Pure Thai Sativas

[ozza]

All the Thai sticks back in the 1970's had seeds and male flowers, they were known to be capable of flowering for up to 20 months and grow to over 25 ft, so that was probably the closest to the real thing as you're likely to get

Back then all weed had seeds in and lots of twigs

You meant 20 weeks hey?

 

[ngakpa]

All the Thai sticks back in the 1970's had seeds and male flowers, they were known to be capable of flowering for up to 20 months and grow to over 25 ft, so that was probably the closest to the real thing as you're likely to get

Back then all weed had seeds in and lots of twigs

you can look at customs reports on 70s seizures which show that this isn't true

up until about '75 there was very high quality seedless Thai being exported to the US, UK etc.

have a search for the old UNODC reports online - these are based on many hundreds of samples, rather than just one person's assertions

 

[ngakpa]

Not a pure Thai sativa, but a contemporary Laotian. My favourite in terms of looks.

people make way too much of national boundaries when discussing strains

the most famous Thai growing region - called Isan - is an ethnically Lao region

Isan growers in Thailand will speak Lao at home, with few exceptions

the strain grown in Laos across the Mekong River from Nakhon Phanom in Isan is essentially the same strain as is grown in Thailand

there are parts of Laos where a distinct different strains is grown - for example in Vientiane Province; this is rather different from the typical 'Thai' variety... it is the type Real Seed Co sold as 'Mekong'

similarly further north into Laos up in Luang Prabang a different cultivar prevails

but the point is that the major historic growing region of Thailand - which is along the Mekong in Isan from Nong Khai down to Nakhon Phanom - is ethnically Lao... in fact it is the heartland of Lao culture, along both banks of the Mekong River

in Isan and Central Laos they grow essentially the same type of plant

 

[numide]

Mekong RSC

Mekong RSC

 

[Hmong]

well guys I still owe some pics from last year.
during the end of the Thai grow and after 22 weeks of flowering I was pretty burned out and had no pleasure in taking and posting pics anymore.

Hmong Hilltribe:

pheno #6 FD136 (2 more weeks to go)



harvest FD154^^

 

[Hmong]

and the cured herb

 

[Elmer Bud]

and the cured herb


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G`day Folks

Thai herb from Burma / Thai border .

Collected a cpl of dozen seeds .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

All the Thai sticks back in the 1970's had seeds and male flowers, they were known to be capable of flowering for up to 20 months and grow to over 25 ft, so that was probably the closest to the real thing as you're likely to get

Back then all weed had seeds in and lots of twigs

Not true, not all had seeds and male flowers.
In Thailand I went through many Kgs by hand with a screen to find just a few seeds to take home. A few per Kg.
-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

On germination......I've found that tropical landraces tend to germinate slower than most modern hybrids, I've also noticed that heat plays an important part of germination success with Thais and other tropicals, so make sure your seeds are soaked in water, placed on wet tissues in a sealed container or planted in a medium that is warm. Many hybrids will germinate at 20C but Thais attain higher germination rates when the temps are high 20's, so aim for 25+degrees C or mid-70's+ F.

I have produced millions of tropical landrace seeds, they germinate in 24 hours and are as quick germinating as any.
-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I collected seeds in Thailand and Laos several times in the 70's and early 80's In the Isan, it was traditionally the best Thai Cannabis,
not in and around Nakhon Phenom, more around Sakon Nakhon. As well I also collected more seeds in Thailand, more north, more south, and in Laos in Vientiane, Luang Prabang, and elsewhere. The Cannabis grown in Laos was similar but not quite the same, not as good. I grew massive amounts of all of them in my greenhouse.
Today the big production is in Laos and it is not as good as the Thai in the 70's around Sakon Nakhon was before the trade was dismantled by DEA pressure. Even in the countryside, the farmers around Sakon Nakhon spoke more Thai then Lao was my experience, I had a western guide that was studying and fluent in Thai and Lao languages, both the current dialect and the ancient dialects only spoken by academics, or people that studied religion. It made it easy to understand anyone we met as well as impress them.
To make this easy to understand, papayas are grown in Thailand and Laos, while similar they are not the exact same papaya, I prefer the reddish salmon colored long thin Thai papayas, much better. (see below)
Thailand Papaya
Sai-nampueng hermaphrodite Red
Khaek Dam hermaphrodite Red
As well as Eksotika, a Malaysian variety grown and called "Holland" in Thailand.

Most farmers in Thailand think Papayas have always been grown in Thailand, they were introduced maybe 200 years ago from Mexico or S America.

-SamS

people make way too much of national boundaries when discussing strains

the most famous Thai growing region - called Isan - is an ethnically Lao region

Isan growers in Thailand will speak Lao at home, with few exceptions

the strain grown in Laos across the Mekong River from Nakhon Phanom in Isan is essentially the same strain as is grown in Thailand

there are parts of Laos where a distinct different strains is grown - for example in Vientiane Province; this is rather different from the typical 'Thai' variety... it is the type Real Seed Co sold as 'Mekong'

similarly further north into Laos up in Luang Prabang a different cultivar prevails

but the point is that the major historic growing region of Thailand - which is along the Mekong in Isan from Nong Khai down to Nakhon Phanom - is ethnically Lao... in fact it is the heartland of Lao culture, along both banks of the Mekong River

in Isan and Central Laos they grow essentially the same type of plant

Well I love Laos and the people but their Cannabis is not as good as the best Thai, no way. It is not exactly the same, similar but not as good.
-SamS

 

[Siever]

Sam,

do you think an insider would be able to find same '70ies era quality ganja in Thailand or would it be impossible for them too?

Siever

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

An insider to what? What is an insider?
Someone that is a serious Cannabis user?
A local that lives there and is a smoker?
Some local in the trade of quality herb?
I went there first in the early-mid-70's and it was easy to find.
It started to change in the later 70's because of the DEA.
By the late 80's it was rare.
Later I went more recently and it was basically gone, (still had leafy seeded sticks, of unknown origin and poor quality) the best smoke I could find was homegrown by Westerners, and it was often hybrids of local X Dutch genes.
I doubt the locals and westerners would be growing if it was easy like before to get great Cannabis, cheap then by the way. About $100 a Kg by the sticks in bricks of 20 sticks, no seeds, no leaf, great Cannabis. They only cost .25-50 cents a stick in Bangkok in the early 70's, just call the floor roomboy in your hotel, and he delivered then to your room.
Very civilized, and not like today....
-SamS

 

[99%]

I have produced millions of tropical landrace seeds, they germinate in 24 hours and are as quick germinating as any.
-SamS

You're right, but he was probably talking about germinating seed from bag seed bought in Thailand.

 

[99%]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bush Dr View Post
All the Thai sticks back in the 1970's had seeds and male flowers, they were known to be capable of flowering for up to 20 months and grow to over 25 ft, so that was probably the closest to the real thing as you're likely to get

Back then all weed had seeds in and lots of twigs

Not true, not all had seeds and male flowers.
In Thailand I went through many Kgs by hand with a screen to find just a few seeds to take home. A few per Kg.
-SamS

From the early 80's onward in Thailand I can't remember ever coming across any seedless Thai. I took seeds home and grew them out, most were just ok ~ not bad, but one in 50 or so would have an exceptionally strong trippy high.

 

[99%]

An insider to what? What is an insider?
Someone that is a serious Cannabis user?
A local that lives there and is a smoker?
Some local in the trade of quality herb?
I went there first in the early-mid-70's and it was easy to find.
It started to change in the later 70's because of the DEA.
By the late 80's it was rare.
Later I went more recently and it was basically gone, (still had leafy seeded sticks, of unknown origin and poor quality) the best smoke I could find was homegrown by Westerners, and it was often hybrids of local X Dutch genes.
I doubt the locals and westerners would be growing if it was easy like before to get great Cannabis, cheap then by the way. About $100 a Kg by the sticks in bricks of 20 sticks, no seeds, no leaf, great Cannabis. They only cost .25-50 cents a stick in Bangkok in the early 70's, just call the floor roomboy in your hotel, and he delivered then to your room.
Very civilized, and not like today....
-SamS

A film maker needs to make a documentary of your life Sam, ideally it would be just you sitting down talking to a camera relating past travels, discoveries, breeding etc interspersed with gardens, hash, souvineers etc

 

[ozza]

I think we have in Oz land many inbred genetics from Thai background. Many of the old school bush growers have seed lines that they have been using and just making seeds or using the seed they find from hermies or unpicked males. I believe a lot of these are from Thai seeds originally. Especially the big ones.

 

[Siever]

Sam,

I meant a local who smokes.
Too bad the DEA ruined everything.

 

[Mustafunk]

As well I also collected more seeds in Thailand, more north, more south, and in Laos in Vientiane, Luang Prabang, and elsewhere. The Cannabis grown in Laos was similar but not quite the same, not as good. I grew massive amounts of all of them in my greenhouse.

Today the big production is in Laos and it is not as good as the Thai in the 70's around Sakon Nakhon was before the trade was dismantled by DEA pressure.

I've also ready about that a few times. Perhaps it's possible that those northern Lao, Vietnam and Thai strains were more related to the Broad Leaf Hemp genepool (Chinensis) rather than the ganja NLDs originated in South India? Thus, the different aspect of those landraces in contrast with the thin leaf ganja strains found in S. India, Cambodia, South Vietnam, Indonesia and so on.

Down to the south, it seems that Cambodia is still a big producer as well. What's your experience with heirloom Cambodian NLDs?

I'm yet to sprout a few old Cambodian, Thai and Vietnamese seeds, so I can have a better idea about the differences among them. It's a shame that most of those high grade strains are gone nowadays. Gone but never forgotten!

Thai'79 by old OG member 20'Thai, sourced and preserved from some 1979 Thai Sticks smuggled into Hawaii, nice and pretty fast plant although this one apparently has a narcotic effect, not the trippy clean high that connoisseurs are looking for:

Vibes.

 

[true grit]

Was gifted some Gold King 79 thai stick x D haze recently. Supposedly completely opposite of whats expected. Short, stocky drug variety thai vs 20ft trees.

Also was gifted a few thai stick beans straight from person who saved em...we shall see.

 

[Thule]

Perhaps it's possible that those northern Lao, Vietnam and Thai strains were more related to the Broad Leaf Hemp genepool (Chinensis) rather than the ganja NLDs originated in South India? Thus, the different aspect of those landraces in contrast with the thin leaf ganja strains found in S. India, Cambodia, South Vietnam, Indonesia and so on.

I think that's exactly the case and could explain a lot of the diversity we're seeing. I don't know why Thai is often quoted as being a typical extreme NLD variety when most of the strains I've encountered have quite wide leaves and robust structure.

I wish we knew more about Burmese strains, they're reputed to be "indicas" in the Dutch nomenclature but they're by far the most elusive out of the SE Asian group and thus a big question mark. Having seen strains from both the Indian (Manipur) and Thai border of Burma they both show characteristics similar to Chinensis like wider leaves so it's not hard to imagine Burmese strains being similar.

The Meao Thai can also have wide leaves and we know the Hmong people came from China. Cambodian on the other hand has had massive influence from India over the millenia and the old strains have extemely narrow leaves. I have a bunch of Mekong Haze seeds gifted by Ed Borg that have failed to sprout, I could pass some of those to Sam for dna testing to shed some light on the situation.