam might be able to tell by the few seeds pictured what conclusively they are? The weed itself was really like a hash brown color.
I've been putting off attempting to grow these old beans (as there's only 11 of them) till I'd mastered my style of growing with coco and am now seriously considering giving these a go.
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this tigered pattern occurs with many hybrids i´ve seen
to judge from the seed only may be very difficult..
these look like some afghan sativa hybrids to me..
since c99 i grew or even amnesia or others
which had some afghani or nl in them looked the same..
some say sativas have very small seeds dont know this coin
so not sure how to judge but perspectively they look rather
normal sized or big.. except one of them which could fit.
pop them and find out
and welcome to icmag
to judge from the seed only may be very difficult..
these look like some afghan sativa hybrids to me..
since c99 i grew or even amnesia or others
which had some afghani or nl in them looked the same..
some say sativas have very small seeds dont know this coin
so not sure how to judge but perspectively they look rather
normal sized or big.. except one of them which could fit.
pop them and find out
and welcome to icmagThanks for the welcome! Thats a Canadian dime, same size as british and american ones. Those are some HUGE seeds, make Mallbery's lake malawi/nyassa seeds look small by comparison.
If I didn't already have a full house with my non-GMO veggies, herijuana and super silver hazes, I'd be giving these a go right now.
If I didn't already have a full house with my non-GMO veggies, herijuana and super silver hazes, I'd be giving these a go right now.
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(Please forgive me if this question has already been discussed and answered)
Why does the strength and quality of the high from many tropical sativas improve dramatically after several months correct storage compared to smoking the same plant just a week or two after harvest? And of course all strains show improvement, from my experience most indica or wide leaved drug cultivators seem to be only slightly better after 3 months compared to trying it after just 2 or 3 weeks while long flowering thin leaved tropical landraces definitely get several times better.
Why does the strength and quality of the high from many tropical sativas improve dramatically after several months correct storage compared to smoking the same plant just a week or two after harvest? And of course all strains show improvement, from my experience most indica or wide leaved drug cultivators seem to be only slightly better after 3 months compared to trying it after just 2 or 3 weeks while long flowering thin leaved tropical landraces definitely get several times better.
Generally speaking, a good cure tends to improve potency, aroma and taste. I only ever grow Sativa out here in the sticks and I have found that about one month of cure yields good results for me. Your mileage may vary.
I've been reading about terpenes lately, and some of them make THC stronger. I have noticed that over time the terpene profile of my buds change. I think some terpenes diminish at a different rate than others. If the ones that make THC stronger persist, while ones that make THC weaker are more volatile, then the THC enhancing terpenes become more dominant over time. This is my guess. Sam Skunkman is "the dude" when it comes to terpenes. He is the person to ask.
ThaiBliss
